Preview 2023 Pre-Season discussion

[Turbocat]

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Puff the magic dragon.


Keviitt still looks like he needs to hit the weights. Good to see lesser known names being mentioned.

 

[witsend]

PFD has not helped with his innocent conclusions.. and he might be right but id hold my tongue on analogies like that for a while.

Judd is a ridiculously high bar - and while Max appears to have the tools... im not sure the pressure and hyperbole is needed.

But the toothpaste is out now so it is what it is.

GO Catters

I agree. I’m incredibly bullish on Max Holmes, but even if PFD is correct in his analysis, there is zero to gain and potentially much to lose by placing that extra weight of expectation on a young player.


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[Vdubs]

Actually had an exchange via private conversation, won’t share the messages Without permission from bob out of good will, but all I will say was Bobby was all class and humble about everything. I have a lot of respect for him, and I would find it hard pressed for anyone else to take issue if they heard similar praise for the coach and team.

Am very happy to back him in catscollector

Always liked Bobby. Many of his earlier contributions were "collectors items"!
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[CHAWKTS]

So a bit bored (Cricket doesn't do it for me) - thought I would go through the players who have one year left (to end of 23)
From footywire (in first name alphabet order)

Close, Whyte, Rat, Kroeger, Rohan, Miers, Smith, Willis, Cegs, Blitz, Knevitt, Henry, Dempsey, Riccardi, Murdoch, Stanley, Menegola, Simpson, Neale, Hawke, Stengle, Tuohy

So that is 22 (half the list) that the club has a choice to keep or let go. Wow - what great flexibility for a club with a strong list and coming off a premiership.

In my mind there is 6 MUST signs…maybe 7

Close, Miers, Blitz, Henry, Neale, Stengle…one of Cegs/Stanley

Add Hawke who will get the choice…

Of the young youngs I think you have to sign at least 3 as “almost musts”

Dempsey, Henry, Mitch

So that is only 10-11 that I expect the club will think they dont have a choice (in a good way) but that still leaves 11 spots for them to be pretty ruthless in terms of upgrading the list and looking to the next dynasty…

Of the older crew we have Rohen, Tuohy, Menegola, Smith depending on how they are holding up for one more year.

And then the young ones will depend I expect on clubs view of potential vs other options to fill the list…

I would think they wouldn’t change more than 6-7 so a handful of the rest will be signed but by definition they will be highly regarding by the club! Exciting times

 

[catpremier 07]

Stengle is gonna be looking for quite a pay rise.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

So a bit bored (Cricket doesn't do it for me) - thought I would go through the players who have one year left (to end of 23)
From footywire (in first name alphabet order)

Close, Whyte, Rat, Kroeger, Rohan, Miers, Smith, Willis, Cegs, Blitz, Knevitt, Henry, Dempsey, Riccardi, Murdoch, Stanley, Menegola, Simpson, Neale, Hawke, Stengle, Tuohy

So that is 22 (half the list) that the club has a choice to keep or let go. Wow - what great flexibility for a club with a strong list and coming off a premiership.

In my mind there is 6 MUST signs…maybe 7

Close, Miers, Blitz, Henry, Neale, Stengle…one of Cegs/Stanley

Add Hawke who will get the choice…

Of the young youngs I think you have to sign at least 3 as “almost musts”

Dempsey, Henry, Mitch

So that is only 10-11 that I expect the club will think they dont have a choice (in a good way) but that still leaves 11 spots for them to be pretty ruthless in terms of upgrading the list and looking to the next dynasty…

Of the older crew we have Rohen, Tuohy, Menegola, Smith depending on how they are holding up for one more year.

And then the young ones will depend I expect on clubs view of potential vs other options to fill the list…

I would think they wouldn’t change more than 6-7 so a handful of the rest will be signed but by definition they will be highly regarding by the club! Exciting times

Henry is signed to 2024 footywire is wrong.
I agree 6 to 7 changes prob max.
The over 30s can wait til later in year to sign as they are year to year propositions (and some will retire this year).

