List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[Danny88]

If north get 2,3 AND access to sanders that’s a joke

Even worse that the afl public seems to have accepted it

 

[PaythePerryman]

Great that we extended Briggs from 2024 to 2026- great work by our club.

But yet no news about Flynn and Preuss - both their contracts expire at the end of the year. Signs not looking good for Flynn staying then? Suspect if Flynn goes, Preuss gets a year’s extension.

Flynn not even one of the extended bench so you'd imagine he's done

 

[Brave New World]

Flynn not even one of the extended bench so you'd imagine he's done

Not sure I would assume that just yet. AK's playing style does use two ruck types, the second as a relief and big presence in the forward line. Keeffe is holding down the second one at this time and given his age, we are yet to see if the club believes he has another full year at his current level (which to be fair has been very good at playing his designated role). So there maybe a vacancy next year. Further, Preuss does have a history of injury. Also would Flynn get the first ruck role at another club or be simply moving to another pace where he is still in the queue. Flynn maybe able to have a big preseason and readjust his style to the Keeffe role if the Club decides to not re-contract the latter. I feel confident that whatever happens AK will deal with it honestly/honorably; that seems to be part of the culture of this team.

 

[dlanod]

Great that we extended Briggs from 2024 to 2026- great work by our club.

But yet no news about Flynn and Preuss - both their contracts expire at the end of the year. Signs not looking good for Flynn staying then? Suspect if Flynn goes, Preuss gets a year’s extension.

There's no real benefit to them re-signing at this point if all we're offering is minimal (which is probably the case for a clear backup ruck).

Might as well test the waters, see if anyone else wants them, and then come back if needs be. I doubt our offer would change much. That's assuming we're interested in bringing them back of course.

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

Pardon for the intrusion. Hope you win tomorrow, maybe even the flag although Collingwood, Brisbane will be alot tougher than Port I think.
You guys have done very well with future firsts , getting picks 2,6 in recent years.
What would you offer for Geelongs 2024r1?
Pick 6 perhaps, or if you traded 6 for 10,17 to bulldogs could we do
Geelong 2024r1 for 10,gws 2024r2.

 

[Orange crush]

Pardon for the intrusion. Hope you win tomorrow, maybe even the flag although Collingwood, Brisbane will be alot tougher than Port I think.
You guys have done very well with future firsts , getting picks 2,6 in recent years.
What would you offer for Geelongs 2024r1?
Pick 6 perhaps, or if you traded 6 for 10,17 to bulldogs could we do
Geelong 2024r1 for 10,gws 2024r2.

6 for your f1 is bad business …. We’d need another pick under 20 back

 

[dlanod]

Pick 6 is way too early to give up for a gamble.

Pick 10 + something else is even worse.

 

[GWS Goose]

If north get 2,3 AND access to sanders that’s a joke

Even worse that the afl public seems to have accepted it

They are unrelated though.
the 3 is a compensation pick for McKay (if it pans out that way)
Sanders would be an assistant package (in lieu of a pick)
Given how rubbish they have been for 5 years, an assistance package is probably ok, it just feels worse if they also get a compensation pick of 3 for McKay (which feels too high in its own right anyway)

 

[Giant Strides]

Pardon for the intrusion. Hope you win tomorrow, maybe even the flag although Collingwood, Brisbane will be alot tougher than Port I think.
You guys have done very well with future firsts , getting picks 2,6 in recent years.
What would you offer for Geelongs 2024r1?
Pick 6 perhaps, or if you traded 6 for 10,17 to bulldogs could we do
Geelong 2024r1 for 10,gws 2024r2.

I think the big problem is prognosticating where Geelong will finish in 2024. If they rebound, then #6 could be traded for a future mid-teen pick - which isn't a good outcome for GWS. Geelong might press the point that they could stay around their current level ... but it's a matter of how much risk is the list management team prepared to take?

Ditto trading our own pick plus a 2024 round 2 pick - could be well overs.

So, personally I wouldn't do either of those deals. Not worth the risk.

 

[GWS Goose]

Flynn not even one of the extended bench so you'd imagine he's done

it'll be either him or Preuss that goes.
How they are ranked this week will have little to do with who goes/stays. In fact, it might be completely out of our hands. One or the other may elect to elsewhere, in that case, I reckon we try and keep the other.

 

[GWS Goose]

Pardon for the intrusion. Hope you win tomorrow, maybe even the flag although Collingwood, Brisbane will be alot tougher than Port I think.
You guys have done very well with future firsts , getting picks 2,6 in recent years.
What would you offer for Geelongs 2024r1?
Pick 6 perhaps, or if you traded 6 for 10,17 to bulldogs could we do
Geelong 2024r1 for 10,gws 2024r2.

could only see us trading our second pick into the future, unless as part of a bigger trade to get 4 off Gold coast.

We may trade one of our current picks for Geelong's first (depending which one, there would be some other parts attached as Geelong's future is likely worth between our 2 2023 picks) and trade our future first and Geelong's future first for 4.

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

could only see us trading our second pick into the future, unless as part of a bigger trade to get 4 off Gold coast.

We may trade one of our current picks for Geelong's first (depending which one, there would be some other parts attached as Geelong's future is likely worth between our 2 2023 picks) and trade our future first and Geelong's future first for 4.

What do you think you offer for pick 4?
Is 4 really alot better than 6 for you?

 

[sydney_gws]

What do you think you offer for pick 4?
Is 4 really alot better than 6 for you?

Not as much as bulldogs, Melbourne, Sydney could offer so I doubt we trade up. Having said that, if Gold coast can make a mint from pick 6, then maybe we offer 6,15 for 4,2024r3.
Points wise a good win for gold Coast, they can them trade 15 for points,
6 59,60 to dogs for 10,2024r1.

