Trades 2023 Round 3 Fantasy Trades

[Phar Ace]

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Naicos leaves a midfield of this

Admittedly I can swing Powell forward for a Dunks/TT to make it look better but still ******* LOL

So far you have built 24K with Tom Powell in two weeks - he might go better this week without Simpkin. You could double that in one week getting Setterfield this week. Listen for his calf niggle and assess of course, but he is a good play for two weeks - he was a great play for 4 weeks!

 

[Phar Ace]

Really want to use Steele as a slight cash grab so i can get a rookie off field but means i dont have one of those 3 top guys as a reliable C option

Really should have at least one of the three. There are other good C options but one of these three is a fall back on anything VC looping cannot get you.

 

[Phar Ace]

I usually wait till close to the byes to start ranking by avergae. It would feel to strange to have Sheezel at M1 or Daicos above Doch at this point, averages can change so quickly i like to give it at least a 5+ week sample size before I start to sort by it.

Agree, R2 averages are fluky still - but can be fun!

 

[Phar Ace]

I’m dumping Bont for Setters

Surely you can upgrade to Setters, don't downgrade on that alone! You may have other strategy at play, but on that - NO!

 

[tigs2010]

So far you have built 24K with Tom Powell in two weeks - he might go better this week without Simpkin. You could double that in one week getting Setterfield this week. Listen for his calf niggle and assess of course, but he is a good play for two weeks - he was a great play for 4 weeks!

I'm already grabbing Ziebell so its gotta be Daicos or Setterfield. I've decided Flanders needs to be killed before Powell. I have a poo factory not just the 1 spud.

Edit: My other option is to go 1 up 1 down on Flanders/Powell and hold Macrae but Macrae just looks so shit lol

 

[Phar Ace]

I'm already grabbing Ziebell so its gotta be Daicos or Setterfield. I've decided Flanders needs to be killed before Powell. I have a poo factory not just the 1 spud.

Edit: My other option is to go 1 up 1 down on Flanders/Powell and hold Macrae but Macrae just looks so s**t lol

I'm punting on Macrae and holding - it's rare he gets a 70's score - before that it was 100+. I dislike him getting Bevoed as much as the next person, however Macrae's not as bad a people are saying. With Ziebell, watch for Hall coming back. Setterfield is a bit like a once only offer, you will always want Daicos and can get him.

Flanders is gone for me too - when the coach won't trust you on the field in the last 5 plus minutes of qtrs, there is a warning sign perhaps. Something is missing there for a guy like him. He is tracking a bit unders for his role. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[MooreDaicos]

Dunks wouldn't want to keep under performing.

If he does, I'm trading him.

 

[Wobbly Punt]

I'm punting on Macrae and holding - it's rare he gets a 70's score - before that it was 100+. I dislike him getting Bevoed as much as the next person, however Macrae's not as bad a people are saying. With Ziebell, watch for Hall coming back. Setterfield is a bit like a once only offer, you will always want Daicos and can get him.

Flanders is gone for me too - when the coach won't trust you on the field in the last 5 plus minutes of qtrs, there is a warning sign perhaps. Something is missing there for a guy like him. He is tracking a bit unders for his role. Hope I'm wrong.

I'm coming around to keeping Macrae as well. Hate what he's done so far but I'm hoping for a rebound with Bevo being Bevo actually helping this week by plonking Jack back in the middle. That would count as innovation for Lukey B is my hope as it'd be moving one of his forwards from last week up to the midfield....ooooohhhhh....innovation!!

I'm also waving good bye to the Setterfield ship. I missed it, I'm spewing but my hope is it's gone. The other thing playing in to that thinking is not only the cash gen now is line ball, but that StKilda are coming up. Many of us were all scared off the Brayshaw train by the potential tag but Ross put the clamp on Serong, not Brayshaw. With Windhager now seemingly fit, does he go at perhaps the biggest reason Essendon have been going OK and clamp Setters?

I can't bring myself to include Ziebell either, just feels very temporary.

So although my scoring hasn't been good at all, I'm holding fat on keeping my under performing premos and instead go for cash or await what I believe is a looming def rook crisis this week (Uwland & Chesser for sure and perhaps Cowan too - all of whom I have) and respond to that rather than jerk to onfield dramas.

