List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[cygnet18]

Being reported Sean Darcy

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Sean Darcy

Age

26

Ht

203cm

Wt

111kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

2.4

4star

HO

28.8

5star

D

6.8

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

20.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

6.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

32.0

5star

is close to an extension at freo. Thats unfortunate, I was hoping we were a sneaky chance to nab him.

 

[Bandicoot]

Media, coaching (top grade or development), scouting, administration (AFL or clubs), might be missing some others…

Just because they have played for Sydney doesn't exclude them from taking accepting jobs in Melbourne after their playing career.

 

[Ticky009]

I'm surprised as to how many people refer to the fact that all these Victorian players have so many more opportunities post their playing career. WHERE??
A few (maybe 1-2) will get a gig in the TV industry. Maybe another one on radio but that's about it. So we are talking about maybe 3 players at most out of all the Victorian clubs will get a job outside footy post their career. Hardly think we should be worried about that.

A lot of them do coaching at schools and in the VFL.

 

[.Shotties.]

I'm surprised as to how many people refer to the fact that all these Victorian players have so many more opportunities post their playing career. WHERE??
A few (maybe 1-2) will get a gig in the TV industry. Maybe another one on radio but that's about it. So we are talking about maybe 3 players at most out of all the Victorian clubs will get a job outside footy post their career. Hardly think we should be worried about that.

This is ****ing top-line maths. The entire Australian Football linked community in Victoria generates 3 jobs. Very good.

 

[Membling]

This is ******* top-line maths. The entire Australian Football linked community in Victoria generates 3 jobs. Very good.

Well, I for one enjoy all of the adds with the highly talented actors who also somehow play AFL. Those companies also have no links to sponsorships or anything

 

[the hypnotoad]

The hysteria around Grundy and he’s going to Port because he’s from SA is nauseating. Port sent a Posse to Melbourne last week including the coach as a Hail Mary to convince him. The Coach ? Could you see Longmire doing that while coaching a top 4 side in premiership contention this year ?
They were desperate as they know its far from a forgone conclusion. We are in Grundy up to our necks. People here either like it or they don’t but that is where it’s at. Bank on it.

i've been under the impression grundy himself at some point this season (when it was clear things weren't working as he'd have hoped at melbourne) had expressed a desire to go back to south oz ... and it made some sense, obviously he'd have a lot of friends and family there
but it is quite ridiculous to put such weight on the "go home" factor for a 29yo who likely only has 3-4 (maybe 5) years of top-level football left
it's not like he's going halfway round the world
geez, there are talented sport kids, 17, 18 years old, who uproot from family and do travel across the world to go to america (or wherever) on college scholarships, etc
but we're being led to believe a 29yo has already written off a move from melbourne to sydney on good money to play football for a few years!?
we all know grundy wants to play the no1 ruck role, which he would be guaranteed at the swans, so if the money is right, why the hell would he not seriously consider it?
we're not in an official trade period, the club's focus is on finals, so we're not likely to get any real clarity for a while yet, this is all speculation
but yes, surely we're still very much in the contest to sign grundy

 

[DobmusEdge]

Some players do branch out past the media world. Many ex players take up careers in commerce and being an ex player opens a lot of doors.

The argument may be that an ex AFL player in Melbourne could have more career opportunities post football than in Sydney.

There are plenty of diverse post career opportunities in the eastern suburbs of Sydney

 

[Tomorrow]

This is a strong draft but sadly my guess is less than 50 will be selected and some gems will be overlooked. Rookie list spots and selections should become a window of opportunity for the Swans.

 

[Deccas]

Just because they have played for Sydney doesn't exclude them from taking accepting jobs in Melbourne after their playing career.

This is true but I think it misses how the Victorian clubs function as old boys business networks. Football clubs are integrated into the fabric of Melbourne's institutions to a degree that is genuinely remarkable. Being a 200 game Essendon player opens up doors in Melbourne that would remain closed in Sydney.

 

[Deccas]

A lot of them do coaching at schools and in the VFL.

Yep. Coaching at an elite private school is a real go. Reckon that there is decent money in it and again, it opens up a lot of doors etc.

 

[ErrolisGoldun]

Just because they have played for Sydney doesn't exclude them from taking accepting jobs in Melbourne after their playing career.

Jude Bolton has done quite well

 

[dosser]

The way things are, our Academy is not even an "advantage". It is an equaliser.

I like the way you put that. Maybe we should be reframing any discussions about the academies in this manner.

 

[dosser]

Logan spoke about the 'Swans housing program' in an interview a few weeks ago. It's possible our players don't even pay rent - especially the younger players.

Cost of living somehow impacting our ability to attract players is a beat up imo.

That's great for draftees, but we are talking about getting an established player from another club. These players often have a partner and maybe a young family so to tell them that they will relocate to shared housing simply wouldn't happen.

 

[dosser]

I'm surprised as to how many people refer to the fact that all these Victorian players have so many more opportunities post their playing career. WHERE??
A few (maybe 1-2) will get a gig in the TV industry. Maybe another one on radio but that's about it. So we are talking about maybe 3 players at most out of all the Victorian clubs will get a job outside footy post their career. Hardly think we should be worried about that.

Maybe it is a minor thing, but ex AFL players in Melbourne also get very good coin strapping on the boots in the suburban league. One of my local club's ex AFL players left us for another club at the beginning of this season as he was offered about $50k. This is on top of whatever jobs they do during the week.

 

[Bandicoot]

Jude Bolton has done quite well

So has Tadhg.

 

[DobmusEdge]

Jude Bolton has done quite well

Jonathon Brown and Kane Cornes two others than didn’t need to play in Vic to now be entrenched in that godforsaken media cycle

 

[tombomb]

That's great for draftees, but we are talking about getting an established player from another club. These players often have a partner and maybe a young family so to tell them that they will relocate to shared housing simply wouldn't happen.