Of the ooc guys the signing priorities are close stengle and miers, along with neale (because of our no of talls over 30).
Simpson and rat will either break into the 22 this year or trade/delist.
I would expect the 2021 guys and dempsey to all get 1 year deals for 2024. With the no of list changes we will have from retirements plus no r2-4 picks this year theres no need to move them on yet.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Stengle is gonna be looking for quite a pay rise.

With good reason. The club absolutely revived him too, so it's not like the relationship has been all one way. We'll see if he blows out the cap. If someone godfathers him he's a DFA so we get whatever we get in compo really

 

[Pure_Ownage]

With good reason. The club absolutely revived him too, so it's not like the relationship has been all one way. We'll see if he blows out the cap. If someone godfathers him he's a DFA so we get whatever we get in compo really

The issue wont be $ we will have stacks of cap (retirements)unless some club goes stupid and offers him like 850k. It will be balancing a long term deal to give him the security he needs but with clauses to protect us if he goes off the rails again.

 

[Drunkcat]

So a bit bored (Cricket doesn't do it for me) - thought I would go through the players who have one year left (to end of 23)
From footywire (in first name alphabet order)

Close, Whyte, Rat, Kroeger, Rohan, Miers, Smith, Willis, Cegs, Blitz, Knevitt, Henry, Dempsey, Riccardi, Murdoch, Stanley, Menegola, Simpson, Neale, Hawke, Stengle, Tuohy

So that is 22 (half the list) that the club has a choice to keep or let go. Wow - what great flexibility for a club with a strong list and coming off a premiership.

In my mind there is 6 MUST signs…maybe 7

Close, Miers, Blitz, Henry, Neale, Stengle…one of Cegs/Stanley

Add Hawke who will get the choice…

Of the young youngs I think you have to sign at least 3 as “almost musts”

Dempsey, Henry, Mitch

So that is only 10-11 that I expect the club will think they dont have a choice (in a good way) but that still leaves 11 spots for them to be pretty ruthless in terms of upgrading the list and looking to the next dynasty…

Of the older crew we have Rohen, Tuohy, Menegola, Smith depending on how they are holding up for one more year.

And then the young ones will depend I expect on clubs view of potential vs other options to fill the list…

I would think they wouldn’t change more than 6-7 so a handful of the rest will be signed but by definition they will be highly regarding by the club! Exciting times

The older players i guess it's a wait and see, as we don't no what ones will drop in form, but not all will go on again in 2024

 

[CHAWKTS]

The older players i guess it's a wait and see, as we don't no what ones will drop in form, but not all will go on again in 2024

Agree. We had only two drop off in 2022 when most predicted a few more.

And Higgins and Dal dropped off pretty quickly. Seemed obvious from early in the season.

Too hard to predict whether it will happen and who

 

[supahoops]

On the older guys I reckon they’ll squeeze every last drop out of them particularly given the Tassie team coming in soon.

Apart from Selwood who deserved to finish on his own terms but could’ve gone on, Higgins and Dahl looked shot going into the season.

None of the senior guys appear that way this time around.

Game management will be huge given the depth we now have. And as much as shiny new toys are nice I’m more than happy for us to double down on the old guys, look at the odd free agent and hope Wells and Mackie can find the odd diamond to complement the new group coming through in 3-4 years.

 

[CHAWKTS]

On the older guys I reckon they’ll squeeze every last drop out of them particularly given the Tassie team coming in soon.

Apart from Selwood who deserved to finish on his own terms but could’ve gone on, Higgins and Dahl looked shot going into the season.

None of the senior guys appear that way this time around.

Game management will be huge given the depth we now have. And as much as shiny new toys are nice I’m more than happy for us to double down on the old guys, look at the odd free agent and hope Wells and Mackie can find the odd diamond to complement the new group coming through in 3-4 years.

I am old enough to remember when a premiership team (hawks in 80’s and 90s and cats in 00’s and others) were built in the VFL. Ie. A large core of players played 2-3 years or more in the vfl. Looked to win a VFL premiership while the AFL team was also competing with “older guys”.

It feels like maybe we are in that position? A few of these boys might play 50 plus games in VFL and build a core group to continue the dynasty? Just need patience, the odd taste and continued development. Whilst I am keen to see these “shiny new toys” I am ok to continue to get that fix by watching the VFL

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I am old enough to remember when a premiership team (hawks in 80’s and 90s and cats in 00’s and others) were built in the VFL. Ie. A large core of players played 2-3 years or more in the vfl. Looked to win a VFL premiership while the AFL team was also competing with “older guys”.

