2023 Crowds and TV/Streaming

[BobbyMorri]

I’ll bite. Why should the Easter Monday game get a pass when it’s much less likely to generate a huge crowd than Geelong playing Collingwood at the G?

50% of Geelong home games against the Pies from 2007 onwards have been over 80k (4 from 8). A bigger factor than even the MCG contract, I would suggest.

Also, the solution to the MCG contract situation is to play all Collingwood home games at the G. That would free up away games to be played at other grounds, e.g. Docklands and KP.

The big beneficiaries of Collingwood’s MCG contract are Carlton, Essendon, Richmond, Melbourne and Hawthorn. These teams get a home game against Collingwood nearly every year, while St Kilda, North and the Bulldogs get 1 every 3 years at best.

I wasnt putting out bait.

To put it simply, Easter Monday is the marquee game for Geelong and that weekend. It is always on the fixture at a set time.

Geelong v Collingwood is just a normal match. Can happen anytime. Just because Collingwood is historically the biggest club should not be a factor in determining where they play. In any other comp in the world, that would not be a factor for someones elses home game.

In an ideal world, Collingwood wouldnt have that clause in their contract of the MCG and they would travel the same amount as Essendon, Richmond and Carlton to Tassie, Geelong, Carins Etc. They dont, and we know the reason why. It is unfair, but such is life.

 

[The_Wookie]

So because the AFL ****ed up the MCG contract to start with everyone outside Victoria should be thankful to Collingwood who allowed the AFL to * it up some more?

Novel take.

The AFL didnt HAVE to make concessions on a contract they signed in the 80s and were a known factor for the entire competition.

So yes.

 

[collingwood23]

My mate with general admission access just got an email from Collingwood that hawks vs pies is now a fully ticketed event. Very interesting

 

[Rob]

The AFL didnt HAVE to make concessions on a contract they signed in the 80s and were a known factor for the entire competition.

So yes.

They kinda did though, because it was a ball and chain around the league's neck.
But replacing one integrity issue with another one isn't something to be thankful for.

Late late 80s BTW. It was well on the road to a national competition then.

 

[magpiemaniac44]

My mate with general admission access just got an email from Collingwood that hawks vs pies is now a fully ticketed event. Very interesting

I got that for the Geelong game Rd22

 

[manicmagpie]

’ll bite back! Collingwood should be playing Geelong at GMHBA too. They should like any other club. It wouldn’t help Collingwood’s home and away attendance record aggregates (but would result in more meaningful comparisons to other clubs), but it would create more equity which is something the fixture fails on.

Apart from crowds which is of limited relevance in the real argument, it gives them an advantage on field which is more important to competitions equity.

Meh, if you switch our Geelong away fixture this year to KP we would literally still set a record attendance for the season.

Furthermore, if clubs played all their home games at their home ground and there was a truly random or rolling draw, Collingwood's attendances wouldn't change that much. Take this year, switch our games against North and Brisbane to the G and Geelong to KP and are we really worse off? The double ups are a mix of good (Carlton, Essendon, Geelong) and bad (Adelaide, Port, Brisbane), no reason to think it would be much different if random.

And crowds were not of 'limited relevance' as I was responding to someone who wanted Easter Monday exempt from KP because of crowds. I've no issue with Geelong getting all their games (including the Pies) at KP, but exempting teams because of crowd figures is exactly the reason Collingwood haven't been there since the 90s.

I support Geelong getting all their home games at their home ground as long as that privilege is extended to my club as well. People who support one but not the other (as many here seem to do), makes them as big a hypocrite as an English person talking about the spirit of cricket.

To put it simply, Easter Monday is the marquee game for Geelong and that weekend. It is always on the fixture at a set time.

Geelong v Collingwood is just a normal match. Can happen anytime. Just because Collingwood is historically the biggest club should not be a factor in determining where they play. In any other comp in the world, that would not be a factor for someones elses home game.

In an ideal world, Collingwood wouldnt have that clause in their contract of the MCG and they would travel the same amount as Essendon, Richmond and Carlton to Tassie, Geelong, Carins Etc. They dont, and we know the reason why. It is unfair, but such is life.

If your view is 'Geelong should play their home games in Geelong but with an exception because of strong crowds' then you're in agreement with the AFL's current position. As soon as you carve one exception out, the question has to be asked about another of their games that routinely attracts 80k.

Our current MCG contract only means that 5 of our away games have to be at the G. There's still 6 others that can go anywhere else, it's just convention that says 5 of them are for non-Vic teams and 1 is for a Docklands tenant. Difficult but not impossible to schedule one elsewhere if the AFL was so inclined.

But when it comes down to it it's only Geelong we're talking about. If the issue is - games should be where the home clubs want them to be - then only Geelong have actually been knocked back on this. Hawthorn/North/WB/Melbourne etc do not want nor do they ask for Collingwood games to be played in their regional venues because it would cost them money over playing at the MCG/Docklands. So it's hard to see why anyone would get upset when we then don't go there.

And as I said earlier, I'm all for Geelong being allowed to have all games at KP so long as Collingwood are also afforded the right to have our home games at our home ground.

