Position 2023 Fantasy Defenders

[Tex Danger]

Doggies Liam Jones

Yea that makes far more sense!

 

[kozi]

How would you rank Jones, Hunt and Constable just out of curiosity?

In that order probably. Don’t even rate Constable as an option given he’ll probably be outed in round 2 or 3 with who they’ve got to return. Surprised he’s 30% owned

 

[Mezzoculo]

This guy?

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I won't convince you otherwise.

Its not all about numbers though FBI. Role is also a consideration, and there's been plenty from the Eagles suggesting Hunt will play as a defensive winger, which is definitely NOT the role he had at Melbourne.

Also, have you seen Jonesy's recent season averages?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Its not all about numbers though FBI. Role is also a consideration, and there's been plenty from the Eagles suggesting Hunt will play as a defensive winger, which is definitely NOT the role he had at Melbourne.

Also, have you seen Jonesy's recent season averages?

But as you say mate, it's about role. Jonesy will have a way better role at the dogs than he did at the blues. He will legitimately be their best defender.

And defensive wing, isn't that like the worst fantasy role in football?

 

[Wobbly Punt]

Also, have you seen Jonesy's recent season averages?

I think the point being missed in that is well stated on the previous page by FBI. His Carlton job is vastly different to his Bulldogs job and the new gig for Jones is a likely better scoring one. It's actually the same argument you're using for Hunt, an argument I agree with as well - which is why I have both.

You're argument for Hunt is exactly the argument for Jones.

 

[kozi]

* it i'll explain. First i don't expect him to go to 70 and think that a 65 average will be more than sufficient which, combined with his lock best 22 ability, makes him really attractive in order to stiffen up my backline which I am running 3 players under 330k. I need the guaranteed job security in case one or two of my on field rookies suddenly get dropped. Jones wont.

Onto his scoring, Jones has played the majority of his fantasy relevant career at Carlton alongside elite defenders like Docherty, Saad and PARTICULARLY Jacob Weitering. Jacob Weitering is an elite disposer of the ball and can lazer it 40ms. In Carlton's switch, the ball is preferred in the hands of Weitering as that last player in the switch pivot role. Weitering by the way who has averaged 74 in the past. While Jones is actually quite a decent field kick, he had a tendency to bite off more than he could chew and take risky kicks. Hence he was non-preferred and the ball went through Weitering when it needed to go through a tall.

Now Jones enters the Doggies. A side whose defence consists of Alex *ign Keath and whatever other crab they put down there. Jones is 10 times the footballer Alex Keath is and will play the Weitering role at the Doggies acting as the last pivot point in the switch. Add that role to his always elite intercept marking ability and you suddenly have the potential for 60+ points.

60+ points, best 22 lock you can ride up to the byes. I'm all in.

Good points. Happy I've got someone to blame now when he goes 50

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Good points. Happy I've got someone to blame now when he goes 50

Dammit this is why I wanted to wait.

 

[Mezzoculo]

I think the point being missed in that is well stated on the previous page by FBI. His Carlton job is vastly different to his Bulldogs job and the new gig for Jones is a likely better scoring one. It's actually the same argument you're using for Hunt, an argument I agree with as well - which is why I have both.

You're argument for Hunt is exactly the argument for Jones.

But as you say mate, it's about role. Jonesy will have a way better role at the dogs than he did at the blues. He will legitimately be their best defender.

And defensive wing, isn't that like the worst fantasy role in football?

I'm not sold that Jonesy's role at Footscray will be as fruitful as people think. His disposal can be iffy and the dogs have high quality ball users coming out of the backline, so there's no guarantee he'll be able to turn his intercept game into +6s. Also, Gardiner - who's played the lockdown role well in the past - will miss the first few rounds with an elbow injury. Keath, his likely replacement, is less effective in that lockdown role (and who knows if Bruce will get a gig). Otherwise it might be Sam Darcy dropping back, and he's not developed enough to take the big boys.

I just see fewer risks/greater upside with Hunt - using his aerobic capacity to transition the ball along those wide wings of Optus in a team that might not have the cattle to play fast football.

And if I'm wrong and Hunt bombs while Jonesy blitzes it then I can trade out of Hunt and into Jones with one trade. Can't go the other way without using two.

 

[kozi]

Dammit this is why I wanted to wait.

Solid arguments to say he can at least go 60's. It's a pretty low bar to clear

Doubt anyone will complain when half the comp is running Constable in that spot and gets dropped in round 2

 

[kozi]

I'm not sold that Jonesy's role at Footscray will be as fruitful as people think. His disposal can be iffy and the dogs have high quality ball users coming out of the backline, so there's no guarantee he'll be able to turn his intercept game into +6s. Also, Gardiner - who's played the lockdown role well in the past - will miss the first few rounds with an elbow injury. Keath, his likely replacement, is less effective in that lockdown role (and who knows if Bruce will get a gig). Otherwise it might be Sam Darcy dropping back, and he's not developed enough to take the big boys.

I just see fewer risks/greater upside with Hunt - using his aerobic capacity to transition the ball along those wide wings of Optus in a team that might not have the cattle to play fast football.

