2023/2024 Gold Coast Draft & Trade periods

[Iva Bigun]

Sounds promising.

If we want a pick between 10 and 20 that would have to be the blues first rounder next year, yet Ralph talks on the same tweet about a future second, which would be more likely in the 35 to 40 range once father son and Academy picks are all in.

personally I think we’re mad If we let him go still contracted for a pick in the 30s, I struggle to understand why we want to give competitors a leg up. but hey what do I know

 

[Ben Drever]

All-Aus veteran denies Pies, picks Vic rival as next club; Sun race down to three: Trade Whispers

All-Aus veteran denies Pies, picks Vic rival; Sun race down to three: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

Chol now down to race of 3

“Suns will facilitate that trade”

Why we sound like we giving him away for free… unless we got something in the pipeline and need his cash

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

All-Aus veteran denies Pies, picks Vic rival as next club; Sun race down to three: Trade Whispers

All-Aus veteran denies Pies, picks Vic rival; Sun race down to three: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

Chol now down to race of 3

“Suns will facilitate that trade”

Why we sound like we giving him away for free… unless we got something in the pipeline and need his cash

F2 from north vs F2 from Hawthorn. Probably not a lot in it. No need to be dicks either way, let Chol get the best deal he can.

 

[KaySwizzle]

F2 from north vs F2 from Hawthorn. Probably not a lot in it. No need to be dicks either way, let Chol get the best deal he can.

Yay! Two teams below us get a ready made forward while we get a future something or other.

Maybe it’s because I know who our picks will be on draft night, but it’s really hard to get excited for this trade period from a Sun’s perspective.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Yay! Two teams below us get a ready made forward while we get a future something or other.

Maybe it’s because I know who our picks will be on draft night, but it’s really hard to get excited for this trade period from a Sun’s perspective.

Yes it certainly makes the draft period dull when you know which players it will be. Being glass half full though, the other 17 clubs would swap with us in a heartbeat to get Walter/Read/Rogers/Graham.

Not sure Chol is a big loss either, handy player to have but not a difference maker. If he gets a move and a longer contract/more money it's hard to deny him that.

 

[KaySwizzle]

Yes it certainly makes the draft period dull when you know which players it will be. Being glass half full though, the other 17 clubs would swap with us in a heartbeat to get Walter/Read/Rogers/Graham.

Not sure Chol is a big loss either, handy player to have but not a difference maker. If he gets a move and a longer contract/more money it's hard to deny him that.

I agree that Chol can be covered (even though I like him a lot).

I just want some accountability.

We make sure our players are paid well, then ship them off when we can’t afford it or no longer suits us. We give them long contracts and promise the world but deliver nothing.

I want Chol to be given a chance—all players should be. That goes for Sharp, Burgess, Moyle etc. but if they are under contract and other clubs are actually interested, then opposition clubs should have to front up so we get a reasonable deal.

I just don’t think any clubs take us seriously at the trade table and so take us for a ride instead. Of course other clubs are interested. We’ve got a history of trading out solid players for nothing!

Clubs like Collingwood can do this because they have the name to get players in other ways. We don’t seem to have that yet.

But it’s not even trade week and I’m a bit grumpy after two GF worth of partying on the weekend... So let’s just see how it all pans out

 

[swuzzlebubble]

If we want a pick between 10 and 20 that would have to be the blues first rounder next year, yet Ralph talks on the same tweet about a future second, which would be more likely in the 35 to 40 range once father son and Academy picks are all in.

It reads like he thinks a f2 would satisfy top 20 request but even if that's the assumed ask and offer it's a reasonable start.
But also amongst his replies he seems to agree/imply that a f2 might come from North re Fisher trade.
Overall I read it all as spitballing and looking to engage discussion re his article.

Therefore a bit of spitballing of my own...
We could potentially trade F2 and Fisher to North for F#20.
F#20 to GC for Hollands probably slightly overs?
Otherwise F1 & 16 for Hollands & 10?
That would assume keeping F#20 counts as a first rounder re the rules having traded F2.

 

[MarcLocksCrustySock]

Is it possible we're trying to move more cap to make the Dusty move without it costing us a young star?

 

[Ben Drever]

Could use Hollands and chols picks this year to add to other picks to use to trade in a player
Probably a Richmond player

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

It reads like he thinks a f2 would satisfy top 20 request but even if that's the assumed ask and offer it's a reasonable start.
But also amongst his replies he seems to agree/imply that a f2 might come from North re Fisher trade.
Overall I read it all as spitballing and looking to engage discussion re his article.