Play the long game I guess.

Thats my current thought anyway. Come team selections and Wobbly may get wobblier and get rash. Macrae still burns bright as a target but it may be sideways-ish to LDU or Kelly instead of the more popular Setters option.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I'm trying to avoid the whole 'keeper' logic this year and be really aggresive with trades - which is why i'm trading Macrae this week.

We have more trades than we've ever had before, with an extra round and an extra free by trade. I think it's time to be super aggressive. In the last 11 rounds of the year you can replace your entire on field side, so I think we still have room to move.

Particularly at this point in time when no rookies are fat, we can be very aggressive. Until Round 5, i'm going to treat all my premiums like stocks and get on the hot moving ones. Setters and Gulden in this week, Macrae out. I've got a stop-loss set on Dunkley and if he hits less than 880k i'm cutting lossess, taking the CGT write offs and trading him up.

 

[Wobbly Punt]

I'm trying to avoid the whole 'keeper' logic this year and be really aggresive with trades - which is why i'm trading Macrae this week.

We have more trades than we've ever had before, with an extra round and an extra free by trade. I think it's time to be super aggressive. In the last 11 rounds of the year you can replace your entire on field side, so I think we still have room to move.

Particularly at this point in time when no rookies are fat, we can be very aggressive. Until Round 5, i'm going to treat all my premiums like stocks and get on the hot moving ones. Setters and Gulden in this week, Macrae out. I've got a stop-loss set on Dunkley and if he hits less than 880k i'm cutting lossess, taking the CGT write offs and trading him up.

Yep, this is where I was on Monday.
Macrae to Setters (or LDU etc) and Callaghan to Ziebell with dpp flip of Gulden to mids.

Yours is definitely a solid play and one I may well revert back too when it gets real again once teams are named.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'm trying to avoid the whole 'keeper' logic this year and be really aggresive with trades - which is why i'm trading Macrae this week.

We have more trades than we've ever had before, with an extra round and an extra free by trade. I think it's time to be super aggressive. In the last 11 rounds of the year you can replace your entire on field side, so I think we still have room to move.

Particularly at this point in time when no rookies are fat, we can be very aggressive. Until Round 5, i'm going to treat all my premiums like stocks and get on the hot moving ones. Setters and Gulden in this week, Macrae out. I've got a stop-loss set on Dunkley and if he hits less than 880k i'm cutting lossess, taking the CGT write offs and trading him up.

This !

Macrae to Laird was my play ....that said, the Macrae loss in CBA's (41%) Smith (32%) and Helmut (59%) failed miserably

It seems Bevo tries to be smarter than the ave Bear every year .....then he reverts back to the norm .....the jungle drums are getting loud on Bevo's coaching performance ....it'll be a brave man, to keep on experimenting this week

 

[saintkildaman]

12k ranked after a rubbish round 2.

Trades this week are
Cox > Naicos
Callaghan > Ryan (Pedlar to F6)

Swapped Daicos to Hayden Young

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Hayden Young

Age

23

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

160.0

3star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

MG

160.0

3star

as a last minute change pre round 1, corrected that mistake early.

104k left in the bank, will look to upgrade Titch to LDU or someone else next week unless he pigs out vs Richmond.

 

[Gold_Cat]

Already have Setterfield, Gren and LDU with $8k in the bank. Would like to grab Ziebell/Stocker/Daicos. Feel as thought it's premature to dump Mcgrath, although he's my only option other than premiums (Bont, Dunkley, Docherty). Sheed and JHF have the role but haven't been great, feel as though they will get better.

Not the worst position to be in, perhaps I'm better off downgrading to Pedlar and brining in Daicos?

Any thoughts would be helpful!

 

[mrpig]

I'm trying to avoid the whole 'keeper' logic this year and be really aggresive with trades - which is why i'm trading Macrae this week.

We have more trades than we've ever had before, with an extra round and an extra free by trade. I think it's time to be super aggressive. In the last 11 rounds of the year you can replace your entire on field side, so I think we still have room to move.

