List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[Bloods86]

Don't disagree with you at all in terms of depth and future needs.
So who from this draft do you like to fill one or more of these needs?

Murphy will take a while, but hard to pass up if he's still there. I'm not sure we swoop for ZZ, but won't be unhappy. Archer Reid the only KPF around at our mark.

I hope we see something in May because it'll allow us to focus on another position.

Murphy + Cleary + med def Cat A + May (or if we don't rate May, another ruck as Cat A, then Cabor). Have to look for a KPF in the MSD.

or

Reid + Cleary + KPD Cat A + May/Cabor

 

[ShireSwan]

As posted before, Schoenmaker’s the one I’d like most… and he can arguably play anywhere.

The Gettable video 'Needs mock draft' on the afl website has us taking Hardeman. Who I can't seem to get excited by. He looks fine I guess, certainly rated highly by people who know more about these things than I do, but to me looks like one of those players that plays 120 meaningless games for Essendon.

I really like Schoenmaker for our wing in a Dawson role, (who could also play forward and look good). But the point of difference he offers is especially what sells Schoenmaker to me. Size and strength on the outside not something we currently have....able to float down back, and get it out of there with a booming kick.
I'll be super disappointed if we don't take him unless Wilson somehow falls to us.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Murphy will take a while, but hard to pass up if he's still there. I'm not sure we swoop for ZZ, but won't be unhappy. Archer Reid the only KPF around at our mark.

I hope we see something in May because it'll allow us to focus on another position.

Murphy + Cleary + med def Cat A + May (or if we don't rate May, another ruck as Cat A, then Cabor). Have to look for a KPF in the MSD.

or

Reid + Cleary + KPD Cat A + May/Cabor

Keeping Sam Reid may give us 12 months depth if we can only get either a KPF or a KPD this draft. Agree about Murphy (and probably Archer Reid) having longer development arcs but that's OK.
Not sure another KPD rookie gives us the quality I'd like to see us get that we were chasing with Barrass at least. Bit of a lottery.
I'm a bit entertained by the idea that ZZ might make a forward.

 

[Callipygian]

bedford is the @curmudgeon of this thread

Oh I see it doesn't work with nicknames

Bedford suggested I block him early on and I obliged, so I don't know much about his curmudgeonliness. He seems to be regarded affectionately despite his surliness.

 

[Bloods86]

Keeping Sam Reid may give us 12 months depth if we can only get either a KPF or a KPD this draft. Agree about Murphy (and probably Archer Reid) having longer development arcs but that's OK.
Not sure another KPD rookie gives us the quality I'd like to see us get that we were chasing with Barrass at least. Bit of a lottery.
I'm a bit entertained by the idea that ZZ might make a forward.

Drafting doesn't have anything to do with next year, so (Sam) Reid isn't a factor for me. It's all about 3 years or so from now.

 

[Wheresbuddy]

Is there anyway that we can get Connor O'Sullivan? Please someone tell me there is.......

 

[Swansujelly]

Is there anyway that we can get Connor O'Sullivan? Please someone tell me there is.......

we can dream..but no.

 

[Swannie0307]

Exactly , well summed up and thread closed lol

But Bedders, we’re so close to 800 pages??

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Is there anyway that we can get Connor O'Sullivan? Please someone tell me there is.......

Nope don’t have the assets to get the GWS pick 7, I wouldn’t want to trade with Geelong anyway after their nonsense over Ratagolea.0

 

[RUNVS]

As posted before, Schoenmaker’s the one I’d like most… and he can arguably play anywhere.

I did want him but then I heard some very bad stuff on this forum about him. Don't want him at all now.

 

[bedford]

Bedford suggested I block him early on and I obliged, so I don't know much about his curmudgeonliness. He seems to be regarded affectionately despite his surliness.

Not surliness at all , just dementia and a low tolerance

 

[bedford]

I did want him but then I heard some very bad stuff on this forum about him. Don't want him at all now.

So he's no good because of what you read on here , gee wizz

 

[sataris]

ME!!!!

Blasphemy

 

[anotherletdown]

You can use nicknames if you are clever

Why am I always left out. It's just not fair

 

[Dubai Quacker]

The Gettable video 'Needs mock draft' on the afl website has us taking Hardeman. Who I can't seem to get excited by. He looks fine I guess, certainly rated highly by people who know more about these things than I do, but to me looks like one of those players that plays 120 meaningless games for Essendon.