Therefore a bit of spitballing of my own...
We could potentially trade F2 and Fisher to North for F#20.
F#20 to GC for Hollands probably slightly overs?
Otherwise F1 & 16 for Hollands & 10?
That would assume keeping F#20 counts as a first rounder re the rules having traded F2.

Hollands and F2 for Carltons F1?

 

[KaySwizzle]

Is it possible we're trying to move more cap to make the Dusty move without it costing us a young star?

The Dusty talk has dried up. I’d be surprised if it was this year. Very surprised (but wouldn’t hate it. Get that media boost rolling again!)

Would love something else to be in the works. We have a few extra picks floating around once we trade pick 4, especially if we trade out Chol, Hollands, Burgess and Sharp to cover points. Some teams must need picks (E.g Port Adelaide) or list spots.

But if we just get to 95% of cap this year and move money around for King then I guess it’s ok, even if it’s the bare minimum. We’re not in a worse list position in terms of best 22. Depth might be hit though.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Could use Hollands and chols picks this year to add to other picks to use to trade in a player
Probably a Richmond player

Who from Richmond is worth getting do you think?

I only see Bolton and Balta. The rest are new signings, too young, or too old.

(Assuming not Dusty, as that seems to have been ruled out this year).

 

[Jirik13]

I want Chol to be given a chance

You think he did not get a chance? He played the whole season in 2022. Burgess? He played most of the season when Witts went down.

I think it comes does to assessing players. Are they in future plans? This is affected by how players develop, who we drafted. It was always on the card we will not keep all. Like Hollands, no chance he can make midfied, IMO, now with Flanders having a breakthrough and Humphrey being unbelievable talent.

Personally, I would keep Chol for one more year as depth while Walter develops. I guess Casboult and Day are much cheaper depth.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

I agree that Chol can be covered (even though I like him a lot).

I just want some accountability.

We make sure our players are paid well, then ship them off when we can’t afford it or no longer suits us. We give them long contracts and promise the world but deliver nothing.

I want Chol to be given a chance—all players should be. That goes for Sharp, Burgess, Moyle etc. but if they are under contract and other clubs are actually interested, then opposition clubs should have to front up so we get a reasonable deal.

I just don’t think any clubs take us seriously at the trade table and so take us for a ride instead. Of course other clubs are interested. We’ve got a history of trading out solid players for nothing!

Clubs like Collingwood can do this because they have the name to get players in other ways. We don’t seem to have that yet.

But it’s not even trade week and I’m a bit grumpy after two GF worth of partying on the weekend... So let’s just see how it all pans out

Yeah that's fair enough.

Re: Chol - have to remember players like him need to maximise their earnings. Its a short career and it can end quickly with injury. If he can get a 4 year contract at North/Hawthorn then fair play to him. He has two years left at the Suns and could easily get delisted then with Walter/Read/maybe Nancarrow all joining and going past him.

From what I've read it's not the club pushing him out though, more Chol looking for opportunity. Happy to be corrected though if there is better info.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Hollands and F2 for Carltons F1?

Could be of interest especially if it makes sense from a 2024 bids perspective..

 

[KaySwizzle]

You think he did not get a chance? He played the whole season in 2022. Burgess? He played most of the season when Witts went down.

I think it comes does to assessing players. Are they in future plans?

Didn’t get much of a chance this year, after a stellar year in his first season with us. Could have gotten a fairer look I reckon, but that’s just me.

I meant all players should be given a chance to be best 22. If we don’t see him as that, then he should be given that chance to explore that at another club.

But we also have the power to keep him and should get the best deal for us. Contracts go both ways… Suns need to be ruthless, but not stupid.

 

[Jirik13]

Didn’t get much of a chance this year, after a stellar year in his first season with us. Could have gotten a fairer look I reckon, but that’s just me.

I meant all players should be given a chance to be best 22. If we don’t see him as that, then he should be given that chance to explore that at another club.

But we also have the power to keep him and should get the best deal for us. Contracts go both ways… Suns need to be ruthless, but not stupid.

