List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[Giant Strides]

O'Sullivan will end up a top 10 Pick I reckon, he's similar athletically to Gibcus, same strength aerially but a better lockdown player and cleaner disposal. Seems to be somewhat against the grain thinking atm but for mine he's a better genuine KPD prospect than Curtin. If we end up with two picks between 5 and 10 I'd love us to prioritise him as that Davis replacement long term, would allow Alleer to play in the Haynes mould aswell

Those are exactly my thoughts too!

As well as being athletic, he's a solid lad & 198 cms, so hopefully he'll grow to take the KPFs in the Hawkins mould.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Article that states Max Gruzewski could be the next Jacob van Rooyen. I hope he gets to debut sometime this season and show us his skills

The young Demon's aerial dominance, exciting potential, key-position flexibility and development through the VFL draw similar comparisons to that of GWS rookie Max Gruzewski, who traded Victoria for Sydney's west last November as the first selection on night two of the 2022 National Draft.

Do GWS have the next 'Roo'-in-waiting?

The Demons have been rewarded for their patience this year, and the Giants could follow suit.

www.zerohanger.com

 

[Giant Strides]

I feel we are pretty good down back at the moment.

Taylor, Buckley and HH being our talls, Idun our Hybrid and Aleer next in line.

For me, Id be looking for some players that can play on the inside and outside. Not that they grow on trees.

And who's developing behind those, once Davis & Keeffe are gone?

Just Fleeton, and he's pretty short in KPD terms. We still haven't seen what Aleer's best role is - can he be that No 1 or 2 KPD (or even just No 2), or is he a Haynes-style intercepting defender. Arguably, HH is similar in style too.

So my concern is failing to cover all bases in the squad if we go "all in" on someone early draft. Which is also why I'd be reluctant to trade out 2 (or worse, 3) first round picks for Reid or Watson. IMHO, O'Sullivan can be the No 1 defender, which is a gap behind Sam Taylor. And we can also get an inside/outside midfielder (quality depending on exactly where our picks fall).

 

[PMBangers]

I feel we are pretty good down back at the moment.

Taylor, Buckley and HH being our talls, Idun our Hybrid and Aleer next in line.

I guess it doesnt take to much from there to be one short.

For me, Id be looking for some players that can play on the inside and outside. Not that they grow on trees.

Probably looking at a Duursma or McKercher then for balanced midfielders that damage consistently. Duursma I'm still really high on, think he'd be the perfect Kelly replacement down the line, without the dual sided kicking

 

[sydney_gws]

And who's developing behind those, once Davis & Keeffe are gone?

Just Fleeton, and he's pretty short in KPD terms. We still haven't seen what Aleer's best role is - can he be that No 1 or 2 KPD (or even just No 2), or is he a Haynes-style intercepting defender. Arguably, HH is similar in style too.

So my concern is failing to cover all bases in the squad if we go "all in" on someone early draft. Which is also why I'd be reluctant to trade out 2 (or worse, 3) first round picks for Reid or Watson. IMHO, O'Sullivan can be the No 1 defender, which is a gap behind Sam Taylor. And we can also get an inside/outside midfielder (quality depending on exactly where our picks fall).

I agree, or if we do trade for 1 no more than 2r1s, a future r2.

 

[Giant Strides]

I agree, or if we do trade for 1 no more than 2r1s, a future r2.

Yes, I'll not say "never" - you've always got to analyse the situation when all facts are known. And I do think Watson would be handy, although I'm of a view that we actually have a full quota of small forwards (in fact, we're oversubscribed). But we need to be cognisant of the whole-of-list needs, and think 3 to 5 years ahead.

 

[GWS Goose]

Probably looking at a Duursma or McKercher then for balanced midfielders that damage consistently. Duursma I'm still really high on, think he'd be the perfect Kelly replacement down the line, without the dual sided kicking

those 2 and wilson I like the look of from my limited viewing/knowledge. I also like Watson if he was to sneak to us.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

For what's it worth, rather then looking to trade up for Reid, or Watson who I actually don't see getting picked up in the top 5. I would rather we target O'Sullivan and Caddy with our 2 first rounders. Mind you Caddy is coming with a bit of a bullet so might be out of reach.

 

[Giant Strides]

For what's it worth, rather then looking to trade up for Reid, or Watson who I actually don't see getting picked up in the top 5. I would rather we target O'Sullivan and Caddy with our 2 first rounders. Mind you Caddy is coming with a bit of a bullet so might be out of reach.

If we retain both HH & Riccardi, I don't see the need for Caddy. But if we lose HH (or both), he would seem a logical option, although we still have Derksen and Gruzewski who haven't even been tried at AFL level (but numbers-wise, losing 2 x KPFs would indicate the need for at least one replacement). However, as you say, I suspect Caddy is well gone by our pick (and again, I don't believe that we should trade multiple picks to get him). I should think Norths and Hawks would both want him, and apparently Carlton are all over him too (although goodness knows why, when they have Curnow and McKay).

I can see scenarios where Watson doesn't go in the top 5 (including GCS matching on Walter), in which case if we've got #5 (falling to #6 if/after the Walter bid/match), he could fall into our hands. There is a risk, though, that a team such as Sydney jumps early on O'Sullivan as a need, and we miss out on him.

