List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[Colonial]

Then why play a clearly leas developed player in Cadman to Derksen. That might annoy him.

Maybe because we have more faith in Cadman? I don’t know not the coach.

But the original point of it’s not up to is wether we keep them all still stands. On the players too.

 

[Giant Strides]

Hey Giant Strides, is the salary cap still tight or has it eased after losing Taranto and Hopper?

Just noting in last weeks Herald Sun article, Giants had 7 players on or over the $700,000 mark and two over $1m.

That is a lot considering we aren't sure what Hogan, Tom Greene and the next batch of guys have or are signing on for.

Salary cap is still $13.2m?

A few others have responded, but I'm dubious about some of the figures quoted, or at least they're more at the bottom level for some rather than everyone at the top of the range. Salary cap will go up this year ... if the agreement is ever signed off ... but no-one knows for sure what's written in contracts about moving with those changes. However, as another article noted, GWS isn't actually trying to hawk Whitfield to other clubs, and does not have a significant TPP problem. I think we'll be tight-ish, without capacity to go out and rip someone away from another club, but not so tight to have to be offloading players.

In any case, if we were tight, Himmelberg would be the first guy we'd let go for FA, but we're actively seeking to keep him.

So, I doubt that we're "in TPP trouble" as a few posters seem to want to think.

 

[Maximus 2011]

I am so so so glad we didn't draft Mac Andrew at pick #5 in 2021.

 

[Orange crush]

I am so so so glad we didn't draft Mac Andrew at pick #5 in 2021.

Yep I’ve posted before that he looks way off …. Not saying he won’t make but his attitude seems poor as well

 

[Giant Pete]

Listened to the Squinters podcast with Milky… good mates with Harley Reid and said Harley wouldn’t mind at all if he landed at Giants.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Listened to the Squinters podcast with Milky… good mates with Harley Reid and said Harley wouldn’t mind at all if he landed at Giants.

Could be similar to Whitfield in that he was actually looking forward to coming to the giants because he had so many mates already at the club.

Also nice work by milky in being best mates with both Cadman and Reid, and might even aid him in getting an extra rookie contract.

 

[Giant Pete]

Could be similar to Whitfield in that he was actually looking forward to coming to the giants because he had so many mates already at the club.

Also nice work by milky in being best mates with both Cadman and Reid, and might even aid him in getting an extra rookie contract.

The Milkman delivers.

 

[PaythePerryman]

Love some signatures starting to come through about now.
Surely Ash and Riccardi get done, Himmelberg I worry about.
Every year we lose a quality player.

 

[GWS Goose]

XOH is another that Id like to see ree-signed

 

[captainMyCaptain]

XOH is another that Id like to see ree-signed

Same and personally would rather see XOH, Brown and extending Briggs early as more needed then new deals for Ash or Himmelberg.

 

[JC100]

Same and personally would rather see XOH, Brown and extending Briggs early as more needed then new deals for Ash or Himmelberg.
I think the importance of Ash’s signature has has been massively underrated. He is on the brink of exploding. I’d say the current game plan will be helping us in convincing him to re-sign

 

[Maximus 2011]

Listened to the Squinters podcast with Milky… good mates with Harley Reid and said Harley wouldn’t mind at all if he landed at Giants.

What did you think of the episode mate?

 

[PaythePerryman]

What did you think of the episode mate?

Best ep to date

 

[Maximus 2011]

Best ep to date

How good was Gilbee! What a lad

 

[JC100]

What did you think of the episode mate?

Bet you were itching to get more involved.

Really good guest and you and the boys were able draw out some interesting insights from the young lad.

Would be good to hear from him again later in the season particularly if we do chase pick 1 for Reid.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Love some signatures starting to come through about now.
Surely Ash and Riccardi get done, Himmelberg I worry about.
Every year we lose a quality player.

Himmelberg has had our formal offer for weeks now, so you would assume that he’s still negotiating with us? Ash said that he was going to talk to his agent during the bye week.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

some trade rumours from Fox

Tall utility Harry Himmelberg and classy halfback Lachie Ash both remain out of contract as the trade and free agency period quickly approaches, but Kingsley says he is still “comfortable” with where talks sit with the pair and hopeful of keeping both on his list.

The Giants are also yet to re-sign Jake Riccardi, who could attract significant rival interest after standing up with three goals in the stirring round 11 win over Geelong and booting five against Fremantle a fortnight ago. Hawthorn has been linked to the 2019 draftee.

