Analysis 2023 All Australian Team Awards Night

[Back One Out]

Everyone knows they could play but I think people conflate their ‘flair’ with how consistently good they actually were.

what I mean is everyone knows how good they were but it doesn't get celebrated as much as it should.

I'm really struggling to think of players who were more highly lauded for their skills and more universally appreciated by the football world than those two.

Buddy. Gazza. Maybe Cyril (if you ignore all the haters from Geelong).

Big Footy never fails to make me laugh. Some of the stuff people post.
It's like I'm living in some weird alternate reality where up is down and night is day.

 

[Mr Meow]

I think most fair minded people would say Larkey stole Martin's spot and Josh Daicos stole Liberatore's spot.

Not according to the team the fans voted on.

I guess only Richmond supporters are fair minded.

 

[TheOptimum18]

Langford only played a couple as that key target, he was a HF and if it wasn’t the two mids it would have been him. If you are playing specialist forward you need 40 plus goals and especially this year with players in the 70’s, and your small forward captain has 60+. Forwards need to kick goals or they need to be mids that play a portion forward.

You kick 25 goals you should never make a side as a forward don’t care how many possessions. You might as well pick Miers.

After thinking on it, I would actually agree with the goals thing if we're talking about KPF, but we're not in this case.

I'll trust you on the Langford stuff, but I've only heard of Langford kicking goals when he played as the KPF, rather than as a general forward/half forward.

The other side of the argument not being had here for a forward is the score involvement argument, but I honestly cgaf making that argument.

 

[Mr Magic]

Nick was better than Dustin this year but Josh wasn't.

politics.

See I would have Nick half back, Trac in the guts, Dusty on Bench.

Merrett can play wing easy, even put Nick on the wing.

I think Josh would have got there eventually but this years perhaps premature and because brother in to. Nick will be AA probably for years

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Nick was better than Dustin this year but Josh wasn't.

The experts have spoken

 

[Mr Meow]

After thinking on it, I would actually agree with the goals thing if we're talking about KPF, but we're not in this case.

I'll trust you on the Langford stuff, but I've only heard of Langford kicking goals when he played as the KPF, rather than as a general forward/half forward.

The other side of the argument not being had here for a forward is the score involvement argument, but I honestly cgaf making that argument.

If it was score/goal involvements-based then Miers and Langford would both be in ahead of Martin and so would Bolton. And so would everyone who was picked as a forward in the team, as well as Larkey.

 

[TheOptimum18]

But mine is that as a forward you'd want to either:

1-be ahead of a lot, if not all, of those players for goals.
2-create more goals than any other player. The hype if Martin had 40 goal assists would be insane.
3-be high on that coaches vote leaderboard AND elite for score involvements like Petracca and Rozee.

Your general forwards each year in the AA team are going to be hitting at least one of those categories. 1 and 3 being the most important ones based on this year.

1 - If we're talking about KPF, yes.
2 - I would have Miers on the bench purely because of the GA
3 - Martin has 6 less total score involvements than Rozee and averages an extra 0.7 over the season. Also, don't know why the coaches votes are important here (actually, no, I do know. It's the only way to make this third point valid to Rozee but not Martin).

 

[LukeParkerno1]

The experts have spoken

They finally pick two wingers and people whinge

 

[Ichiro #51]

A good team this year. Pretty much bang on. A couple of notes; Darcy Moore

30

Darcy Moore

Age

28

Ht

203cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

169.1

3star

D

13.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

0.7

1star

MG

182.0

3star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

87.4

2star

is an extremely weird Lurch looking campaigner, and I never realized what a good looking fellow Connor Rozee

1

Connor Rozee

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.6

5star

CL

1.0

3star

D

12.8

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.3

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

1.6

4star

D

16.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

8.4

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

0.8

3star

is. Dreamy.

 

[Fadge]

1 - If we're talking about KPF, yes.
2 - I would have Miers on the bench purely because of the GA
3 - Martin has 6 less total score involvements than Rozee and averages an extra 0.7 over the season. Also, don't know why the coaches votes are important here (actually, no, I do know. It's the only way to make this third point valid to Rozee but not Martin).

Sorry, we forgot.

Coaches votes are only important when debating Martin's unprecedented 2017 season, and Gary Ayres Medals.

 

[TheOptimum18]

Sorry, we forgot.

Coaches votes are only important when debating Martin's unprecedented 2017 season, and Gary Ayres Medals.