By the way, I'm loving Essendon being presented as a martyr in all this. Prior to a couple of weeks ago, they hadn't had a single game (that wasn't moved for covid) in a regional venue for 30 years, and now they're making out they're a member of the oppressed masses.

 

[manicmagpie]

My mate with general admission access just got an email from Collingwood that hawks vs pies is now a fully ticketed event. Very interesting

I got that for the Geelong game Rd22

Ticketek seems to be showing no public tickets available for the Hawthorn game at the moment, which I'm not sure is right. Would be huge if true.

For the Geelong game there appears to be very little left if any.

In the AFL members, the Hawthorn game is a bit sluggish but should finish selling the front third of the top level soon, which puts it a bit ahead of our Adelaide game at the same time (ended up 65k but had less public tickets sold).

For the Geelong game, the AFL Members is already into the back third of the top level, so about 90% sold.

 

[collingwood23]

Ticketek seems to be showing no public tickets available for the Hawthorn game at the moment, which I'm not sure is right. Would be huge if true.

For the Geelong game there appears to be very little left if any.

In the AFL members, the Hawthorn game is a bit sluggish but should finish selling the front third of the top level soon, which puts it a bit ahead of our Adelaide game at the same time (ended up 65k but had less public tickets sold).

For the Geelong game, the AFL Members is already into the back third of the top level, so about 90% sold.

Doesn’t feel right that hawks vs pies could be fully ticketed. Could Collingwood potentially have made an error and sent my mate the wrong email?

 

[manicmagpie]

Doesn’t feel right that hawks vs pies could be fully ticketed. Could Collingwood potentially have made an error and sent my mate the wrong email?

Don’t know about that. Tickets are back on sale but there’s not many. Back of the top deck only.

 

[collingwood23]

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Don’t know about that. Tickets are back on sale but there’s not many. Back of the top deck only.

Still a lot to go though. Q1-11 have only gone up to row j while q54 and q55 still need to release the back rows of level 4. I doubt this game will sell out so what crowd can we expect, 75k?

 

[Colossal Snagger]

What is the record (or top 5) attendance for Carlton vs Melbourne? With the two likely to be coming off big winning streaks, surely next weekend's saturday night game will smash any previous record?

Two huge R22 games at the 'G with Pies vs Cats on the friday night.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

What is the record (or top 5) attendance for Carlton vs Melbourne? With the two likely to be coming off big winning streaks, surely next weekend's saturday night game will smash any previous record?

When Carlton or Melbourne are the home team:

• Round 5 1980 (Carlton vs Melbourne) = 60,794 at Waverley Park
• Round 11 1990 (Melbourne vs Carlton) = 59,782 at the MCG
• Round 22 2022 (Melbourne vs Carlton) = 55,705 at the MCG
• Round 16 2019 (Carlton vs Melbourne) = 55,593 at the MCG
• Round 18 1962 (Melbourne vs Carlton) = 54,264 at the MCG

When Carlton are the home team:

• Round 5 1980 (Carlton vs Melbourne) = 60,794 at Waverley Park
• Round 16 2019 (Carlton vs Melbourne) = 55,593 at the MCG
• Round 11 2010 (Carlton vs Melbourne) = 49,745 at the MCG
• Round 16 2017 (Carlton vs Melbourne) = 47,266 at the MCG
• Round 9 2018 (Carlton vs Melbourne) = 44,142 at the MCG

 

[The_Wookie]

They kinda did though, because it was a ball and chain around the league's neck.
But replacing one integrity issue with another one isn't something to be thankful for.

Late late 80s BTW. It was well on the road to a national competition then.

Government was forcing the issue in 1984 with the apparently very real threat to order the VFL Grand Final be held at the MCG. The contract was a fait accompli well before it was signed, it was only the terms and length - that was done by 1988.

I strongly maintain the Eagles and Bears joined knowing full well what the deal was. And anyone that joined afterward is just willfully ignorant if they say otherwise.

 

[Bjo187]

Just looking at the seating map for the battle of the bridge this weekend, it looks like all the bottom levels sold but still a decent amount on level 2. About 60 to 70 percent tickets gone. They'd surely be wanting a sellout for this game.

 

[manicmagpie]

When Carlton or Melbourne are the home team:

• Round 5 1980 (Carlton vs Melbourne) = 60,794 at Waverley Park

We can't be having records this low between decent sized Vic clubs survive for so long. Let's hope this one gets broken in Rd 22.

We've already had 12 club v club records this year:



Big shout out to Freo, who have had a disappointing season on field but have smashed it with their crowds.

They should easily set new home and overall records this season.

 

[Raz Man]

We can't be having records this low between decent sized Vic clubs survive for so long. Let's hope this one gets broken in Rd 22.

We've already had 12 club v club records this year:

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Big shout out to Freo, who have had a disappointing season on field but have smashed it with their crowds.

They should easily set new home and overall records this season.

Terrific effort to our friends in Fremantle, brilliant job! Keep it up guys

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

I agree. Fremantle’s crowds have held up remarkably well.