I really like Schoenmaker for our wing in a Dawson role, (who could also play forward and look good). But the point of difference he offers is especially what sells Schoenmaker to me. Size and strength on the outside not something we currently have....able to float down back, and get it out of there with a booming kick.
I'll be super disappointed if we don't take him unless Wilson somehow falls to us.

I haven’t seen Hardeman play this year in the WAFL - he’s a blind spot in my knowledge of WA draftees. However, he did captain the WA U18s, so likely to be of strong character.

He does, however, just have a bit of a Dylan Stephens vibe (based solely and unfairly on the fact that he’s a light framed running / winger type) - I’m still a bit scarred by Dylan … hence I have a bit of (ridiculously baseless) trepidation around Hardeman.

 

[Kiama Chris]

I haven’t seen Hardeman play this year in the WAFL - he’s a blind spot in my knowledge of WA draftees. However, he did captain the WA U18s, so likely to be of strong character.

He does, however, feel a bit Dylan Stephens-ish to me (based purely on the fact that he’s a light framed running / winger type) - I’m still a bit scarred by Dylan … hence I have a bit of (likely baseless) trepidation around Hardeman.

As previously posted I don't see how at his "ceiling" he would improve us. That should be our aim. Don't see that he has the best potential around our pick.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Golly. We are nearing on 20,000 posts.


Like me, I am sure Ticky009 is looking forward to opening of the 2024 edition of this much loved thread.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

As previously posted I don't see how at his "ceiling" he would improve us. That should be our aim. Don't see that he has the best potential around our pick.

Agree on Hardeman. It is unclear what he has to offer.

Suspect the Gettable people were taking the urine, which is not nice for the WA lad.

 

[RUNVS]

So he's no good because of what you read on here , gee wizz

Not as a footballer, but as a human being.

 

[Membling]

Agree on Hardeman. It is unclear what he has to offer.

Suspect the Gettable people were taking the urine, which is not nice for the WA lad.

Eh, AFL media are notoriously bad at getting anything from us in regards to the draft

Also doesn't help Beatson goes completely rogue and we get a player like Vickery who looks less than 50/50 to play a game

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Eh, AFL media are notoriously bad at getting anything from us in regards to the draft

Also doesn't help Beatson goes completely rogue and we get a player like Vickery who looks less than 50/50 to play a game

Aye. Vickery did show a couple of green shoots before his injury, when played on the wing. Before then I had him at 20/80 to play a game.

 

[ShireSwan]

Agree on Hardeman. It is unclear what he has to offer.

Suspect the Gettable people were taking the urine, which is not nice for the WA lad.

Many have him going higher than our pick. The lad surely has talent, so I guess I'd have to reserve judgement if we get him. Does look by his video highlights to have some evasive skills to go with his fair speed. and game nous. Still, seems a big step down from what Wilson would offer in the 'Replacing Lloyd in a couple of years' sweepstakes. But I guess there's no use lusting after an Ionic 5 if all you have is a Corolla budget.

 

[ShireSwan]

Not as a footballer, but as a human being.

What could you possibly have read on here that lead you to that conclusion?
Did I miss something? Surely you can't mean the one incident where a 17 year old drank some alcohol??

 

[RUNVS]

What could you possibly have read on here that lead you to that conclusion?
Did I miss something? Surely you can't mean the one incident where a 17 year old drank some alcohol??

No, where at 15 or so he heavily bullied a disabled boy in his class so much so the boy considered suicide and is still dealing with the effects.

 

[Membling]

Many have him going higher than our pick. The lad surely has talent, so I guess I'd have to reserve judgement if we get him. Does look by his video highlights to have some evasive skills to go with his fair speed. and game nous. Still, seems a big step down from what Wilson would offer in the 'Replacing Lloyd in a couple of years' sweepstakes. But I guess there's no use lusting after an Ionic 5 if all you have is a Corolla budget.

Is a weird one, this draft.

Quite a few players I would be happy to pick up at our pick.

Prefer not to pick up a skinny flanker. Also not buying the hype in Shoenmaker.