Game Day 2023 AFL Draft - The Late Male Edition

[anchor man]

IMO they should get a team out of Victoria and hopefully the Roos remain s**t and it's an easy decision.

Too late for that to happen. Should have happened back in 86 when the EAgles and Bears signed to join the broke VFL.
WA and the Bears should have stood with SA and held the VFL to ransom.

 

[Superkoops]

Agree overall I think the MSD is really another rookie draft and it’s value is slightly overrated but you missed the best one of all so far - Jai Newcombe. He’s looking like a 250 game inside midfielder at this stage.
North picked edwards ahead of him - another stuff up by Norf

Forgot about Newcombe. You could argue he is mature age. Was 2 months shy of turning 20 when selected in the MSD.

John Noble just turned 22.

Ryan Gardiner was 21 and about to turn 22.

Snell, who has now been delisted but played around 60games for Essendon was around 21/22 when selected as well.

That seems to be the sweet spot those a couple of years out of draft age. Sam Clohessy has now been picked up by GCS but I’d imagine he would be the perfect sort of addition come May/June MSD. If the MSD had been around a little earlier Tim Kelly at around 22/23 would have been a perfect addition.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Gold Coast are a bit unique I guess. 11 top ten picks on the list right now. It’s absolutely ****ed really.
A pick 27 (Sharp) to them is just a nothing pick, an afterthought.

We are here salivating over our picks 35, 41 and 60.
Different planet entirely.
I’m happy with the 2 year rookie deal for sharp on minimum chips. He gets a fair chance here to show it he’s up to it without is committing too much to him.
If he has a really good season next year and plays most games he will get a deserved extension at the end of his first year.

By my calculations we’re not doing too bad with top 10 picks either:

Brayshaw
Serong
Young
Jackson
Brodie
Erasmus
Amiss
JOM

 

[nurries]

By my calculations we’re not doing too bad with top 10 picks either:

Brayshaw
Serong
Young
Jackson
Brodie
Erasmus
Amiss
JOM

Sturt?

 

[pK75]

One of them will cease to exist when Tasmania joins... that's why guess.

It may even be both. Whichever performs worse the next two seasons is removed or merged.

As soon as Clarkson was appointed coach I had a suspicion they would be relocating to Tas, he was their spokesperson for the team while in his year of paid leave from coaching, strongly lobbying the AFL and federal politicians for funding. I doubt he’d go to the Roos for 4 years then up and leave once Tas team starts up.
Part of me also hopes the handouts North are getting now are designed to not completely compromise the draft for 2-3 years when the Tas team does start up like it was for GWS and GC.

Edit: they are playing 5 games in Tas in 2024, 4 home games in Hobart plus an away game against the Hawks in Launceston.

 

[freo_leo29]

Sturt?

pick 17

 

[malpaso]

This sounds like complete nonsense. You are basically saying Dew deliberately left a best 22 player out of his team for the entire season? Therefore consciously making the team weaker?

Even though he was under IMMENSE pressure to get wins and save his job? Think about it for a minute.

Yeah, nah.

It's not nonsense and plenty of coaches do that. Why would you play a player that you know is gone at the end of the year? Also, Dew didn't seem to give two shits about who he played on the wing, didn't rate the position at all.

 

[theGav56]

Sturt?

Not top 10, but a first rounder as was Clark.

 

[Superkoops]

By my calculations we’re not doing too bad with top 10 picks either:

Brayshaw
Serong
Young
Jackson
Brodie
Erasmus
Amiss
JOM

You can add James Aish (pick 7) to that list.

We just traded a couple recently in Logue (8) and Henry (9).

Additional first rounders (not top 10)
Chapman (14), Clark (15), Sturt (17)

 

[Piggy Smalls]

You can add James Aish (pick 7) to that list.

We just traded a couple recently in Logue (8) and Henry (9).

Additional first rounders (not top 10)
Chapman (14), Clark (15), Sturt (17)

I had a nagging thought there may have been another.

9 top ten picks is exceptional. We should really be contending within 1-2 years, especially with the three 10-20 picks you mentioned plus astute pick ups such as Darcy, Ryan, Cox, Pearce, Johnson (how he slid to the second round I’ll never know).

 

[ROGS]

I think you can compare Logan to Josh Kennedy, and that comparison is very good for McDonald.

No offence but i think you need an appointment at Specsavers, he is not even close to JK in ability

 

[Taylor]

Thats how the mafia coaches their soldiers...?

Shhhh

 

[estibador]

No offence but i think you need an appointment at Specsavers, he is not even close to JK in ability

Neither was JK in his first few years.

 

[Taylor]

No offence but i think you need an appointment at Specsavers, he is not even close to JK in ability

Are you comparing them at the same age or holding the peak JK transparency over Logan?

