Training 2023 Pre Season

[SaintsSeptember]

It would be interesting to get a break down of each players clearance/s to score ratio. I dont know who does better than the other, but I get the feeling that certain players shanked kicks are intercepted more than others. I dont know if our forwards are as good as reading it off the boot/s as many opposition defenders - perhaps a better adherence to structure will improve that?

Then we have Ross who sometimes has a funny little role, receiving the handball from the guy who cleared it, and chipping it to someone else.

Here's the score involvements from 2022.

2022 St Kilda Score Involvements Per Game Leaders

2022 St Kilda Score Involvements Per Game Leaders.

www.footywire.com

 

[SaintsSeptember]

No Gresh in 2021 , but look how low Dunstan was, while his clearance rate was right up there.

2021 St Kilda Score Involvements Per Game Leaders

2021 St Kilda Score Involvements Per Game Leaders.

www.footywire.com

 

[SteeleSaints]

No Gresh in 2021 , but look how low Dunstan was, while his clearance rate was right up there.

2021 St Kilda Score Involvements Per Game Leaders

2021 St Kilda Score Involvements Per Game Leaders.

www.footywire.com

How do they define score involvement do you know?

With King being at the top is it score per possession or the possession leading to a score eg Gresham kicks to King who goals or both?

Ps I found the Champion Data definition -

Score Involvement: Number of scoring chains where a player was involved with either a disposal, hitout-to-advantage, kick-in or knock-on. If a player has two disposals in the same scoring chain, he is credited with one score involvement.

 

[FQFjt]

Shown more then Allison in 3 days

His contested marking ability seems to be outstanding.

 

[phantom13]

Please don't even mention Gresh in the same breath as GAJ, Gresh will never get anywhere near these stats ever

​ Career Highlights ● 41 disps (27 kicks 14 hballs), 8 marks and 6 tackles in Rd 17 15-pt loss to Collingwood at Metricon Stadium (15 Jul 2017) ● 45 disps (26 kicks 19 hballs), 3 marks, 9 tackles and a goal in Rd 6 13-pt loss to North Melbourne at Marvel Stadium (29 Apr 2017) ● 45 disps (28 kicks 17 hballs), 6 tackles and 2 goals in Rd 15 53-pt loss to Hawthorn at UTAS Stadium (28 Jun 2014) ● 49 disps (22 kicks 27 hballs), 7 marks and 2 goals in Rd 17 7-pt win over Collingwood at Metricon Stadium (20 Jul 2013) ● 43 disps (22 kicks 21 hballs), 9 marks, 8 tackles and 2 goals in Rd 21 64-pt loss to Hawthorn at the MCG (19 Aug 2012) ● 53 disps (31 kicks 22 hballs), 9 marks and 6 tackles in Rd 10 97-pt loss to Collingwood at the MCG (3 Jun 2012) ● 45 disps (25 kicks 20 hballs), 7 tackles and 2 goals in Rd 3 17-pt loss to Essendon at Metricon Stadium (14 Apr 2012) ● 38 disps (20 kicks 18 hballs), 10 marks, 7 tackles and 2 goals in Rd 7 67-pt win over Sydney at GMHBA Stadium (9 May 2010) ● 39 disps (25 kicks 14 hballs), 4 marks, 5 tackles and 2 goals in Rd 11 13-pt win over North Melbourne at Marvel Stadium (6 Jun 2008)

Calm down, the suggestion isn’t that he will be gaz jnr it’s that he could play a similar style of game.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

How do the hun rate us? not that it makes any difference.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a_NWL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fsport%2Fafl%2Fafl-2023-mick-mcguane-ranks-every-midfield-118%2Fnews-story%2F307c9a3ec15f8246633b5737c541ea67&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&BT=sport

 

[plugger66]

Gresh has everything our midfield lacks. It would be a waste to play his predominately forward.

I agree but the hope would be we can find someone similar to him as a mid so he can play mainly forward because he is also our best small forward.

 

[luca77]

Gresh vs GAJ thread anyone?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Gresh vs GAJ thread anyone?

