List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

[Scythe94]

Seems a good time to pin this:


OOC players:

• Michael Hibberd (retired)
• Deakyn Smith (delisted)
• Andy Moniz-Wakefield
• Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
• Luke Dunstan (retired)
• James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
• Kye Turner (delisted)

Traded out:

• James Harmes (Bulldogs)
• Brodie Grundy (Sydney)

Traded in:

• Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
• Jack Billings (St Kilda)
• Shane McAdam (Adelaide)

Drafted:

• Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
• Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
• Kynan Brown (Rookie)

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

IF we got Naughton and IF Petty's foot recovers, I'd rather keep Petty forward and play Naughton back.

Petty isn't as spectacular as Naughton but has shown he can take grabs. What he's got over Naughton in a significant way is the ability to convert.

Playing Naughton back further strengthens our intercept game so we don't have to rely on the same two blokes to be positioned for the intercept. Hopefully this means we can play faster and riskier with the ball in hand.

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Excellent breakdown.

Wonder what Naughton's thoughts are though, maybe he's someone who isn't interested going to a club to play defense? I suppose you could always do a Buckley to Howe on him, tell him one thing then do another once hes in the door.

 

[Jordie_tackles]

Dogs supporters seem to suggest naughtons kicking is a liability and they don’t want him playing back for that reason fwiw.

 

[Capt_Concussion]

Dogs supporters seem to suggest naughtons kicking is a liability and they don’t want him playing back for that reason fwiw.

We have McVee, Bowey, May, Rivers, and if you believe the media, Salem, who are all excellent kicks off the footy. With so many options to choose from, surely we can engineer a bail out option by hand or foot for Naughton so he doesn't have to bite off too much.

However, the Dogs have some decent users in the backline as well, so it may be easier said than done.

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[A11dAtP0w3R]

We have McVee, Bowey, May, Rivers, and if you believe the media, Salem, who are all excellent kicks off the footy. With so many options to choose from, surely we can engineer a bail out option by hand or foot for Naughton so he doesn't have to bite off too much.

However, the Dogs have some decent users in the backline as well, so it may be easier said than done.

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Yeah, id much rather have dodgy kicks in the backline where you can just do chip passes and handball to those that are better than kicking for goal thanks.

 

[Capt_Concussion]

Yeah, id much rather have dodgy kicks in the backline where you can just do chip passes and handball to those that are better than kicking for goal thanks.

When you read the names in our backline, it's actually hard to understand why we don't take more risks off halfback. Not many liabilities down there.

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[A11dAtP0w3R]

When you read the names in our backline, it's actually hard to understand why we don't take more risks off halfback. Not many liabilities down there.

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Rivers the only guy who can break lines. Maybe McVee can add that to his game.

Would love to replace Salem with someone who can run and kick over a distance.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

When you read the names in our backline, it's actually hard to understand why we don't take more risks off halfback. Not many liabilities down there.

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We're coached by a very popular potato. Its quite impressive how comprehensively the team is coached away from its strengths.

 

[schmuttt]

We're coached by a very popular potato. Its quite impressive how comprehensively the team is coached away from its strengths.

We are genuinely Freo under Ross Lyon but we actually won the flag when we made the GF. Lyons team progressively got worse in 14/15 after they lost to the Hawks, and their biggest issue was scoring. We aren't going to drop off next year like they did in 2016 but we'd really ****ing want to change things.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

We aren't going to drop off next year like they did in 2016.

That sounds like a dare.

 

[Capt_Concussion]

Rivers the only guy who can break lines. Maybe McVee can add that to his game.

Would love to replace Salem with someone who can run and kick over a distance.

Champion teams of the recent past have shown you can move the ball fast with precision kicking and you don't need to rely on foot speed. The problem is we need to spread our elite kicks up the ground. No good hitting Oliver up in the centre circle when the muppet is going to snap a 60m floater to the opposition defenders.

Rivers should have a licence to run 15 and kick 60 off halfback and back Kozzy to beat 90% of the comp running back into an open forward line. I don't actually think Rivers has the precision kicking to hit the 45 degree option in the corridor.

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[A11dAtP0w3R]

Champion teams of the recent past have shown you can move the ball fast with precision kicking and you don't need to rely on foot speed. The problem is we need to spread our elite kicks up the ground. No good hitting Oliver up in the centre circle when the muppet is going to snap a 60m floater to the opposition defenders.

Rivers should have a licence to run 15 and kick 60 off halfback and back Kozzy to beat 90% of the comp running back into an open forward line. I don't actually think Rivers has the precision kicking to hit the 45 degree option in the corridor.

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Rivers can hit some extraordinary passes but mainly on the run. I don't think either Bowey or Salem are penetrating enough to do where they can cause damage to the opposition with change of direction (why I think there is only room for one of them and that is Bowey) McVee has potential to create fast rebound with some run and link up. May is basically the only one back there right now who can hit passes back through the corridor on slow play .

 

[Capt_Concussion]

Rivers can hit some extraordinary passes but mainly on the run. I don't think either Bowey or Salem are penetrating enough to do where they can cause damage to the opposition with change of direction (why I think there is only room for one of them and that is Bowey) McVee has potential to create fast rebound with some run and link up. May is basically the only one back there right now who can hit passes back through the corridor on slow play .

On the snow play, yes May is the only one who can consistently hit a low hard kick. But we manufacture slow play. What would happen if we manufactured fast play and let these other names weight their kicks to advantage? On a fast play there's generally more open space because the opposition's zone hasn't been set up yet.

