List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

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Trade Period, October 6–18
  • Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
  • Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm
Quiet Period, October 19–November 20
  • Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
  • List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
  • Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
  • Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
  • List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm


Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):
  • Lachie ASH
  • Callan WARD (Free Agent)
  • Brayden PREUSS
  • Tom GREEN
  • Finn CALLAGHAN
  • Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
  • Jake RICCARDI
  • Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
  • Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
  • Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
  • Xavier O'HALLORAN
  • Jack BUCKLEY
  • Callum BROWN
Rookie lists:
  • Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
  • Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
  • Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
  • Cooper HAMILTON
  • Wade DERKSEN
  • Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
  • Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)
Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):
  • main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
  • rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
  • rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
  • total = 44 minus 5
This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAMESURNAMESTATESTATE LEAGUE CLUBCOMMUNITY CLUB
LachlanCaborNSW/ACTSydney Swans AcademyShellharbour
NateCaddyVIC MNorthern KnightsYarrambat
JackCallinanTASTasmania DevilsClarence
CaidenClearyNSW/ACTSydney Swans AcademySydney University
DanielCurtinWAClaremontWest Coast
JackDeleanSASouth AdelaideReynella
ZaneDuursmaVIC CGippsland PowerFoster
MitchellEdwardsWAPeel ThunderSouth Mandurah
WilliamGreenVIC MNorthern KnightsNorthcote
RileyHardemanWASwan DistrictsCaversham
WilliamLorenzVIC MOakleigh ChargersBoroondara Hawks
KaneMcAuliffeSANorth AdelaideCentral Augusta
ColbyMcKercherTASTasmania DevilsLaunceston
AshtonMoirSAGlenelgPlympton
ConnorO'SullivanNSW/ACTMurray BushrangersAlbury
WilliamPattonSAWest AdelaideMitcham
NathanPhilactidesVIC MOakleigh ChargersBlackburn
EthanReadQLDGold Coast Suns AcademyPalm Beach Currumbin
ArcherReidVIC CGippsland PowerInverloch-Kongwak
HarleyReidVIC CBendigo PioneersTongala
ArchieRobertsVIC MSandringham DragonsHampton Rovers
JakeRogersQLDGold Coast Suns AcademyBroadbeach
RyleySandersTASSandringham DragonsNorth Launceston
CooperSimpsonVIC CDandenong StingraysMount Martha
GeorgeStevensVIC CGWV RebelsSouth Warrnambool
KoltynTholstrupWASubiacoNewtown-Condingup
OrlandoTurnerNTWest AdelaideSouth Alice Springs
JedWalterQLDGold Coast Suns AcademyPalm Beach Currumbin
NickWatsonVIC MEastern RangesEast Ringwood
DarcyWilsonVIC CMurray BushrangersWangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list :thumbsu:
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)
 
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Giant Pete said:
Just prioritise… eg. Briggs.
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Harry is a 187cm, kicking player trapped in a 195cm body. His contest work is below average.
How many times have you seen him take a contested mark against a player of his own size. Add to that, I’ve seen him get outmarked so often.
If he didn’t have great kicking he wouldn’t be on the list.
He doesn’t provide run… doesn’t have a great tank.
He can take a fantastic hangar if no one is on him. That’s why he can’t be a one or two forward.
I’d rather us use the money to spend on Briggs.
 
Land of the Giants said:
Damien Barrett thinks Himmelberg will be gone by year's end if he hasn't committed to us by now, and that the Swans are interested.
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Barrett has thought a lot of things in the past, barely ever correct.

Not saying he won’t leave but Barret isn’t the final nail
 

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Giant Pete said:
I really don’t mind if he goes… we will be over compensated. Getting top ten pick for him is a great outcome.
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yes and no.
Agree top 10 is excellent compensation. Continues the cycle of continuing bringing in lots of early picks, but being a little young all the time and struggling to fit all the kids in.

Pros and cons either way.
 
Giant Pete said:
Harry is a 187cm, kicking player trapped in a 195cm body. His contest work is below average.
How many times have you seen him take a contested mark against a player of his own size. Add to that, I’ve seen him get outmarked so often.
If he didn’t have great kicking he wouldn’t be on the list.
He doesn’t provide run… doesn’t have a great tank.
He can take a fantastic hangar if no one is on him. That’s why he can’t be a one or two forward.
I’d rather us use the money to spend on Briggs.
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I think he is a lot better than that.
 
We might hear some re-signing news in the next month or so but personally not at all confident that either of Himmelberg or Riccardi re-sign.
Also seems that the club lacks faith in Derksen developing.

So if that's the case you would think we would look at a key forward option with one of our first rounders, and to also take McCormack as an academy selection later in the draft.
 
captainMyCaptain said:
We might hear some re-signing news in the next month or so but personally not at all confident that either of Himmelberg or Riccardi re-sign.
Also seems that the club lacks faith in Derksen developing.