Who said everything is shared?

The club or it's sponsors probably own houses and sub let them to players.

I really doubt players are scrolling through realestate.com trying to find a place to live while sitting in a hotel room after they get traded to a club.

 

[Bloods86]

Jonathon Brown and Kane Cornes two others than didn’t need to play in Vic to now be entrenched in that godforsaken media cycle

Brown lived in Melbourne for a fair while to do so. Cornes has stayed there quite a bit, commutes as well.

There's opportunities for interstate players, even those from the northern clubs (particularly Swans and Lions), but just not the same breadth of opportunities, because local radio, media don't necessarily care as much to have a former local player as a host or regular guest.

Of course it helps Brown being a member of one of the greatest teams in AFL history, where he faced off against and won 3 flags vs Vic teams. So was a big household name in Vic too. Cornes has the benefit of a) being from a footy state with viewers, b) happy to throw out whatever controversial takes that get attention.

 

[DobmusEdge]

That's great for draftees, but we are talking about getting an established player from another club. These players often have a partner and maybe a young family so to tell them that they will relocate to shared housing simply wouldn't happen.

Its part of why we focus on having a drafting and retention model. Less 18 year olds have babies than those mid career.

It’s very understandable why young parents want to be around extended family …no one begrudged Jetta wanting to go back to WA with three kids, and more recently the 20 year hawks player with twins wanting to get home to WA.

I don’t think we have ever targeted fathers and expected them to consider share housing

I remember when Daniel Bradshaw (rightly) cracked the shits with Lions and entered pre-season draft with aim of getting to Sydney, Paul Roos said - he’s got four kids and I would think clubs would respect that and take it into consideration.

Other than Bradshaw, I cannot recall a father coming to swans …except Hickey who we worked that to our favour as Sydney is closer than perth and therefore to his and he’s partner’s family. Barass ultimately staying put and hard to begrudge him that (though Kinnear might say otherwise). Crouch too.

On the flip side, it has meant players like Reid and JPK late career haven’t considered elsewhere due to young kids and established roots.

As a last point - to be young and free and good at footy, how good would it be living in the eastern suburbs of Sydney with Logan, Chad, Angus, Corey, J-Mac, Ollie, lizard et al…playing for swans every weekend and golf at Errol’s parent’s golf club during the week. That would do me

 

[Wheresbuddy]

Who said everything is shared?

The club or it's sponsors probably own houses and sub let them to players.

I really doubt players are scrolling through realestate.com trying to find a place to live while sitting in a hotel room after they get traded to a club.

When Lachie Neale moved to Bne, he bought a house off a friend of mine. Apparently his wife did the initial inspection, accompanied by a club rep and some of the WAGS. Fell in love with the place and next thing you know, my mate had sold the house.

 

[DobmusEdge]

Who said everything is shared?

The club or it's sponsors probably own houses and sub let them to players.

I really doubt players are scrolling through realestate.com trying to find a place to live while sitting in a hotel room after they get traded to a club.

If I won powerball (the big jackpot, not just a mill or two) I would look for ways the help the swans. And the obvious one is housing for players (arms length - outside the cap) …these must be in place in some form and if not management and it’s benefactors have dropped the ball

 

[tombomb]

If I won powerball (the big jackpot, not just a mill or two) I would look for ways the help the swans. And the obvious one is housing for players (arms length - outside the cap) …these must in place in some form and if not management and it’s benefactors have dropped the ball

Every club would do the same thing I imagine.

 

[DobmusEdge]

Brown lived in Melbourne for a fair while to do so. Cornes has stayed there quite a bit, commutes as well.

There's opportunities for interstate players, even those from the northern clubs (particularly Swans and Lions), but just not the same breadth of opportunities, because local radio, media don't necessarily care as much to have a former local player as a host or regular guest.

Of course it helps Brown being a member of one of the greatest teams in AFL history, where he faced off against and won 3 flags vs Vic teams. So was a big household name in Vic too. Cornes has the benefit of a) being from a footy state with viewers, b) happy to throw out whatever controversial takes that get attention.

All good points and observations - and they both have playing resumes that speak for themselves. And you’ve reminded me that both Cornes and Brown are second generation greats with clear connections the generation above pulling strings and opening doors for them post career

I think Ted Richards and Mike Pyke (Macquarie group) good examples of possible post career opportunities in Sydney. Kieran Jack is in some similar financial orbit as well. Jason Ball somehow post 2005 grand final found a pathway to get onto AFL Commission

Hickey also said in retirement interview he had secured job through a swans partner / sponsor to get home to the Gold Coast post footy

We’re not leaving our players in the gutter post footy like cousins, chick, Kerr, ward, Yarran, Sylvia, etc

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Relatively happy with how we sit whether we trade or stay firm to the draft. Not against trading up for the right player (meaning don't trade with GC only to take a player ranked 10th). Very confortable with the way weve been going about it. People on here are worrying about the ruck way too much, a defender would be great, or a forward and we have those picks to get one or both of those, plus the Cleary match in the mid to late second round (expecting around pick 35 odd)

 

[DobmusEdge]

When Lachie Neale moved to Bne, he bought a house off a friend of mine. Apparently his wife did the initial inspection, accompanied by a club rep and some of the WAGS. Fell in love with the place and next thing you know, my mate had sold the house.

As an aside, the Neale to Lions 2018 trade (with two years left on his contract no less) is probably the trade of the decade …lions in deep oblivion at the time... no obvious destination cache. Making it perfect for Brisbane was they offloaded Dane Beams back too magpies for two first rounders to get the deal done