Matthew Flynn and Braydon Preuss

11

Braydon Preuss

Age

29

Ht

207cm

Wt

118kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.1

2star

K

6.1

2star

HB

3.1

3star

CL

1.9

4star

HO

20.9

5star

No current season stats available

D

9.8

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.4

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

26.2

5star

are also out of contract, with both likely to be targeted by other clubs looking for big men as new GWS first choice Kieren Briggs rockets towards the top bracket of ruckmen in the league

Xavier O’Halloran signed a one-year deal until the end of 2023 when he was left in limbo over the off-season last year, but a breakout season at half-forward and on the wing has him certain to secure an extension.

‘Haven’t got their signatures yet’: Giants’ triple trouble as another trade raid looms

‘Haven’t got their signatures yet’: Giants’ triple trouble as another trade raid looms

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Maximus 2011]

some trade rumours from Fox

Tall utility Harry Himmelberg and classy halfback Lachie Ash both remain out of contract as the trade and free agency period quickly approaches, but Kingsley says he is still “comfortable” with where talks sit with the pair and hopeful of keeping both on his list.

The Giants are also yet to re-sign Jake Riccardi, who could attract significant rival interest after standing up with three goals in the stirring round 11 win over Geelong and booting five against Fremantle a fortnight ago. Hawthorn has been linked to the 2019 draftee.

Matthew Flynn and Braydon Preuss are also out of contract, with both likely to be targeted by other clubs looking for big men as new GWS first choice Kieren Briggs rockets towards the top bracket of ruckmen in the league

Xavier O’Halloran signed a one-year deal until the end of 2023 when he was left in limbo over the off-season last year, but a breakout season at half-forward and on the wing has him certain to secure an extension.

‘Haven’t got their signatures yet’: Giants’ triple trouble as another trade raid looms

‘Haven’t got their signatures yet’: Giants’ triple trouble as another trade raid looms

www.foxsports.com.au

The way I see it.... If we lose Himmelberg I think I can take that. Seems his spot is as an intercepting half back flank now and we have Haynes still playing decent football and a young Leek Aleer plying his trade in the ressies who will be pushing to get in the team as soon as the end of the year. If we lose Himmelberg we will likely gain another first round draft pick.

Lachie Ash, I would love to keep him. BUT, we also have ready made replacements for him in Isaac Cumming as well as Josh Fahey developing in the reserves. Again we will get a first round draft pick for him.

X.O. is having an amazing season and I think we would offer him a 2 year extension.

Flynn and Preuss I feel at least one will leave maybe Flynn to another club probably for a pick in the 50's and Preuss hopefully we can get him rookie listed like we did with Phil Davis this year.

 

[Giant Pete]

The way I see it.... If we lose Himmelberg I think I can take that. Seems his spot is as an intercepting half back flank now and we have Haynes still playing decent football and a young Leek Aleer plying his trade in the ressies who will be pushing to get in the team as soon as the end of the year. If we lose Himmelberg we will likely gain another first round draft pick.

Lachie Ash, I would love to keep him. BUT, we also have ready made replacements for him in Isaac Cumming as well as Josh Fahey developing in the reserves. Again we will get a first round draft pick for him.

X.O. is having an amazing season and I think we would offer him a 2 year extension.

Flynn and Preuss I feel at least one will leave maybe Flynn to another club probably for a pick in the 50's and Preuss hopefully we can get him rookie listed like we did with Phil Davis this year.

Yep… Fahey would step straight in for Ash

 

[Gigantic]

Brown re-signs to 2025

Irishman Signs On

Callum Brown has signed a two-year contract extension.

www.gwsgiants.com.au

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Brown re-signs to 2025

Irishman Signs On

Callum Brown has signed a two-year contract extension.

www.gwsgiants.com.au

Great news! Felt bad for him when he couldn’t play a game as the sub on his official debut. His last year on the current contract, will be the same as Kingsley’s whose contract with us also expires at the end of 2025

 

[PaythePerryman]

Yep… Fahey would step straight in for Ash

Ash is much better than Fahey....much much better.

 

[Giant Pete]

Ash is much better than Fahey....much much better.

Fahey hasn’t had opportunity to show his wares yet. I see his ceiling higher.

 

[Colonial]

AFL 360: Adam Kingsley

Adam Kingsley goes on AFL 360 to discuss the GIANTS win over Melbourne in round 16.

www.gwsgiants.com.au

interesting comments from Kingers. Especially around our cap. Says it has been mishandled in the past but its ok now.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Brown re-signs to 2025

Irishman Signs On

Callum Brown has signed a two-year contract extension.

www.gwsgiants.com.au

So good, he’s been a revelation and has untapped ability. The best athlete in the club and learning the game and developing beautifully!