It feels like maybe we are in that position? A few of these boys might play 50 plus games in VFL and build a core group to continue the dynasty? Just need patience, the odd taste and continued development. Whilst I am keen to see these “shiny new toys” I am ok to continue to get that fix by watching the VFL

Yep. Patience grasshopper.

 

[dazbroncos]

So a bit bored (Cricket doesn't do it for me) - thought I would go through the players who have one year left (to end of 23)
From footywire (in first name alphabet order)

Close, Whyte, Rat, Kroeger, Rohan, Miers, Smith, Willis, Cegs, Blitz, Knevitt, Henry, Dempsey, Riccardi, Murdoch, Stanley, Menegola, Simpson, Neale, Hawke, Stengle, Tuohy

So that is 22 (half the list) that the club has a choice to keep or let go. Wow - what great flexibility for a club with a strong list and coming off a premiership.

In my mind there is 6 MUST signs…maybe 7

Close, Miers, Blitz, Henry, Neale, Stengle…one of Cegs/Stanley

Add Hawke who will get the choice…

Of the young youngs I think you have to sign at least 3 as “almost musts”

Dempsey, Henry, Mitch

So that is only 10-11 that I expect the club will think they dont have a choice (in a good way) but that still leaves 11 spots for them to be pretty ruthless in terms of upgrading the list and looking to the next dynasty…

Of the older crew we have Rohen, Tuohy, Menegola, Smith depending on how they are holding up for one more year.

And then the young ones will depend I expect on clubs view of potential vs other options to fill the list…

I would think they wouldn’t change more than 6-7 so a handful of the rest will be signed but by definition they will be highly regarding by the club! Exciting times

Here is my list per the Cat Scan Contracts thread I keep.

2023
1. Rhys Stanley 2023 Rhys Stanley Article Link
2. Zach Touhy 2023: Zach Touhy Article Link
7. Isaac Smith 2023: Isaac Smith Article Link
10. Mitch Knevitt 2023: Mitch Knevitt Article Link
11 Cooper Whyte 2023 Cooper Whyte Article Link
15. Johnathon Ceglar 2023 Johnathon Ceglar Article Link
17. Esava Ratugolea 2023 Esava Ratugolea Article Link
18. Tyson Stengle 2023 Tyson Stengle Article Link
20. James Willis 2023: James Willis Article Link
23. Gary Rohan 2023 Gary Rohan Artlcle Link
25. Flynn Kroeger 2023: Flynn Kroeger Article Link
26. Tom Hawkins 2023 Tom Hawkins Article Link
27. Sam Menegola 2023 Sam Menegola Article Link
28. Oliie Dempsey 2023 : Ollie Dempsey Article Link
32. Gryan Miers 2023 Two More For Miers
33. Shannon Neale 2023: Shannon Neale Article Link
37. Sam Simpson 2022 Simpson Signs Contract Extension
45. Bradley Close 2023 Brad Close Article Link
46. Mark Blicavs 2023 Blicavs a Cat until 2023

GO Catters

 

[CHAWKTS]

Here is my list per the Cat Scan Contracts thread I keep.

2023
1. Rhys Stanley 2023 Rhys Stanley Article Link
2. Zach Touhy 2023: Zach Touhy Article Link
7. Isaac Smith 2023: Isaac Smith Article Link
10. Mitch Knevitt 2023: Mitch Knevitt Article Link
11 Cooper Whyte 2023 Cooper Whyte Article Link
15. Johnathon Ceglar 2023 Johnathon Ceglar Article Link
17. Esava Ratugolea 2023 Esava Ratugolea Article Link
18. Tyson Stengle 2023 Tyson Stengle Article Link
20. James Willis 2023: James Willis Article Link
23. Gary Rohan 2023 Gary Rohan Artlcle Link
25. Flynn Kroeger 2023: Flynn Kroeger Article Link
26. Tom Hawkins 2023 Tom Hawkins Article Link
27. Sam Menegola 2023 Sam Menegola Article Link
28. Oliie Dempsey 2023 : Ollie Dempsey Article Link
32. Gryan Miers 2023 Two More For Miers
33. Shannon Neale 2023: Shannon Neale Article Link
37. Sam Simpson 2022 Simpson Signs Contract Extension
45. Bradley Close 2023 Brad Close Article Link
46. Mark Blicavs 2023 Blicavs a Cat until 2023

GO Catters

i am interested in your opinion of how many get re-signed overall. And they must signs as it stands now

 

[CHAWKTS]

Yep. Patience grasshopper.