Overall for gold coast,
4,59,60,2024r3 for 10,15,2024r1.
They then get to trade 10,15 for 2 seconds each at least, possibly a second and 2024r1 for 10.
Swans swap 10 for 22 , 2024r1.

 

[GWS Goose]

What do you think you offer for pick 4?
Is 4 really alot better than 6 for you?

gets us one of Dursma or McKercher most likely, that is the type we need.

probably need our future first and something else to get to 4. But we'd only trade our future first into this year if we could trade one of first rounders back into next year. It is in that scenario we might trade into Geelongs first. This is just my thought bubble with no inside knowledge or anything BTW

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

Not as much as bulldogs, Melbourne, Sydney could offer so I doubt we trade up. Having said that, if Gold coast can make a mint from pick 6, then maybe we offer 6,15 for 4,2024r3.
Points wise a good win for gold Coast, they can them trade 15 for points,
6 59,60 to dogs for 10,2024r1.

Overall for gold coast,
4,59,60,2024r3 for 10,15,2024r1.
They then get to trade 10,15 for 2 seconds each at least, possibly a second and 2024r1 for 10.
Swans swap 10 for 22 , 2024r1.

Looks like you should push hard to get 4, but talk to dogs to convince them to accept 6 at a lower cost than 4. Don't overpay for 4 and get a bit ripped off like you did in the megatrade last year.

Your pick 6 is the key to turning 4 into 2 future firsts as well as points.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

If the recent talk that Sanders is more likely to be in the open draft pool is correct, rather than being locked away to north. Then suspect we will just hold our pick as one of Watson or Sanders should still be on the board with our first selection.

 

[sydney_gws]

If the recent talk that Sanders is more likely to be in the open draft pool is correct, rather than being locked away to north. Then suspect we will just hold our pick as one of Watson or Sanders should still be on the board with our first selection.

I think that's what Kingsley and Co will do.
Both of those players are likely good fits for us going forward.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Nth will have Picks 2 and 3, the deals for McKay are all ensuring band 1 compensation. That system is broken if a hack like him can get that result.

On another matter it is slightly annoying to see the Swans using their bounty from last years draft skullduggery to bring in talent.

You will remember they tried to blackmail us into trading away future picks when their first selection came up (Either trade with them or they bid on Rowston, we match or let them have him). They are scum and show it frequently, our success is the best revenge!

 

[captainMyCaptain]

GREATER Western Sydney is eyeing a brotherly reunion, with the Giants having interest in Adelaide forward Elliott Himmelberg in this year's trade period.

Giants eye tall Crow, Sun on club radars, rivals circle Saints free agent

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

 

[Giant Strides]

Interesting tidbit ... I wouldn't have seen a lot of value in Elliott Himmelberg

34

Elliott Himmelberg

Age

26

Ht

199cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.0

4star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.0

1star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

, but maybe using him as a spare ruck/fwd, to take over from Keeffe?

Giants eye tall Crow, Sun on club radars, rivals circle Saints free agent

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

GIANTS EYE CROW​

GREATER Western Sydney is eyeing a brotherly reunion, with the Giants having interest in Adelaide forward Elliott Himmelberg in this year's trade period.

Himmelberg is the younger brother of current Giants star Harry, who re-signed this year as a free agent at the Giants on a six-year extension.

Elliott Himmelberg

34

Elliott Himmelberg

Age

26

Ht

199cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.0

4star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.0

1star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

played three games for Adelaide this year and is contracted for 2024, so a trade would need to be struck for the versatile tall/ruckman.

The 25-year-old has played 41 games for the Crows after being drafted with pick No.51 in 2016, a year after Harry was picked by the Giants as an Academy selection. – Callum Twomey and Riley Beveridge

 

[Giant Strides]

Snap!

 

[Mors]

First ever bigfooty post here.

I see E. Himmel as a ready-made replacement for Keefe (who'll probably retire soon). Especially if we lose one of Flynn or Preuss just leaves us with a little extra to fall back on

 

[Hendo_21]

Interesting tidbit ... I wouldn't have seen a lot of value in Elliott Himmelberg, but maybe using him as a spare ruck/fwd, to take over from Keeffe?

Giants eye tall Crow, Sun on club radars, rivals circle Saints free agent

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

GIANTS EYE CROW​

GREATER Western Sydney is eyeing a brotherly reunion, with the Giants having interest in Adelaide forward Elliott Himmelberg in this year's trade period.

Himmelberg is the younger brother of current Giants star Harry, who re-signed this year as a free agent at the Giants on a six-year extension.

Elliott Himmelberg played three games for Adelaide this year and is contracted for 2024, so a trade would need to be struck for the versatile tall/ruckman.

The 25-year-old has played 41 games for the Crows after being drafted with pick No.51 in 2016, a year after Harry was picked by the Giants as an Academy selection. – Callum Twomey and Riley Beveridge

Eh he's fine as depth, would come quite cheaply I'd imagine. Would have no expectations for him to be able to impact at the AFL level but as a break in case of emergency tall we could probably do worse.

 

[JC100]

Eh he's fine as depth, would come quite cheaply I'd imagine. Would have no expectations for him to be able to impact at the AFL level but as a break in case of emergency tall we could probably do worse.

Would be able to play Keefes role better than Keefe. Although hopefully next year Gruz or Cadman can play that role infinitely better.

 

[BarryAglett]

Eh he's fine as depth, would come quite cheaply I'd imagine. Would have no expectations for him to be able to impact at the AFL level but as a break in case of emergency tall we could probably do worse.

Yeah, his main attribute is...being very tall.
He'd need to show a bit more to get a run in Kingsley's system.