List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[Giant Strides]

First ever bigfooty post here.

I see E. Himmel as a ready-made replacement for Keefe (who'll probably retire soon). Especially if we lose one of Flynn or Preuss just leaves us with a little extra to fall back on

Welcome, always great to have new posters!

Has to be a moneyball situation. Looking for depth, relatively cheap $$, can cover forward, defence & ruck roles. Adelaide fans were surprised last year when he got a 2-year extension; happy to wave goodbye to him. They also seem to be looking at Chol as backup ruck option.

I wonder if there's any link to HH's contract? i.e. Sign with us and we'll get your brother in.

 

[Orange crush]

Welcome, always great to have new posters!

Has to be a moneyball situation. Looking for depth, relatively cheap $$, can cover forward, defence & ruck roles. Adelaide fans were surprised last year when he got a 2-year extension; happy to wave goodbye to him. They also seem to be looking at Chol as backup ruck option.

I wonder if there's any link to HH's contract? i.e. Sign with us and we'll get your brother in.

It's the price we must pay to get Harry re-signed I guess

 

[Giant Strides]

It's the price we must pay to get Harry re-signed I guess

Just speculating, nothing more ...

 

[Orange crush]

Just speculating, nothing more ...

I totally agree with you ...

 

[GWS Goose]

First ever bigfooty post here.

I see E. Himmel as a ready-made replacement for Keefe (who'll probably retire soon). Especially if we lose one of Flynn or Preuss just leaves us with a little extra to fall back on

That is how I see it too

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Bit of a reverse - lots of talk over the last couple of years about Himmleberg to Adelaide to join his brother. I remember posting years ago about “why does Harry have to go to Adelaide? Why can’t Elliot come to GWS to join his brother here instead?” And was rubbished at the time.

if he’s tall enough & works on his ruck chop out skills he becomes the obvious Keefe replacement

 

[Teeso]

Sam Wicks from Sydney coming out of contract end of this year. Fast player and local with endurance. Ranks highly in Sydney both for top speed and top kms covered in a match. Could be handy and cheap as a small forward. Would let us trade up for a midfielder (McKercher/Duursma) without having to consider Watson as much. Some people may say too many small forwards is a surplus role, with Jones and McMullin as well who will need time to develop, but I think under Kingsley's gameplan, these types are invaluable and necessary. Personally think 1 more is enough to cover Lloydy's retirement, but can see how exposed we were with Daniels and Bedford gone against Port a couple of weeks back.

Just some stats averages to consider for Wicks:
2021 - 22 games, 4 tackles, 19.3 pressure acts, 1.36 tackles inside forward 50, 4.18 score involvements, 0.36 goal assists, 0.7 goals
2022 - 10 games, 2.5 tackles, 15.0 pressure acts, 0.7 tackles inside forward 50, 3.50 score involvements, 0.40 goal assists, 0.4 goals
2023 - 11 games, 5.4 tackles, 18.4 pressure acts, 2.09 tackles inside forward 50, 4.64 score involvements, 1.00 goal assists, 0.91 goals

As comparison, 2023 game averages for our small forwards:
1. Bedford - 17 games, 5.2 tackles, 24.5 pressure acts, 2.12 tackles inside forward 50, 4.94 score involvements, 0.53 goal assists, 0.71 goals

2. Daniels - 18 games, 3.3 tackles, 20.3 pressure acts, 1.61 tackles inside forward 50, 6.11 score involvements, 0.94 goal assists, 1.39 goals

3. Greene - 22 games, 2.6 tackles, 14.9 pressure acts, 1.5 tackles inside forward 50, 8.23 score involvements, 1.09 goal assists, 2.77 goals

4. O'Hallaran - 13 games, 3.2 tackles, 20.3 pressure acts, 1.23 tackles inside forward 50, 4.23 score involvements, 0.38 goal assists, 0.85 goals

5. Lloyd - 21 games, 3.0 tackles, 16.5 pressure acts, 1.33 tackles inside forward 50, 3.76 score involvements, 0.57 goal assists, 0.52 goals

6. Brown - 17 games, 1.5 tackles, 8.8 pressure acts, 0.59 tackles inside forward 50, 3.76 score involvements, 0.53 goal assists, 1.06 goals

These faster players lets us keep rotating one into the midfield when we need that point of difference and injection of speed that our midfielders sometimes lack. Nice seeing Callaghan run through there though with his acceleration.

 

[Bjo187]

Sam Wicks from Sydney coming out of contract end of this year. Fast player and local with endurance. Ranks highly in Sydney both for top speed and top kms covered in a match. Could be handy and cheap as a small forward. Would let us trade up for a midfielder (McKercher/Duursma) without having to consider Watson as much. Some people may say too many small forwards is a surplus role, with Jones and McMullin as well who will need time to develop, but I think under Kingsley's gameplan, these types are invaluable and necessary. Personally think 1 more is enough to cover Lloydy's retirement, but can see how exposed we were with Daniels and Bedford gone against Port a couple of weeks back.

