List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

[Scythe94]

Seems a good time to pin this:


OOC players:

• Michael Hibberd (retired)
• Deakyn Smith (delisted)
• Andy Moniz-Wakefield
• Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
• Luke Dunstan (retired)
• James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
• Kye Turner (delisted)

Traded out:

• James Harmes (Bulldogs)
• Brodie Grundy (Sydney)

Traded in:

• Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
• Jack Billings (St Kilda)
• Shane McAdam (Adelaide)

Drafted:

• Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
• Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
• Kynan Brown (Rookie)

 

[TheBoss]

Because if he doesn't do full training and doesn't make himself available for selection we'd be able to terminate the contract

I don't think a club can sack a player and withhold the money owed if they are unavailable due to sustaining a football injury. The player has lived up to their end of the bargain.

I am just curious as I can't recall a time where a player has suffered potentially career ending injury with 5 years left to run on their deal.

I know in the past that the Hawks had to include Vickery's full salary in the cap after his early retirement as there were compensation picks involved when he signed his deal. But I am not sure if rules are different for players that have early retirements that re-signed with their club.

 

[Topkent]

I don't think a club can sack a player and withhold the money owed if they are unavailable due to sustaining a football injury. The player has lived up to their end of the bargain.

I am just curious as I can't recall a time where a player has suffered potentially career ending injury with 5 years left to run on their deal.

I know in the past that the Hawks had to include Vickery's full salary in the cap after his early retirement as there were compensation picks involved when he signed his deal. But I am not sure if rules are different for players that have early retirements that re-signed with their club.

Think this is gonna go slightly off track lol. Think if Gus said he's not playing anymore because of Brain issues we'd give him some money. Maybe not the whole thing but probably shake his hand and give him half as a lump sum or something like that.

We wouldn't force him to show up and pretend to be available and he wouldn't do the same cause if he's 'available' we'd pick him to play

 

[Demon 16]

Gus is on the books until the end of 2028. Does he still get the full contract paid out if it is a medical retirement? Does the club still cop a hit to the salary cap if hangs up his helmet?

If he isn't getting paid out then why wouldn't he just clog the list until the contract expires. Hit the gym with your mates a few times a week and get a regular deep tissue massage while setting himself up for life outside of footy.

Good question and not sure I want to speculate to be honest.. hopefully he is fine and carries on.

I don’t know what the precedent is for someone pulling out with 4 years left due to head injury. I presume he would be looked after and an exemption granted to the MFC to largely replace his salary.

 

[Mich0]

Anyone else find this work-life balance question from Grundy truely bizarre? Bloke is a professional sportsman, wtf is he after. Wfh benefits or something?

 

[The Dr]

Anyone else find this work-life balance question from Grundy truely bizarre? Bloke is a professional sportsman, wtf is he after. Wfh benefits or something?

He's allowed to choose an environment where he thinks he'll be best suited professionally and personally.


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[Demon 16]

Anyone else find this work-life balance question from Grundy truely bizarre? Bloke is a professional sportsman, wtf is he after. Wfh benefits or something?

I don’t have a big problem with it - it’s about output.

I have sat in on a few interviews over the past 18 months in the corporate sector however and been quite surprised at how quickly the ‘work from home’ options are asked about!

 

[dees arent rabble]

Why not Errol gulden

I love the lizard

 

[Topkent]

Anyone else find this work-life balance question from Grundy truely bizarre? Bloke is a professional sportsman, wtf is he after. Wfh benefits or something?

Couldn't give a flying **** about his reasoning so long as we get a pick for him

 

[Topkent]

I love the lizard

We'd need Sydneys first next year plus the lizard to make it worthwhile

 

[Bluelegs]

Gus is on the books until the end of 2028. Does he still get the full contract paid out if it is a medical retirement? Does the club still cop a hit to the salary cap if hangs up his helmet?

If he isn't getting paid out then why wouldn't he just clog the list until the contract expires. Hit the gym with your mates a few times a week and get a regular deep tissue massage while setting himself up for life outside of footy.

