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its pretty incredible blaisee posts the same baits year on year and the same posters eat it up over and over again
Analysis 2023 All Australian Team Awards Night
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267Hacksaw
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Has he been better than the following: Greene, Langford, Petracca, Rozee, Curnow, Walker, Charlie Cameron as a genuine small, Jez Cameron. No, then he doesn't make it.
And no, he hasn't been better than any of them. Good year still
more like, just play 15 games and you will get in the AA team regardless if there are others better
You mean like Tom Stewart?
Stewart should not have made the team last year ahead of sicily , and that is a fact
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yeah probs, loved what he was doing when playing, was doing a lot of heavy lifting for you guys before your turn around
Elmer_Hauser
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Oh no doubt, would be well ahead in our B and F count before he got injured.
Other than Greene, Petracca and Curnow, Walker he has had a better year.
No doubt about it, also if you could choose a player out of the rest, to play mid/fwd , dusty would be picked every day of the week, and twice on Sundays ahead of
Langford
Rozee
Cameron
Anyone that does not think so, is kidding themselves , Langford, really, are you guys for real?
It's right there in my post.
267Hacksaw
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I'm picking Rozee on current form, been better in a better side. But it's who's had the better season. Langford has kicked 50 goals, and played a few games at half back. So yes, I am for real, he has been comfortably one of the best mid sized forwards this year.
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Langford hasn't been better than Dusty, there has been better in his position as key forward. I would argue the position Dusty has played no one has been better.
you belong on the AA selection committee, if you genuinely think that Langford should be an AA ahead of Dustin Martin.
Connor Rozee and Dustin Martin AFL Stats Comparison
Rozee
so for 2.6 possession extra per game, you are willing to miss out on
.5 goals
.7 SI
1.1 CP
.9 CM
Statistically this is doesn't add up, but I am sure there is some other unmeasurable reason why it makes sense to you
Like the famous "eye test", otherwise known as "cognitive dissonance"
Feel free to tear this apart, but anyone who doesn't post their 44 for propserity looks foolish doing so:
Initial squad of 44
19 mids/wingmen, 13 defenders, 10 forwards and 2 ruckmen picked last year as a reference point, so I've included the same amount:
Adelaide: Walker, Dawson
Brisbane: Neale, C.Cameron, Andrews, Daniher
Carlton: Curnow, Weitering, Newman
Collingwood: N.Daicos, J.Daicos, Moore, De Goey
Essendon: Merrett, Langford, N.Martin
Fremantle: Serong, Jackson, Ryan
Geelong: Stewart, Miers, J.Cameron
GWS: Greene, Taylor
Gold Coast: Anderson
Hawthorn: Sicily, Newcombe
Melbourne: Petracca, Viney, Gawn
North Melbourne: Larkey
Port Adelaide: Butters, Rozee, Houston, Allir
Richmond: Taranto, Bolton
St Kilda: Sinclair, Wilkie
Sydney: Gulden
West Coast: Allen
Western Bulldogs: Bontempelli, English, Liberatore
A few mids are here or there: Cerra, T.Kelly, Green, Laird or Dunkley could displace the fringe ones here.
10 forwards: Curnow, Walker, Greene, Larkey, Allen, Langford, C.Cameron, Daniher, J.Cameron and Miers. 4 full forwards, 2 CHF's and 4 mediums/smalls.
Hawkins, Martin, Pickett, Papley, Rankine, Naughton, Breust, Lukusious, Elliot and Finlayson would be in the next tier.
Curnow, Walker, Greene, Larkey and J.Cameron are going at 2.7 goals a game or above - it's pretty rare to miss out on the 44 with that scoring proficiency. Langford, C.Cameron, Allen and Daniher are all in the top 10.
The top 4 sides had 18 players in the 44 last season. Surely at least 15 make it this season (I've included this many) so some line ball calls will inevitably favour those teams.