But the relevance to selection for an AA spot is...?

You realise your comment only makes sense if I also make the same argument that you're suggesting, right? (which I haven't)

 

[Fadge]

The experts have spoken

Josh is now only 3 AA jumpers behind Dusty.

What year do you reckon he will catch him?

 

[Mr Meow]

1 - If we're talking about KPF, yes.
2 - I would have Miers on the bench purely because of the GA
3 - Martin has 6 less total score involvements than Rozee and averages an extra 0.7 over the season. Also, don't know why the coaches votes are important here (actually, no, I do know. It's the only way to make this third point valid to Rozee but not Martin).

I think Miers needed at least an extra 10 goals to go with his million assists to contend for the 22 but I thought his season was squad worthy.

Martin had 5 extra behinds than Rozee so take those out of "productive score involvements" for starters. 7th in coaches votes and 9th in score involvements is top tier. I'm not sure many midfielders in history would have missed the team with that 1-2 combo.

 

[Forward Press]

So where did Dusty end up position wise?

All the Richmond fans have been saying he's a lock so I assume he made it

Left right out.

 

[RAPPA]

there’s always one that gets in as a legacy based on historical performances. This year, it’s Stewart.

 

[Fadge]

Nick was better than Dustin this year but Josh wasn't.

Avatar bet on Brownlow votes.

Dusty gets more than Josh, I have a Dusty Avatar for the week after the Brownlow count.

Josh gets more votes than Dusty, you have a Josh Avatar for a week after the Brownlow count.

Deal?

 

[TheOptimum18]

I think Miers needed at least an extra 10 goals to go with his million assists to contend for the 22 but I thought his season was squad worthy.

Martin had 5 extra behinds than Rozee so take those out of "productive score involvements" for starters. 7th in coaches votes and 9th in score involvements is top tier. I'm not sure many midfielders in history would have missed the team with that 1-2 combo.

Miers gets in (for me) because 41 GA over a season is a statistical anomoly (and like I've suggested earlier, I think it's fair to include players in awards such as the AA if they have some significant statistical anomoly).

And also like I've said earlier, Rozee's season this year is very similar to his season last year, but because Port have done well this year compared to last year, Rozee's performances are then elevated because the team success elevates his own personal performances.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

They selected 7 forwards. 3x full forwards Walker and Larkey didn't deserve it imo 2 x mids Rozzee and Petracc. 2x genuine forwards C..Cameron and Toby Greene

4

Toby Greene

Age

31

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

.
So no spot for a medium forward at all.

 

[adammania9]

Tom Hawkins has kicked more the 7 goals in a game only once in over 300 games and they made him captain.

How many times has Dusty?

 

[BuddysBiggestFan]

Didn’t Sam Taylor

15

Sam Taylor

Age

25

Ht

198cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

130.5

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.5

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

60.8

1star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.8

5star

MG

110.8

2star

have a better year than Tom Stewart?

 

[Mr Meow]

Miers gets in (for me) because 41 GA over a season is a statistical anomoly (and like I've suggested earlier, I think it's fair to include players in awards such as the AA if they have some significant statistical anomoly).

And also like I've said earlier, Rozee's season this year is very similar to his season last year, but because Port have done well this year compared to last year, Rozee's performances are then elevated because the team success elevates his own personal performances.

The way I see it is that Port's 3 AAs have been a massive reason for them being a contender. Take them out and Port would have no chance against any team in the 8. They've each been outstanding.

A fairly similar story with Petracca and Viney for Melbourne this season during Oliver's absence.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Any selection committee with Kane Cornes on it should have an asterix.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Didn’t Sam Taylor have a better year than Tom Stewart?

Yes he did

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

I'm really struggling to think of players who were more highly lauded for their skills and more universally appreciated by the football world than those two.

Buddy. Gazza. Maybe Cyril (if you ignore all the haters from Geelong).

Big Footy never fails to make me laugh. Some of the stuff people post.
It's like I'm living in some weird alternate reality where up is down and night is day.

Probably one of the hypocritical posts I’ve seen on Bigfooty.
You’ve smashed others for being from an alternate reality and then mentioned Cyril Rioli in the same sentence, or in any type of comparison to Buddy & Gazza……
Absolute gold.

 

[dean33]

Funny people put so much credence on a team picked by the likes of Kane Cornes and Laura Kane. Weird.