So if that's the case you would think we would look at a key forward option with one of our first rounders, and to also take McCormack as an academy selection later in the draft.
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Hearing that Hawks are coming hard for Riccardi (although their posters aren't convinced, and to them he's a short-term & expendable option). HH's suitors' have been well documented.
 
captainMyCaptain said:
We might hear some re-signing news in the next month or so but personally not at all confident that either of Himmelberg or Riccardi re-sign.
Also seems that the club lacks faith in Derksen developing.

So if that's the case you would think we would look at a key forward option with one of our first rounders, and to also take McCormack as an academy selection later in the draft.
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Don’t think we’ll be losing HH, Riccardi and Derksen. That makes no sense.
 

Unfortunately, these sorts of stories feed the morons on some boards (Hawks, Norths looking at you!) who think we'll hand over our first round pick for them to take him off our hands! A good player and an early pick! Morons (read the ****ing story properly!!)!!

GWS has shown no inclination to trade the talented Whitfield and has significantly improved its salary cap position after losing Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper, Tanner Bruhn and Bobby Hill last off-season.

But Whitfield’s situation is vastly different to Bowes given he is well established at GWS and they have cap space to retain him even as his salary hits $1.1 million or more next year.
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Greater Western Sydney half back Lachie Whitfield has emerged as a trade target for rival clubs as they consider whether they could absorb his significant back-ended salary. Whitfield’s lucrative seven-year contract running through to 2027 is believed to average around $900,000 a season but in the next two years hits a figure above $1.1 million. The Herald Sun understands clubs have asked about his contract position and inquired about whether absorbing most of his salary would allow them to secure him without giving back an early pick in return.

GWS has shown no inclination to trade the talented Whitfield and has significantly improved its salary cap position after losing Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper, Tanner Bruhn and Bobby Hill last off-season. But while Whitfield has enjoyed a solid year after battling through much of 2022 with a serious ankle injury he has not been at his eye-catching, line-breaking best under new coach Adam Kingsley. Whitfield has featured in the AFLCA coaches votes only once this year when he was awarded six coaches votes for his performance in the GMHBA Stadium win over the Cats in round 11.

Clubs would have to believe they are in the premiership window to make a play for Whitfield given he turns 29 next month. Clubs with vast cap space including Hawthorn, Essendon and North Melbourne would be less inclined to make a play for him given his age and their age demographics. Hawthorn is one club interested in the kind of Jack Bowes salary cap dump that could see them securing an early pick to take on the salary of a rival player. But Whitfield’s situation is vastly different to Bowes given he is well established at GWS and they have cap space to retain him even as his salary hits $1.1 million or more next year.
 

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Giant Strides said:

Unfortunately, these sorts of stories feed the morons on some boards (Hawks, Norths looking at you!) who think we'll hand over our first round pick for them to take him off our hands! A good player and an early pick! Morons (read the ******* story properly!!)!!

GWS has shown no inclination to trade the talented Whitfield and has significantly improved its salary cap position after losing Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper, Tanner Bruhn and Bobby Hill last off-season.

But Whitfield’s situation is vastly different to Bowes given he is well established at GWS and they have cap space to retain him even as his salary hits $1.1 million or more next year.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Greater Western Sydney half back Lachie Whitfield has emerged as a trade target for rival clubs as they consider whether they could absorb his significant back-ended salary. Whitfield’s lucrative seven-year contract running through to 2027 is believed to average around $900,000 a season but in the next two years hits a figure above $1.1 million. The Herald Sun understands clubs have asked about his contract position and inquired about whether absorbing most of his salary would allow them to secure him without giving back an early pick in return.

GWS has shown no inclination to trade the talented Whitfield and has significantly improved its salary cap position after losing Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper, Tanner Bruhn and Bobby Hill last off-season. But while Whitfield has enjoyed a solid year after battling through much of 2022 with a serious ankle injury he has not been at his eye-catching, line-breaking best under new coach Adam Kingsley. Whitfield has featured in the AFLCA coaches votes only once this year when he was awarded six coaches votes for his performance in the GMHBA Stadium win over the Cats in round 11.

Clubs would have to believe they are in the premiership window to make a play for Whitfield given he turns 29 next month. Clubs with vast cap space including Hawthorn, Essendon and North Melbourne would be less inclined to make a play for him given his age and their age demographics. Hawthorn is one club interested in the kind of Jack Bowes salary cap dump that could see them securing an early pick to take on the salary of a rival player. But Whitfield’s situation is vastly different to Bowes given he is well established at GWS and they have cap space to retain him even as his salary hits $1.1 million or more next year.
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All the article is saying is that shitty vic clubs want a free ride like the cats got for a muncher better player that isn’t up for trade.