This year's draft is looking hard to read (for me at least), with a lot of permutations in terms of the players, the clubs, ratings & needs.

 

[sydney_gws]

If we retain both HH & Riccardi, I don't see the need for Caddy. But if we lose HH (or both), he would seem a logical option, although we still have Derksen and Gruzewski who haven't even been tried at AFL level (but numbers-wise, losing 2 x KPFs would indicate the need for at least one replacement). However, as you say, I suspect Caddy is well gone by our pick (and again, I don't believe that we should trade multiple picks to get him). I should think Norths and Hawks would both want him, and apparently Carlton are all over him too (although goodness knows why, when they have Curnow and McKay).

I can see scenarios where Watson doesn't go in the top 5 (including GCS matching on Walter), in which case if we've got #5 (falling to #6 if/after the Walter bid/match), he could fall into our hands. There is a risk, though, that a team such as Sydney jumps early on O'Sullivan as a need, and we miss out on him.

This year's draft is looking hard to read (for me at least), with a lot of permutations in terms of the players, the clubs, ratings & needs.

Hopefully we do alot better than last year.
Traded 3,12 for 1 when we didn't need to, we could have waited this year to get a KPF.
Also pick 15 was wasted ( swans being bastards not Withstanding) to some degree.

 

[Colonial]

Fingers crossed we don’t do this.

 

[sydney_gws]

Fingers crossed we don’t do this.

Not 5,6,7. We could do 5,6,7,2024r2 for 1,eagles 2024r1.

 

[Colonial]

And even more stupidly.
Binga in the trade.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Soooo, Lachie Ash, Brent Daniels

16

Brent Daniels

Age

25

Ht

172cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.4

3star

D

10.3

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.9

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

9.0

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.8

4star

AND pick 5 for Harley Reid.



seriously - this was published - in an actual paper that people have to pay money to read. These people would be laughed out of Bay 13 for this s#*t.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Soooo, Lachie Ash, Brent Daniels AND pick 5 for Harley Reid.



seriously - this was published - in an actual paper that people have to pay money to read. These people would be laughed out of Bay 13 for this s#*t.

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Sum of the rubbish from these media “experts” on what we would give to get Reid is just delusional. Next they’ll be having us offer up Toby to get Reid!

 

[dlanod]

Soooo, Lachie Ash, Brent Daniels AND pick 5 for Harley Reid.



seriously - this was published - in an actual paper that people have to pay money to read. These people would be laughed out of Bay 13 for this s#*t.

That's the paper looking for BS opinions to sell itself. Recruiters aren't list managers. I've met several, most are glorified draft watchers (though generally good enough within that area of expertise) so their opinion on what a player is worth or going to get in a trade is beyond irrelevant.

 

[Giant Strides]

Borrowed from elsewhere ... some commentary on potential McKay move to Essendon; they have a warchest and a need for a big KPD. Would give Norths band 1 compo (so pick #3, straight after their #2) and push everyone else's picks back.

 

[Giant Pete]

Borrowed from elsewhere ... some commentary on potential McKay move to Essendon; they have a warchest and a need for a big KPD. Would give Norths band 1 compo (so pick #3, straight after their #2) and push everyone else's picks back.

Would it be band 1 for sure? He sure hasn’t been great thus far… even considering he’s been in a terrible side.

 

[dlanod]

Would it be band 1 for sure? He sure hasn’t been great thus far… even considering he’s been in a terrible side.

Depends on the cash he goes for. Doubt he'll bother moving to Essendon unless it's a big deal.

 

[Giant Strides]

Would it be band 1 for sure? He sure hasn’t been great thus far… even considering he’s been in a terrible side.

Depends on the cash he goes for. Doubt he'll bother moving to Essendon unless it's a big deal.

The point of the article is that Bombers would pay an amount to ensure it is Band 1. Otherwise Norths would match and force a trade - which is to Essendon's disadvantage. As the article states, they would pay the extra $, which they have capacity to do, to ensure smooth passage.

It's the same playbook as Lions did to get Daniher, and Bombers got their Band 1 compensation pick. (And then promptly extended him for less $ per year.)

It's also what we've discussed in respect of HH - we'd want whichever club wants him to ensure Band 1 with a big $$ contract, or we'll match.

I agree that McKay's overall performance (outside of a decent 2022) and injury history should not be worthy of an $800k-ish contract; but that's overridden by the tactical manoeuvring around TPP & draft picks.

 

[Land of the Giants]

It's also what we've discussed in respect of HH - we'd want whichever club wants him to ensure Band 1 with a big $$ contract, or we'll match.

Damien Barrett thinks Himmelberg will be gone by year's end if he hasn't committed to us by now, and that the Swans are interested.

 

[Orange crush]

I stopped in disbelief at Damien Barrett thinks ……

 

[Giant Strides]

I agree.

Unfortunately, it's a 50% call, so he could end up with the "correct call", albeit having zero insight.

I do hope he's wrong though.

 

[Giant Pete]

I really don’t mind if he goes… we will be over compensated. Getting top ten pick for him is a great outcome.

 

[Orange crush]

I really don’t mind if he goes… we will be over compensated. Getting top ten pick for him is a great outcome.

I agree but I’d like the revolving door to slow down sooner than later and keep our nsw boys