Credit to Freo fans for continually showing up despite a disappointing year.

 

[Rouel_14]

Meh, if you switch our Geelong away fixture this year to KP we would literally still set a record attendance for the season.

Furthermore, if clubs played all their home games at their home ground and there was a truly random or rolling draw, Collingwood's attendances wouldn't change that much. Take this year, switch our games against North and Brisbane to the G and Geelong to KP and are we really worse off? The double ups are a mix of good (Carlton, Essendon, Geelong) and bad (Adelaide, Port, Brisbane), no reason to think it would be much different if random.

And crowds were not of 'limited relevance' as I was responding to someone who wanted Easter Monday exempt from KP because of crowds. I've no issue with Geelong getting all their games (including the Pies) at KP, but exempting teams because of crowd figures is exactly the reason Collingwood haven't been there since the 90s.

I support Geelong getting all their home games at their home ground as long as that privilege is extended to my club as well. People who support one but not the other (as many here seem to do), makes them as big a hypocrite as an English person talking about the spirit of cricket.



If your view is 'Geelong should play their home games in Geelong but with an exception because of strong crowds' then you're in agreement with the AFL's current position. As soon as you carve one exception out, the question has to be asked about another of their games that routinely attracts 80k.

Our current MCG contract only means that 5 of our away games have to be at the G. There's still 6 others that can go anywhere else, it's just convention that says 5 of them are for non-Vic teams and 1 is for a Docklands tenant. Difficult but not impossible to schedule one elsewhere if the AFL was so inclined.

But when it comes down to it it's only Geelong we're talking about. If the issue is - games should be where the home clubs want them to be - then only Geelong have actually been knocked back on this. Hawthorn/North/WB/Melbourne etc do not want nor do they ask for Collingwood games to be played in their regional venues because it would cost them money over playing at the MCG/Docklands. So it's hard to see why anyone would get upset when we then don't go there.

And as I said earlier, I'm all for Geelong being allowed to have all games at KP so long as Collingwood are also afforded the right to have our home games at our home ground.

By the way, I'm loving Essendon being presented as a martyr in all this. Prior to a couple of weeks ago, they hadn't had a single game (that wasn't moved for covid) in a regional venue for 30 years, and now they're making out they're a member of the oppressed masses.

I agree with you that Geelong should be given their home game where they want it and that should be extended to any other club that wants it too. NOTHING would make me happier than 11 home games at the G. That said, it’s a little ironic that Collingwood have an issue with playing a home game at Marvel when you kick other MCG tenant clubs out of their seats for each and every of their home games.

If Collingwood want it fair, be fair across the board, not just when it suits Collingwood.


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[manicmagpie]

I agree with you that Geelong should be given their home game where they want it and that should be extended to any other club that wants it too. NOTHING would make me happier than 11 home games at the G. That said, it’s a little ironic that Collingwood have an issue with playing a home game at Marvel when you kick other MCG tenant clubs out of their seats for each and every of their home games.

If Collingwood want it fair, be fair across the board, not just when it suits Collingwood.


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Important here to separate what I want/propose from what Collingwood wants.

I have no idea whether the club has an issue with the home games at Docklands or not. I don't think we have an official agreement in place to play there, but it might have been an 'understanding' when we signed the MCG deal. It's never been clear.

As far as I'm concerned, I'd give up the MCG contract and our additional seats at away games in exchange for 11 home games at the G in a heartbeat.

 

[hawkers10]

Crowd predictions for the Round:
Dogs vs tigers: 38k
Essendon vs west coast: 36k
Crows vs suns: 33k
Hawks vs pies: 72k
Cats vs port: 22k
Giants vs Sydney: 13k
North vs Melbourne: 9k
Saints vs Carlton: 43k
Freo vs lions: 39k

 

[collingwood23]

Crowd predictions for the Round:
Dogs vs tigers: 38k
Essendon vs west coast: 36k
Crows vs suns: 33k
Hawks vs pies: 72k
Cats vs port: 22k
Giants vs Sydney: 13k
North vs Melbourne: 9k
Saints vs Carlton: 43k
Freo vs lions: 39k

I’d go with:
Dogs vs tigers-38k
Dons vs eagles-34k
Crows vs suns-36k
Hawks vs pies-74k
Cats vs port-20k
Giants vs swans-16k
North vs Melbourne-8k
Saints vs blues-42k
Freo vs lions-39k

 

[BallaratBulldog]

Surely the Dogs and Tigers would hit 40k at lest.

 

[Fletched]

Essendon WC will be 30k only

 

[dave10]

Essendon WC will be 30k only

Ticket sales pretty ordinary. Too early to say. It’s looking like 30-33K yo me. Similar to their round 2 Gold Coast crowd from what I can see (32K).

 

[dave10]

Surely the Dogs and Tigers would hit 40k at lest.

I just had a look at sales. I’m not really across ticket sales pattens for Bulldogs games, however ticket sales don’t look strong. Plenty of reserved seating still on level 1. Selling reserved seating on level .3 in front section still. Perhaps they will get a big walkup. Gut feel suggests this may only get 30-35K. See how things go.