Particularly at this point in time when no rookies are fat, we can be very aggressive. Until Round 5, i'm going to treat all my premiums like stocks and get on the hot moving ones. Setters and Gulden in this week, Macrae out. I've got a stop-loss set on Dunkley and if he hits less than 880k i'm cutting lossess, taking the CGT write offs and trading him up.

nothing wrong with aggressive trading when youare trading out premiums who have lost their role and dont look good, and trading in premiums who are certain keepers...... the issue comes with trade like mccrea to setterfield or zeibell, who could easily revert back to their spud forms. So suddenly in a couple of weeks time you need to find trades off these guys, but all the while the rest of the comp is harvesting their cows and upgrading their onfield spuds to premiums.... All more trades does, is make the race to a "completed team" become a quicker one...doesnt necessarily give you freedom to screw up trades, or get frisky with mid pricers who become a liability later on.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

This !

Macrae to Laird was my play ....that said, the Macrae loss in CBA's (41%) Smith (32%) and Helmut (59%) failed miserably

It seems Bevo tries to be smarter than the ave Bear every year .....then he reverts back to the norm .....the jungle drums are getting loud on Bevo's coaching performance ....it'll be a brave man, to keep on experimenting this week

This, but with Macrae he normally has a strong start to the season then falls away. So its not a good sign that he is struggling early.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

nothing wrong with aggressive trading when youare trading out premiums who have lost their role and dont look good, and trading in premiums who are certain keepers...... the issue comes with trade like mccrea to setterfield or zeibell, who could easily revert back to their spud forms. So suddenly in a couple of weeks time you need to find trades off these guys, but all the while the rest of the comp is harvesting their cows and upgrading their onfield spuds to premiums.... All more trades does, is make the race to a "completed team" become a quicker one...doesnt necessarily give you freedom to screw up trades, or get frisky with mid pricers who become a liability later on.

This is where you have comfort that it's still within the first five weeks. If Setterfield struggles in the next couple of rounds, i'll just trade him up to an uber premium after he's made another 60-100k off his rolling average over the next few weeks. We don't have enough cash to trade rookies up to premiums right now anyway, so if we need to do a mini upgrade from a mid pricer to premium, the first five weeks is the time to do it and therefore the time to take risks on these guys.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

This, but with Macrae he normally has a strong start to the season then falls away. So its not a good sign that he is struggling early.

Exactly ....traditionally Bevo doesn't experiment this early in the season ....and Macrae normally starts strongly, hence why I picked him ....but there's too much uncertainty around the WB now

 

[swanton]

Will be trading Macrae

Don't care if he comes out with a 120+ score. Used to enjoy watching him play and pig out, but Bevo has sulked the fun out of it.

Feels good removing the Bevo headache

Bazlenko on notice

 

[mrpig]

This is where you have comfort that it's still within the first five weeks. If Setterfield struggles in the next couple of rounds, i'll just trade him up to an uber premium after he's made another 60-100k off his rolling average over the next few weeks. We don't have enough cash to trade rookies up to premiums right now anyway, so if we need to do a mini upgrade from a mid pricer to premium, the first five weeks is the time to do it and therefore the time to take risks on these guys.

In theory i agree and if everything goes perfect it wont be an issue, but if you go down this route, then you really cant complain when you are stuck in a couple of weeks coz you have multiple holes in your team, rookies getting dropped, guys are getting injured and you are forced to hold some mid pricers a lot longer than you wanted.... things dont go to plan, and so the strategy of riding guys just for a "couple of weeks", can go pear shaped really quickly. You end up trading to chase your tail eventually.

 

[kozi]

Went Bruhn > Ziebell last week and going Flanders > Day this week

It's got me thinking.. even starting mid pricers that don't fire can't be a bust when their price easily allows you to pivot to the good ones that become essential. In this instance the alternative to Bruhn/Flanders would have been gun/dud rook with nobody to sideways to get the mid pricers that are popping off. You'd have to trade down the premo and require another trade to spend the cash (what happens if the 2nd trade isn't spare) as opposed to just 1 trade flicking from failed mid pricer to good one

This pretty much sums up what fantasy has evolved into.. not saying it's a bad thing but guns & rooks is officially dead as a strategy when picking a few failed mid pricers still sets you up better. You're either lucky enough to start with the good mid pricers or you get it wrong and start with sh*t ones which still allows you to pivot to the good ones. There's no 3rd option to be competitive these days.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Went Bruhn > Ziebell last week and going Flanders > Day this week