If he retired he would no longer be able to fulfill his contract. I also think that if we were to pay him out somewhat the AFL would let us do so outside of the cap where concussion is involved.

 

[Bluelegs]

Anyone else find this work-life balance question from Grundy truely bizarre? Bloke is a professional sportsman, wtf is he after. Wfh benefits or something?

Could just be he doesn't want to go to after school care programs every day after training, who knows.

 

[Bluelegs]

They pretty much want Nick Watson alongside Weightman.

They should be chasing Curtin or O'Sullivan

 

[Crusty Demon]

They should be chasing Curtin or O'Sullivan

Exactly. Dogs desperately need tall defenders. Would be mindblowing if they chose Watson over Curtin or O'Sullivan.

 

[Saab NLAW]

I don’t have a big problem with it - it’s about output.

I have sat in on a few interviews over the past 18 months in the corporate sector however and been quite surprised at how quickly the ‘work from home’ options are asked about!

I'm in the same situation recruiting for my business. WFH is basically people asking to get a salary for doing minimal work. Thank you chairman Dan

 

[schmuttt]

I'm in the same situation recruiting for my business. WFH is basically people asking to get a salary for doing minimal work. Thank you chairman Dan

I work from home very rarely but my productivity is much better at home - less distractions.

 

[Topkent]

I work from home very rarely but my productivity is much better at home - less distractions.

Always at work on time aswell.

 

[The Dr]

Always at work on time aswell.

Yep plus no time lost to commuting and spending that time exercising or whatever = better mental health


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[ZionMig22]

So rather than this nonsense it's more likely Port told Grundy he'd have to take a pay cut to join them seeing as they are taking Ratugolea and Zerk Thatcher to go with Sweet. That's gotta be a million of salary cap right there.

Sweet only nominated Port once the Grundy interest ended

 

[Topkent]

Sweet only nominated Port once the Grundy interest ended

You mean after the season finished

 

[00Stinger]

Think this is gonna go slightly off track lol. Think if Gus said he's not playing anymore because of Brain issues we'd give him some money. Maybe not the whole thing but probably shake his hand and give him half as a lump sum or something like that.

We wouldn't force him to show up and pretend to be available and he wouldn't do the same cause if he's 'available' we'd pick him to play

Pretty sure the club has to honor the full amount if the player requests it.

Beams made Collingwood pay out his full contract (but that bloke is a campaigner of a thing) where as Tom Boyd walked away from his contract.

I would assume there would be some sort of payout though and the club would go to the AFL to try and have it not be part of the salary cap

 

[Bluelegs]

Pretty sure the club has to honor the full amount if the player requests it.

Beams made Collingwood pay out his full contract (but that bloke is a campaigner of a thing) where as Tom Boyd walked away from his contract.

I would assume there would be some sort of payout though and the club would go to the AFL to try and have it not be part of the salary cap

If he retired over something like concussion we'd be stupid not to pay him out in full tbh. You can get that money moved outside the cap for medical reasons such as this though.

 

[Topkent]

Probably not the right time to say it but **** that contract extension looked dumb at the time and would look even worse if this happens

 

[Bluelegs]

Probably not the right time to say it but * that contract extension looked dumb at the time and would look even worse if this happens

Yeah from a purely business perspective this is the risk with giving out massive long term deals.

 

[Topkent]

Yeah from a purely business perspective this is the risk with giving out massive long term deals.

Yeah just didn't see the need. If he wanted to leave for a better deal we would have got well compensated

 

[Topkent]

Jasper Fletcher kicked 3 on the weekend in the qualifying final.
The last midfielder we added to the side was Tom Sparrow

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Tom Sparrow

Age

24

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.0

4star

K

6.0

2star

HB

9.0

5star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

CL

3.0

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

6.0

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

CL

3.0

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

CL

3.0

5star

in 2019.
Our midfield has been the exact same for 4 years.

Brisbane have added
Fletcher, Rayner, Neale, Ashcroft and Dunkley in that time

Our teams just felt stagnant