 

[ubiquitous226]

I had a nagging thought there may have been another.

9 top ten picks is exceptional. We should really be contending within 1-2 years, especially with the three 10-20 picks you mentioned plus astute pick ups such as Darcy, Ryan, Cox, Pearce, Johnson (how he slid to the second round I’ll never know).

I think it's too early to make a big call on the 2021 draft, but it looks relatively strong in the first round thus far.

Top 10 - JHF, S Darcy, Callaghan, Daicos, M Andrew, Rachele, Ward, Amiss, Gibcus, Erasmus
From that I wouldn't put Johnson ahead of many of them at all, although the talls it's still very hard to tell.
Erasmus probably the only one clearly so far, but plenty of time for it to go either way.

Next 10 - Wanganeen-Milera, Sinn, Hobbs, Chesser, Aleer, Wilmot, T Brown, Sheldrick, Van Rooyen, Lohmann
The next 10 there's definitely an argument for quite a few; from my view only Wanganeen-Milera, Sheldrick and Van Rooyen clearly ahead.
Brisbane's picks have looked pretty good, I'd put them on a similar level.

I wasn't immediately on the Johnson bandwagon but I liked some of the signs this year.
Hope he continues to develop and Erasmus shows what he's capable of as well.

I guess the long-winded point I was trying to make is it doesn't look like a horrendous call from other recruiters - yet.

 

[King Huskii]

Are you comparing them at the same age or holding the peak JK transparency over Logan?

What's the point in comparing both players to JK early years?

 

[Wray27]

Sturt?

Aish

 

[Taylor]

What's the point in comparing both players to JK early years?

Because we are buying Logan prior to his best football, not on what he already provides. JK took a long time to become the player he ended up being

 

[King Huskii]

Because we are buying Logan prior to his best football, not on what he already provides. JK took a long time to become the player he ended up being

You can say that about hundreds of young footballers

 

[Ysaye]

If you compared them at the same point in their career, you would take McDonald 32 goals in his third season over Kennedy 7 goals in his third season. Or averages McDonald 1.7 goals per game versus Kennedy 1 goal a game.

 

[arsesmart]

It's not nonsense and plenty of coaches do that. Why would you play a player that you know is gone at the end of the year? Also, Dew didn't seem to give two shits about who he played on the wing, didn't rate the position at all.

It may be that he was stunted where he was, but Sharp, even in his best games to date, looked like he needed to develop a lot to hold his spot in that team.

 

[Lach72]

No offence but i think you need an appointment at Specsavers, he is not even close to JK in ability

McDonald is in front of Kennedy at the same time

 

[serial_thrilla]

I think it's too early to make a big call on the 2021 draft, but it looks relatively strong in the first round thus far.

Top 10 - JHF, S Darcy, Callaghan, Daicos, M Andrew, Rachele, Ward, Amiss, Gibcus, Erasmus
From that I wouldn't put Johnson ahead of many of them at all, although the talls it's still very hard to tell.
Erasmus probably the only one clearly so far, but plenty of time for it to go either way.

Next 10 - Wanganeen-Milera, Sinn, Hobbs, Chesser, Aleer, Wilmot, T Brown, Sheldrick, Van Rooyen, Lohmann
The next 10 there's definitely an argument for quite a few; from my view only Wanganeen-Milera, Sheldrick and Van Rooyen clearly ahead.
Brisbane's picks have looked pretty good, I'd put them on a similar level.

I wasn't immediately on the Johnson bandwagon but I liked some of the signs this year.
Hope he continues to develop and Erasmus shows what he's capable of as well.

I guess the long-winded point I was trying to make is it doesn't look like a horrendous call from other recruiters - yet.

I think the Johnson vs Chesser comparison will be the most important one going forward.

 

[serial_thrilla]

It's always fun to take pot shots at those stupid "post draft ratings" that happen around now. This article sums it up nicely:

The Four-Year Draft Grades - 2019 - The Mongrel Punt

It's been four years since the 2019 AFL Draft and its time to assess how the clubs performed. Forget the immediate grades. They're rubbish

themongrelpunt.com

 

[blue shark]

If you compared them at the same point in their career, you would take McDonald 32 goals in his third season over Kennedy 7 goals in his third season. Or averages McDonald 1.7 goals per game versus Kennedy 1 goal a game.

I like Logan, but this stat is misleading somewhat. In his first 3 years Kennedy
hardly played at the top level.
In 2006 the Blues were bottom feeders, in 2008 WC were wooden spooners so
the delivery, gameplan, coaching is not equal.
Kennedy ended up around 99kg, Logan has a long way to go yet.
Sure he is worth a first and second round IMO, but two firsts is a reach.