We still haven't resolved Longer vs Hickey vs Pierce

 

[George]

Gresh > Leigh Matthews, personally.

 

[plugger66]

We still haven't resolved Longer vs Hickey vs Pierce

I think that is solved. Those who had either of the other 2 ahead of hickey didn’t understand the game.

 

[PoppedCorn]

Steele and Crouch are at nearly every centre bounce..Gresham is not.

The averages are crouch steele marshall and gresh in that order in all clearances

For sure he is at less centre sq stuff
But id rather steele and crouch with gresham fwd

 

[bird_man]

I agree but the hope would be we can find someone similar to him as a mid so he can play mainly forward because he is also our best small forward.

Thats the point people are making

Gresham is quite clearly in our best midfield, but we also have a pretty average (at best) midfield

If he were at Richmond, Geelong or Melbourne etc I doubt those clubs would be using him 80% in the midfield.

They have better mids or mids on a similar level so it makes sense to also give him big minutes up forward where he's proven to be a genuine match winner.

I don't think anyone, from what I've read, wants to take him out of the midfield all together. But it would be great if our young mids can jump up a level and give us the opportunity to get him forward at around a 50-50 split

 

[bergholt]

I like Gresh at centre bounces, but for short bursts rather than as a primary rotation

 

[bird_man]

Gresh has everything our midfield lacks. It would be a waste to play his predominately forward.

He definitely has a point of difference but I'd hardly say he has everything our midfield lacks.

You could write a decent list of what our midfield lacks

Pace and elite kicking would be high on the list as well as a genuine ball pig

His ability to win clearance and evade opposition is definitely something we do lack when he isn't in there though.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I think that is solved. Those who had either of the other 2 ahead of hickey didn’t understand the game.

Decided by injury.

 

[Barrels]

How do the hun rate us? not that it makes any difference.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a_NWL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fsport%2Fafl%2Fafl-2023-mick-mcguane-ranks-every-midfield-118%2Fnews-story%2F307c9a3ec15f8246633b5737c541ea67&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&BT=sport

McGuane is as dumb as a plank.

Who gives a semi-solid sh*t what that moron thinks?

 

[PoppedCorn]

Semi solid lmao

 

[plugger66]

Thats the point people are making

Gresham is quite clearly in our best midfield, but we also have a pretty average (at best) midfield

If he were at Richmond, Geelong or Melbourne etc I doubt those clubs would be using him 80% in the midfield.

They have better mids or mids on a similar level so it makes sense to also give him big minutes up forward where he's proven to be a genuine match winner.

I don't think anyone, from what I've read, wants to take him out of the midfield all together. But it would be great if our young mids can jump up a level and give us the opportunity to get him forward at around a 50-50 split

I think he could be our most important mid because the other 3 mainly used there are very similar but I’m hoping the likes of windhanger and owens can take plenty off time off his midfield spot so he is 60/40 forward instead of probably 80/20 mid as he was last year. If the others aren’t good enough to replace he must play mainly as a mid. Let’s hope that isn’t the case

 

[Mowman]

McGuane is as dumb as a plank.

Who gives a semi-solid sh*t what that moron thinks?

Not a fan ?

 

[plugger66]

Decided by injury.

Pretty sure it was ability.

 

[Cairnsman]

So it's agreed, Gresh is a small forward.

 

[plugger66]

So it's agreed, Gresh is a small forward.

No I wouldn’t think so. He is both a very good mid and a very good small forward.

 

[bird_man]

I think he could be our most important mid because the other 3 mainly used there are very similar but I’m hoping the likes of windhanger and owens can take plenty off time off his midfield spot so he is 60/40 forward instead of probably 80/20 mid as he was last year. If the others aren’t good enough to replace he must play mainly as a mid. Let’s hope that isn’t the case

Agree, it only works if we can find a few gems amongst our kids.

We definitely aren't going far with our current midfield though, so we need that to happen either way

Clark is another that could really give us a lift in there if he gets serious

 

[Mowman]

It would be just good to see Gresh get through a full season and play 25 games
Dont care where he plays as long as he plays most games and the extends his contract with us