I mean where do we sign up and attach our 3 first rounders to the deal in exchange for pick 58 and some salary cap relief that we don’t need 🤷‍♂️
 
GWS Goose said:
yes and no.
Agree top 10 is excellent compensation. Continues the cycle of continuing bringing in lots of early picks, but being a little young all the time and struggling to fit all the kids in.

Pros and cons either way.
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I don't think that either us or North deserve a top 10 pick for Himmelberg or McKay. I think there will be pressure from the other clubs for that to be the case.
 
captainMyCaptain said:
We might hear some re-signing news in the next month or so but personally not at all confident that either of Himmelberg or Riccardi re-sign.
Also seems that the club lacks faith in Derksen developing.

So if that's the case you would think we would look at a key forward option with one of our first rounders, and to also take McCormack as an academy selection later in the draft.
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If himmelberg leaves, more money for Riccardi. Why doesn't riccardi resign? Are we only offering say 2 years at 250k a year or something?
 
JC100 said:
All the article is saying is that shitty vic clubs want a free ride like the cats got for a muncher better player that isn’t up for trade.

I mean where do we sign up and attach our 3 first rounders to the deal in exchange for pick 58 and some salary cap relief that we don’t need 🤷‍♂️
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If they want him, we should at least get a future 2nd.
 
sydney_gws said:
I don't think that either us or North deserve a top 10 pick for Himmelberg or McKay. I think there will be pressure from the other clubs for that to be the case.
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They need to stop paying these guys stupid salaries to lure them out then. The easiest way to not generate the compensation is to not recruit the player .
 
Hey Giant Strides, is the salary cap still tight or has it eased after losing Taranto and Hopper?

Just noting in last weeks Herald Sun article, Giants had 7 players on or over the $700,000 mark and two over $1m.

That is a lot considering we aren't sure what Hogan, Tom Greene and the next batch of guys have or are signing on for.

Salary cap is still $13.2m?
 
I heard Toby Greene is on $4 million a year from Damo at the local last night, were gonna have to salary dump Kelly, Cogs, Whitfield, Taylor and Callaghan now!!!!
 
Yoda_ said:
Hey Giant Strides, is the salary cap still tight or has it eased after losing Taranto and Hopper?

Just noting in last weeks Herald Sun article, Giants had 7 players on or over the $700,000 mark and two over $1m.

That is a lot considering we aren't sure what Hogan, Tom Greene and the next batch of guys have or are signing on for.

Salary cap is still $13.2m?
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Hogan is on sfa.
 
Giant Strides said:

Unfortunately, these sorts of stories feed the morons on some boards (Hawks, Norths looking at you!) who think we'll hand over our first round pick for them to take him off our hands! A good player and an early pick! Morons (read the ******* story properly!!)!!

GWS has shown no inclination to trade the talented Whitfield and has significantly improved its salary cap position after losing Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper, Tanner Bruhn and Bobby Hill last off-season.

But Whitfield’s situation is vastly different to Bowes given he is well established at GWS and they have cap space to retain him even as his salary hits $1.1 million or more next year.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Greater Western Sydney half back Lachie Whitfield has emerged as a trade target for rival clubs as they consider whether they could absorb his significant back-ended salary. Whitfield’s lucrative seven-year contract running through to 2027 is believed to average around $900,000 a season but in the next two years hits a figure above $1.1 million. The Herald Sun understands clubs have asked about his contract position and inquired about whether absorbing most of his salary would allow them to secure him without giving back an early pick in return.

GWS has shown no inclination to trade the talented Whitfield and has significantly improved its salary cap position after losing Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper, Tanner Bruhn and Bobby Hill last off-season. But while Whitfield has enjoyed a solid year after battling through much of 2022 with a serious ankle injury he has not been at his eye-catching, line-breaking best under new coach Adam Kingsley. Whitfield has featured in the AFLCA coaches votes only once this year when he was awarded six coaches votes for his performance in the GMHBA Stadium win over the Cats in round 11.

Clubs would have to believe they are in the premiership window to make a play for Whitfield given he turns 29 next month. Clubs with vast cap space including Hawthorn, Essendon and North Melbourne would be less inclined to make a play for him given his age and their age demographics. Hawthorn is one club interested in the kind of Jack Bowes salary cap dump that could see them securing an early pick to take on the salary of a rival player. But Whitfield’s situation is vastly different to Bowes given he is well established at GWS and they have cap space to retain him even as his salary hits $1.1 million or more next year.
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Straight from bigfooty.
 
PMBangers said:
I heard Toby Greene is on $4 million a year from Damo at the local last night, were gonna have to salary dump Kelly, Cogs, Whitfield, Taylor and Callaghan now!!!!
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we'll give you Sam Draper and Zac Merret for Callaghan, Greene and Ash and your first born

where do I sign?
 

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