And if I'm wrong and Hunt bombs while Jonesy blitzes it then I can trade out of Hunt and into Jones with one trade. Can't go the other way without using two.

Can't get past Hunt needing 9 marks for 61 in a low pressure game. Was playing his heart out too in his first game for a new team. That's probably a 40 once the real stuff starts

Just an extremely unfriendly fantasy player even at 380k in a spot where there isn't many options

 

[Cm Perfect]

Solid arguments to say he can at least go 60's. It's a pretty low bar to clear

Doubt anyone will complain when half the comp is running Constable in that spot and gets dropped in round 2

With Constable it's the age-old question of 'what value is a trade'? He will get dropped at some point, but it's weighing the risk of that vs the points on field/extra cash spent sacrifice of choosing someone else (e.g. Hunt or Jones).

Ideally one of Wilmot/Chesser/Cowan will emerge early rounds as being as capable a scorer as those other two (Hunt/Jones - not exactly a high bar), and those with Constable can trade him for a promising rookie on another line (or even a Weddle if he gets a gig) when he gets dropped.

 

[Cm Perfect]

How would you rank Jones, Hunt and Constable just out of curiosity?

One is cheap, will score well, but won't play
One is cheap, will play, but won't score
One is not as cheap, will play, and (probably) won't score

 

[Dan12]

I'd take a 200k Wilmot or Chesser on field over a 60 from Hunt.

 

[tigs2010]

One is cheap, will score well, but won't play
One is cheap, will play, but won't score
One is not as cheap, will play, and (probably) won't score

This is exactly why my team goes from Day to Ginbey with no one in between

 

[kozi]

With Constable it's the age-old question of 'what value is a trade'? He will get dropped at some point, but it's weighing the risk of that vs the points on field/extra cash spent sacrifice of choosing someone else (e.g. Hunt or Jones).

Ideally one of Wilmot/Chesser/Cowan will emerge early rounds as being as capable a scorer as those other two (Hunt/Jones - not exactly a high bar), and those with Constable can trade him for a promising rookie on another line (or even a Weddle if he gets a gig) when he gets dropped.

Think you'd have to be confident he'd last 4-5 weeks to even start weighing up the value of a trade vs his points. Way too risky with about 4 guys looking like they'll come back in round 2. For me that's enough to put a firm line through him

 

[happy_eagle]

With Constable it's the age-old question of 'what value is a trade'? He will get dropped at some point, but it's weighing the risk of that vs the points on field/extra cash spent sacrifice of choosing someone else (e.g. Hunt or Jones).

Ideally one of Wilmot/Chesser/Cowan will emerge early rounds as being as capable a scorer as those other two (Hunt/Jones - not exactly a high bar), and those with Constable can trade him for a promising rookie on another line (or even a Weddle if he gets a gig) when he gets dropped.

This is why I am starting only 1 rookie in the backs (Ginbey) with Cincotta/Chesser/Wilmot on the bench as cover. Few more options become available if Constable gets dropped (can cash him in)

 

[amazingjoshy]

What are people expecting from Day? I've not really been big on him at any stage but he's somehow made his way into my team today and I don't feel good about it

 

[Exambolor]

What are people expecting from Day? I've not really been big on him at any stage but he's somehow made his way into my team today and I don't feel good about it

It’s pretty much between him and Yeo if you want a high end mid pricer. Day has the draw of playing as a full time mid this season, but it remains to be seen if he’ll hold that role and get given enough CBAs.

 

[Dan12]

What are people expecting from Day? I've not really been big on him at any stage but he's somehow made his way into my team today and I don't feel good about it

I think he goes 75. That's nowhere near enough upside for any other line, but with the terrible defence options we have it will do.

 

[kozi]

Cogs > rook and play Davey F6
Jones > Dawson

Could be a way out of the conundrum. Never liked you anyway Cogs

 

[freo_leo29]

Trying to decide whether to pay up for Andy Mcgrath and hope he scores well in a running defender role or just take Jones/Day and spend up elsewhere

I can upgrade one of Callaghan/Worpel if I do that but its so hard to pick which one

 

[Sixpence]

Day will play the year in the midfield, nothing surer. Looked great there in the practice games and provides a skillset we desperately need there.

 

[Petracca]

What are people expecting from Day? I've not really been big on him at any stage but he's somehow made his way into my team today and I don't feel good about it

Not confident in his scoring but the backline isn’t blessed with options.

For me it’s him v an extra rook in the backline. I just feel with the number of defender rooks it’s not as risky to hope that one of them score close enough to him.

 

[kozi]

Day will play the year in the midfield, nothing surer. Looked great there in the practice games and provides a skillset we desperately need there.

If he was 400k he'd be an absolute lock
Not sure at 537, priced at 60 probably goes 75-80 and becomes a middling pick. Lack of options the main thing that makes him appeal

 

[JDWCE]

If he was 400k he'd be an absolute lock
Not sure at 537, priced at 60 probably goes 75-80 and becomes a middling pick. Lack of options the main thing that makes him appeal

Kinda reminds me of McInerney from swans last year. Lack of rookie options so we all selected him and he was a bust. Don’t think Day will be a bust by any means but not sure he can hit 80+ as a mid. Hard to get a read on him just yet