Just some stats averages to consider for Wicks:
2021 - 22 games, 4 tackles, 19.3 pressure acts, 1.36 tackles inside forward 50, 4.18 score involvements, 0.36 goal assists, 0.7 goals
2022 - 10 games, 2.5 tackles, 15.0 pressure acts, 0.7 tackles inside forward 50, 3.50 score involvements, 0.40 goal assists, 0.4 goals
2023 - 11 games, 5.4 tackles, 18.4 pressure acts, 2.09 tackles inside forward 50, 4.64 score involvements, 1.00 goal assists, 0.91 goals

As comparison, 2023 game averages for our small forwards:
1. Bedford - 17 games, 5.2 tackles, 24.5 pressure acts, 2.12 tackles inside forward 50, 4.94 score involvements, 0.53 goal assists, 0.71 goals

2. Daniels - 18 games, 3.3 tackles, 20.3 pressure acts, 1.61 tackles inside forward 50, 6.11 score involvements, 0.94 goal assists, 1.39 goals

3. Greene - 22 games, 2.6 tackles, 14.9 pressure acts, 1.5 tackles inside forward 50, 8.23 score involvements, 1.09 goal assists, 2.77 goals

4. O'Hallaran - 13 games, 3.2 tackles, 20.3 pressure acts, 1.23 tackles inside forward 50, 4.23 score involvements, 0.38 goal assists, 0.85 goals

5. Lloyd - 21 games, 3.0 tackles, 16.5 pressure acts, 1.33 tackles inside forward 50, 3.76 score involvements, 0.57 goal assists, 0.52 goals

6. Brown - 17 games, 1.5 tackles, 8.8 pressure acts, 0.59 tackles inside forward 50, 3.76 score involvements, 0.53 goal assists, 1.06 goals

These faster players lets us keep rotating one into the midfield when we need that point of difference and injection of speed that our midfielders sometimes lack. Nice seeing Callaghan run through there though with his acceleration.

Yes agree I don't mind Sam 'candles' Wicks. I'd still be bringing in khamis as a third tall, if Hogan or Riccardi go down the cupboard will be pretty much bare. Cadman looks a few years off atm.

 

[Giant Pete]

Yes agree I don't mind Sam 'candles' Wicks. I'd still be bringing in khamis as a third tall, if Hogan or Riccardi go down the cupboard will be pretty much bare. Cadman looks a few years off atm.

Gruz and Derksen

 

[Bjo187]

Gruz and Derksen

One is too young still, the other not AFL standard.

 

[Giant Pete]

One is too young still, the other not AFL standard.

Khakis better?

 

[Bjo187]

Khakis better?

I think so, dogs fans rate him highly, kicked 41 goals in the vfl this year, can play half back and pinch hit pinch in the ruck because of his leap. A number of clubs are after him.

 

[Orange crush]

Reckon we could get Duursma major for a pick in the 30s if we still wanted him

 

[GWS Goose]

Reckon we could get Duursma major for a pick in the 30s if we still wanted him

i want him. is he prepared to move to us, will Port really let him go for a pick in the 30's

 

[Orange crush]

i want him. is he prepared to move to us, will Port really let him go for a pick in the 30's

If we made a play for his brother he’d come I reckon, and I think port see him as not necessary going forward

 

[Giant Pete]

Port supporters can’t stand Duursma… would give him up for nothing.

 

[Brave New World]

If we made a play for his brother he’d come I reckon, and I think port see him as not necessary going forward

Sister Yasmin Duursma plays for their AFLW as a medium defender.



If we could also get her over to our AFLW, now that’s a ‘family club’!

 

[Orange crush]

Sister Yasmin Duursma plays for their AFLW as a medium defender.

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If we could also get her over to our AFLW, now that’s a ‘family club’!

X Y Z ... obviously the family were big Ford fans

 

[GWS Goose]

Sister Yasmin Duursma plays for their AFLW as a medium defender.

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If we could also get her over to our AFLW, now that’s a ‘family club’!

obviously a fair bit of ability in the family!

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[Andre the Giant]

Bout bloody time! For a lot of these kids it’s about getting through the second year, by the third and fourth they usually settle.

Also by adding on the year it gives us more bargaining power if we do have an early trade request.

A very good move!

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Bout bloody time! For a lot of these kids it’s about getting through the second year, by the third and fourth they usually settle.

Also by adding on the year it gives us more bargaining power if we do have an early trade request.

A very good move!

Yes, great for us interstate clubs- will avoid situations like Tanner Brauhn from being common place

 

[captainMyCaptain]

With the 3 year deals coming in and my blind faith in Kingsley being able to build strong relationships with players, I have to say I would be fine with taking Watson regardless of the talk of him being a flight risk.

 

[Giant Strides]

With the 3 year deals coming in and my blind faith in Kingsley being able to build strong relationships with players, I have to say I would be fine with taking Watson regardless of the talk of him being a flight risk.

You'd think that the Wizard would be salivating at the prospect of joining the Giants' forward line ... alongside Toby & friends.

 

[Maximus 2011]

Bring me the WIZARD!