Ok. So you might be older than me then!

 

[dazbroncos]

i am interested in your opinion of how many get re-signed overall. And they must signs as it stands now

I posted this in the Drafting and Trading thread 3 days ago....


So im bored and there is no news...

thus:

2023 Senior list changes -
Locks to call it IMO or be told:
Zac Touhy
Isaac Smith
Gary Rohan

Maybes;
Rhys Stanley
Johnathon Ceglar
Esava Rategolea
Sam Menegola
Tom Hawkins

Thats 3 for sure IMO and up to 8 if all the maybe bounce out - its unlikely they'd all go.

But you'd imagine it will give us some TPP and SC space too. We'd have some we really need to re-sign as well so that cash will be redeployed but id imagine we could chase a FA if someone wanted to be here.

GO Catters

 

[Pure_Ownage]

i am interested in your opinion of how many get re-signed overall. And they must signs as it stands now

If i had to guess hawk smith and ceglar retire (they are the three im certain about).
Club probably asks stanley to stay on 1 more year in that scenario (unless we have another ruck lined up).
Menegola leaves as FA
Rohan retire (ollie henry to replace him seems logical to me
Tuohy 50/50 but maybe stays one more year.
Simpson delist if not best 22 and sav asks to be traded again.

Blitz close stengle miers certain re-signs and everyone else on that list gets kept (unless neale asks to go to WA i hope he stays)

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Ok. So you might be older than me then!

I'm 46.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Depends on form. Tuohy hasn't dropped off in form and a number of the 30 odds are still going well.

Let's not forget that - yes we can trade - next year we have roughly pick 15-18 and our next pick is at the back end of the draft.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens at the end of next year.

 

[dazbroncos]

I'm 46.

whipper snapper

GO Catters

 

[And_ROOS]

I posted this in the Drafting and Trading thread 3 days ago....


So im bored and there is no news...

thus:

2023 Senior list changes -
Locks to call it IMO or be told:
Zac Touhy
Isaac Smith
Gary Rohan

Maybes;
Rhys Stanley
Johnathon Ceglar
Esava Rategolea
Sam Menegola
Tom Hawkins

Thats 3 for sure IMO and up to 8 if all the maybe bounce out - its unlikely they'd all go.

But you'd imagine it will give us some TPP and SC space too. We'd have some we really need to re-sign as well so that cash will be redeployed but id imagine we could chase a FA if someone wanted to be here.

GO Catters

I feel like Esava is gone next trade period, Ceglar retires if he barely plays, Hawkins likely retires if we win the flag, Menegola retires if he doesn't get many games especially considering our midfield depth, Rohan and Tuohy retire if we win a flag.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

whipper snapper

GO Catters

Next year we're going to make sure we catch up again.

So plan your trip now.

 

[dazbroncos]

The issue wont be $ we will have stacks of cap (retirements)unless some club goes stupid and offers him like 850k. It will be balancing a long term deal to give him the security he needs but with clauses to protect us if he goes off the rails again.

And whilst Eddie is gone from the club, Stengle is his personal mate and success story.
And IMP Eddie will counsel him - take a little less maybe over a longer period and stick with the stability and environment you know.

Sue that favours the Cats but its also good for Tyson too. A godfather offer from the clouds outside our payscale might look good on paper but he's also seen the dark side of footy - and I reckon the bloke is smart enough to know a good thing when he sees it.
AA
Bigger contract
Premiership player.
Stable club and entrenched in Best 23.

All in one year.

Id be suggesting he'll stick fat.

GO Catters

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Stengle won't leave Geelong.