Initial squad of 44
19 mids/wingmen, 13 defenders, 10 forwards and 2 ruckmen picked last year as a reference point, so I've included the same amount:
Adelaide: Walker, Dawson
Brisbane: Neale, C.Cameron, Andrews, Daniher
Carlton: Curnow, Weitering, Newman
Collingwood: N.Daicos, J.Daicos, Moore, De Goey
Essendon: Merrett, Langford, N.Martin
Fremantle: Serong, Jackson, Ryan
Geelong: Stewart, Miers, J.Cameron
GWS: Greene, Taylor
Gold Coast: Anderson
Hawthorn: Sicily, Newcombe
Melbourne: Petracca, Viney, Gawn
North Melbourne: Larkey
Port Adelaide: Butters, Rozee, Houston, Allir
Richmond: Taranto, Bolton
St Kilda: Sinclair, Wilkie
Sydney: Gulden
West Coast: Allen
Western Bulldogs: Bontempelli, English, Liberatore
A few mids are here or there: Cerra, T.Kelly, Green, Laird or Dunkley could displace the fringe ones here.
10 forwards: Curnow, Walker, Greene, Larkey, Allen, Langford, C.Cameron, Daniher, J.Cameron and Miers. 4 full forwards, 2 CHF's and 4 mediums/smalls.
Hawkins, Martin, Pickett, Papley, Rankine, Naughton, Breust, Lukusious, Elliot and Finlayson would be in the next tier.
Curnow, Walker, Greene, Larkey and J.Cameron are going at 2.7 goals a game or above - it's pretty rare to miss out on the 44 with that scoring proficiency. Langford, C.Cameron, Allen and Daniher are all in the top 10.
The top 4 sides had 18 players in the 44 last season. Surely at least 15 make it this season (I've included this many) so some line ball calls will inevitably favour those teams.
Rozee has played every single game and been decisive in many of Port's close ones. He's top 10 in the coaches votes and especially for scoring metrics, totals rather than averages are the bread and butter of forwards picked in the AA side - Rozee has a few more score involvements, Martin has 4 more goals/assists. Rozee does it as a starting stoppage midfielder and that's why he gets in the best players most weeks. He has more than twice as many coaches votes as Martin.
eth-dog has a nice goal/assist table that should help you for the prolific forwards this season.
Rozee and Petracca as the mids in contention for the flanks are streets ahead.
267Hacksaw
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Oh
Rozee averages more
disposals
tackles
I50
clearances
R50
Metres gained
Tackles inside 50
Intercepts.
Is also 5th best player in the comp according to the coaches who.....shock....know more than us
Stats aside, he has helped his side win more than dusty has this year. That's a fact and realistically if he and Butters don't have the season they are then Port are where Richmond are.
we just picking whatever stats fit? Ok,
Rozee averages more
disposals
tackles
I50
clearances
R50
Metres gained
Tackles inside 50
Intercepts.
Is also 5th best player in the comp according to the coaches who.....shock....know more than us
Stats aside, he has helped his side win more than dusty has this year. That's a fact and realistically if he and Butters don't have the season they are then Port are where Richmond are.
50 goals and 19 assists in an average side as a medium is elite. I'm not sure how people can dispute that. 13th in the league for score involvements too. He has 2 more score involvements than Martin and 31 more goals/assists. It's not even close.
I think Dwayne did a good job. But I’d replace English with Marshall.
I’d also go Dawson, Merrett, Taranto, Serong on the bench
267Hacksaw
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I hate the concept of 4 mids on the bench. Langford for mine is a lock, and I would find room for another defender. Probably in place of merrett and taranto
Yeah I could live with that. Maybe Taranto
I agree although this isn't quite as bad if two actual wingmen are on the wings and you have a full set of starting forwards. We know at least one mid will start on a forward flank so there probably should be a forward on the bench. Walker, Curnow, Greene, Langford, C.Cameron, Petracca and Rozee isn't a bad balance as I guess in a team with a loaded midfield you could argue Rozee/Petracca would split the last forward/mid role.
Elmer_Hauser
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Weitering over Taylor imo
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Rozee is in the team imo, but he plays more midfield than Martin ofc he averages more.
I wonder when the last time a midfielder or forward made the AA team without fulfilling at least one of these criteria:
-Top 20 for coaches votes
-Top 30 for goals
-Top 30 for goal assists
Surely you have to tick off one of these at a bare minimum.
Wojcinski
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scroll up a little and you're arguing against the use of stats to select AA's - surely you're not trying to cherry pick stats to support your case now? cmon man get it together, Martin doesn't belong within a parsec of the AA team this year LOL
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In regards to Martin making all aus team. You have to have an exceptional year to make it when your team doesn’t make finals.