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[A11dAtP0w3R]

On the snow play, yes May is the only one who can consistently hit a low hard kick. But we manufacture slow play. What would happen if we manufactured fast play and let these other names weight their kicks to advantage? On a fast play there's generally more open space because the opposition's zone hasn't been set up yet.

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Nah i agree with you, the faster we play the easier it is to hit passes back thru the corridor. You were just saying that champion teams have shown you can move the ball fast with precise kicking in the previous post. I don't think we have enough penetrating kicks for that to be our game plan.

We need to be a team who looks to rebound thru play on with handball and fast change of direction . We have enough guys back there who are smart enough users to be capable of that.

I reckon Woey JNR should be someone we try off half back in the preseason. Saw him a use the ball well a few times this year, coming back inside, taking the not so obvious kick.

 

[mrmonkey]

We are genuinely Freo under Ross Lyon but we actually won the flag when we made the GF. Lyons team progressively got worse in 14/15 after they lost to the Hawks, and their biggest issue was scoring. We aren't going to drop off next year like they did in 2016 but we'd really ******* want to change things.

Looking back at freo in 2015 man that year looks very similar to ours in 2022. Started out on fire but the second half of the year they just getting enough to win. Went 10-1 then 7-4 in the second half of the year. At least the made a prelim but where cooked by then.

 

[markm106]

IF we got Naughton and IF Petty's foot recovers, I'd rather keep Petty forward and play Naughton back.

Petty isn't as spectacular as Naughton but has shown he can take grabs. What he's got over Naughton in a significant way is the ability to convert.

Playing Naughton back further strengthens our intercept game so we don't have to rely on the same two blokes to be positioned for the intercept. Hopefully this means we can play faster and riskier with the ball in hand.

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Yep would certainly give us some options.

 

[Bluelegs]

Looking back at freo in 2015 man that year looks very similar to ours in 2022. Started out on fire but the second half of the year they just getting enough to win. Went 10-1 then 7-4 in the second half of the year. At least the made a prelim but where cooked by then.

They finished a game on top with a percentage of 118.7. Abysmal compared to the other top 4 sides.

West Coast were 148.2 and Hawks were 158.4 which is just insane

 

[Dory_77]

Nah i agree with you, the faster we play the easier it is to hit passes back thru the corridor. You were just saying that champion teams have shown you can move the ball fast with precise kicking in the previous post. I don't think we have enough penetrating kicks for that to be our game plan.

We need to be a team who looks to rebound thru play on with handball and fast change of direction . We have enough guys back there who are smart enough users to be capable of that.

I reckon Woey JNR should be someone we try off half back in the preseason. Saw him a use the ball well a few times this year, coming back inside, taking the not so obvious kick.

Agree on WoJu. Seems to get good penetration in his kicks and some decent accelaration/speed.

That said I don't think everyone needs to be hitting 50m lasers. In the Carlton final Bowey set up a lovely play with a 20-30m hit inside to Rivers. Being willing to take those riskier options inside seems more mindset imo; AFL players should be capable of doing it just gotta have the guts to take the risk.

 

[Demon 16]

Agree on WoJu. Seems to get good penetration in his kicks and some decent accelaration/speed.

That said I don't think everyone needs to be hitting 50m lasers. In the Carlton final Bowey set up a lovely play with a 20-30m hit inside to Rivers. Being willing to take those riskier options inside seems more mindset imo; AFL players should be capable of doing it just gotta have the guts to take the risk.

That Coleman from Brisbane would be handy!

 

[Topkent]

Yeah, I personally don't get the argument that going for a better key forward would be proof that we're going to continue playing the same way. Our game style is the result of us trying to cover for a weakness. We've shown we can change the way we play when we actually have capable forwards there.

That being said I don't think it's a very good excuse for our rigid gamestyle. We shouldn't need a gun key forward to justify moving the ball effectively.

2018 we also had Melksham as the best goal assist player in the comp. Now we have Oliver and Viney

 

[Topkent]

Dogs supporters seem to suggest naughtons kicking is a liability and they don’t want him playing back for that reason fwiw.

That doesn't really make sense. Kicking out of defence and kicking for goal aren't even slightly similar ( Tmac for example ) and Naughton isn't going to go back to be Lachie Whitefield, in defence he doesn't have to kick everytime he can run or handball it off. He'd be a superstar key defender

 

[Topkent]

Rivers can hit some extraordinary passes but mainly on the run. I don't think either Bowey or Salem are penetrating enough to do where they can cause damage to the opposition with change of direction (why I think there is only room for one of them and that is Bowey) McVee has potential to create fast rebound with some run and link up. May is basically the only one back there right now who can hit passes back through the corridor on slow play .

Pretty hilarious that our FB is the most dangerous and most willing to take dangerous kicks in our team.

 

[Lord Nev]

Anyone mentioned Matt Flynn yet? UFA, and apparently we're having a nibble.

 

[Topkent]

Haha nuts to think that the 2009 draft contained Melksham, Cunnington, Rohan, Dusty, Fyfe, Duncan, Gunston, Grimes.

We got Scully, Trenners and Tapscott


And a cigarette smoking ruckman called Max Gawn

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Max Gawn

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32

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209cm

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110kg

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14.1

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3star

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6.7

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2.8

4star

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35.3

5star

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18.5

4star

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11.5

4star

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7.0

4star

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3.5

4star

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29.2

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[Demon 16]

Arron Naughtons manager on trade radio just now was pretty unequivocal that he would be playing for the bulldogs next year.

He did acknowledge that he’d received a lot of enquiry though.

 

[booshboy]

Arron Naughtons manager on trade radio just now was pretty unequivocal that he would be playing for the bulldogs next year.

He did acknowledge that he’d received a lot of enquiry though.