Basically, I agree with everything you said just think Chol and Burgess got plenty opportunities and so Hollands. Chol started the season and was hopeless. I guess just a different view. Moyle got 2 games and is still some way off, but I was disappointed he did not get a couple more games late in the season. Blaming coach King

 

[GC2015]

All-Aus veteran denies Pies, picks Vic rival as next club; Sun race down to three: Trade Whispers

All-Aus veteran denies Pies, picks Vic rival; Sun race down to three: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

Chol now down to race of 3

“Suns will facilitate that trade”

Why we sound like we giving him away for free… unless we got something in the pipeline and need his cash

Something must be going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of. We seem far too determined to trade away our leading goalkicker from last year that's contracted for another two seasons. Dimma made it clear in his presser that he will be involved in list management and I just find it incredibly hard to believe that he would be so willing to give up guys like Chol and Hollands unless there's a bigger ploy at hand to land the "big fish" that Damien Barrett alluded to last week.

 

[Jirik13]

Something must be going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of. We seem far too determined to trade away our leading goalkicker from last year that's contracted for another two seasons. Dimma made it clear in his presser that he will be involved in list management and I just find it incredibly hard to believe that he would be so willing to give up guys like Chol and Hollands unless there's a bigger ploy at hand to land the "big fish" that Damien Barrett alluded to last week.

I very much doubt a big fish is coming this offseason. Questions is - Is Chol and Hollands in the best 22? It looks like they are not in Dimma's 80% .

Walter, Read, Rogers, Graham seems unbelievable result this offseason.

 

[KaySwizzle]

Something must be going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of. We seem far too determined to trade away our leading goalkicker from last year that's contracted for another two seasons. Dimma made it clear in his presser that he will be involved in list management and I just find it incredibly hard to believe that he would be so willing to give up guys like Chol and Hollands unless there's a bigger ploy at hand to land the "big fish" that Damien Barrett alluded to last week.

I’ll believe it when I see it. Looks more like Suns getting rid of all players that cost more than 400k and aren’t best 22 to get minimal returns for future picks (pretty standard stuff).

Would be over the moon if it was though. We were promised players. This year is as good a year as any Maybe the Dimma effect will come through immediately…

We’ll probably try and get some moneball plays (that rarely pay off) with late picks and delisted agents to be cheaper alternatives.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Something must be going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of. We seem far too determined to trade away our leading goalkicker from last year that's contracted for another two seasons. Dimma made it clear in his presser that he will be involved in list management and I just find it incredibly hard to believe that he would be so willing to give up guys like Chol and Hollands unless there's a bigger ploy at hand to land the "big fish" that Damien Barrett alluded to last week.

Why does it need to the club "determined to trade away" Chol?

Maybe he doesn't think he'll play much and is pushing the move?

Hollands probably similar situation. They are looking at the players set to join and wondering how much they will play. And both would be right to be concerned imo.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Something must be going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of. We seem far too determined to trade away our leading goalkicker from last year that's contracted for another two seasons. Dimma made it clear in his presser that he will be involved in list management and I just find it incredibly hard to believe that he would be so willing to give up guys like Chol and Hollands unless there's a bigger ploy at hand to land the "big fish" that Damien Barrett alluded to last week.

Wouldn’t that be fantastic, to have a gun say they want to come to the Suns., we can live in hope

 

[Iva Bigun]

Why does it need to the club "determined to trade away" Chol?

Maybe he doesn't think he'll play much and is pushing the move?

Hollands probably similar situation. They are looking at the players set to join and wondering how much they will play. And both would be right to be concerned imo.

Agree, both are likely to struggle unless there are injuries. They are both quality depth and contracted so hopefully we get a good return if we let them go

 

[KaySwizzle]

Walter, Read, Rogers, Graham seems unbelievable result this offseason.

It is an unbelievable result. I just don’t think it’s a result that makes us better until 2025 at earliest…

It’s a big haul for the club. It’s just a normal result for us though—top draft picks and no top players. It’s the distant future, not 2024.

Basically we are offloading depth/cap, (at least that’s how it seems so far) and hoping a new coach is the only thing that held is back as a club + internal growth.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Wouldn’t that be fantastic, to have a gun say they want to come to the Suns., we can live in hope

Who would you like to sign? Let's say the Suns make the 8 next year. Who's worth looking at, as these moves are often 12-18 months in the planning.

IMO the 3 holes in the list are KPD, classy half back, and gun small/medium forward. I'd have Dimma in Shai Boltons ear for the next 12 months personally.