It's got me thinking.. even starting mid pricers that don't fire can't be a bust when their price easily allows you to pivot to the good ones that become essential. In this instance the alternative to Bruhn/Flanders would have been gun/dud rook with nobody to sideways to get the mid pricers that are popping off. You'd have to trade down the premo and require another trade to spend the cash (what happens if the 2nd trade isn't spare) as opposed to just 1 trade flicking from failed mid pricer to good one

This pretty much sums up what fantasy has evolved into.. not saying it's a bad thing but guns & rooks is officially dead as a strategy when picking a few failed mid pricers still sets you up better. You're either lucky enough to start with the good mid pricers or you get it wrong and start with sh*t ones which still allows you to pivot to the good ones. There's no 3rd option to be competitive these days.

This is right. It's essential in my opinion to start at least one mid pricer in each line, as they either perform well or allow you to pivot to the one that is performing well. If you go purely guns and rooks you're unable to grab a midpricer early without either saving 300k+ in the bank (where you probably should have just put that money on a rookie week 1 and grabbed a mid pricer) or culling a premium.

I started a very guns and rooks side, with Day, Xerri and Calaghan as my only mid pricers. I also had Hones and Constable, but they were more inflated rookies.

I won't be getting on Ziebell, as I don't have the cash to get him. But starting Callghan has allowed me to pivot into Setterfield this week. I was able to pivot into Green last week, but was only able to do that by trading an injured premium (Kelly). If I hadn't, i'd have had to trade someone like Serong.

I think it's a balance between having enough mid pricers to allow flexibility and enough premiums to set you apart. I think my preferred approach would be to run one more rookie than everyone else - as I feel everyone gets too gun shy over rookie performances, and therefore one more premium, but to ensure that you have at least 3-4 solid 500k+ mid pricers for flexibility.

If you have two mid pricers fail and its a year where no mid pricers pop (like 2021) you can always go a one up one down with those two failed guys and go back to a premium and rookie in the first couple of weeks.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

In theory i agree and if everything goes perfect it wont be an issue, but if you go down this route, then you really cant complain when you are stuck in a couple of weeks coz you have multiple holes in your team, rookies getting dropped, guys are getting injured and you are forced to hold some mid pricers a lot longer than you wanted.... things dont go to plan, and so the strategy of riding guys just for a "couple of weeks", can go pear shaped really quickly. You end up trading to chase your tail eventually.

Fair enough, I do need to hope I don't cop injuries.

But i'm not too worried about Setters. He's a great hardworking soldier and should have a high floor in a side like Essendon.

 

[tigs2010]

I think this is final decision. No Naicos this week

Looking at following 3 options

Macrae, Ziebell, Pedlar (field), Caminiti (bench)
Macrae, Setterfield, Pedlar (field), Caminiti (bench)
Setterfield, Ziebell, Powell, Pedlar (bench)

Caminiti BE of -11 not sure he can outdo Ziebell (36 BE) and Setterfield (27 BE). Crae (131BE) probably loses money, could pull out a monster score though.

 

[mrpig]

Fair enough, I do need to hope I don't cop injuries.

But i'm not too worried about Setters. He's a great hardworking soldier and should have a high floor in a side like Essendon.

I feel the time to get setterfield was last week.... im passing on him this week the same reason i passed on tom green. At 700k+ i just dont feel his cash gen will be that substantial anymore, and will probably not be a top 8 mid long term. That being said, if he keeps pumping out 100+ each week, he is an amazing pickup at that price.

 

[kozi]

I think this is final decision. No Naicos this week

Looking at following 3 options

Macrae, Ziebell, Pedlar (field), Caminiti (bench)
Macrae, Setterfield, Pedlar (field), Caminiti (bench)
Setterfield, Ziebell, Powell, Pedlar (bench)

Caminiti BE of -11 not sure he can outdo Ziebell (36 BE) and Setterfield (27 BE). Crae (131BE) probably loses money, could pull out a monster score though.

Who you trading out?

Big fan of Macrae > actual premo and failed mid pricer > Ziebell/Setter/Day this week