News 2023 St Kilda Media Thread

[BiggerThompa]

Love them, need to build up the YouTube following like herb and get posted on the AFL subreddit

Cheers mate 100%.
The only thing is, Youtube are super strict on their copyright laws and the mods on the AFL subreddit took down my vids for being low-effort content lol

 

[TheOsprey]

At least you'll be warm sleeping on the couch.
Can't wait for my jacket to arrive, but I think I was too slow for the first run so I'll probably be waiting a month or two.

(I can't like this post until Tuesday next week)

 

[gringo2011]

Just got the new NB retro tracksuit top delivered today.

It's not advertised but that thing is packed with BDE, maybe Caminiti touches them all before they are shipped.

I swagged into the kitchen today wearing it and demanded a cup of coffee.

My wife still told me to GAGF but at least I had the courage to ask.

That's the 90s vibe built into it. You start acting like the guy from Married With Children after chucking it on.

 

[TheOsprey]

That's the 90s vibe built into it. You start acting like the guy from Married With Children after chucking it on.

Totally - I think I've got the Liam Gallagher vibe walking about with a swagger.

In reality I look more like I'm in one of those 90s boybands that have reformed 25 years later and they all got fat and and are going bald.

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

In the old days, if you kept kicking behinds instead of goals from set shots, you ended up in the twos. . We have quite a few very good goal kickers on our list from a classic kicking technique aspect now: Membrey, Sharman, Pou, Steele stand out and those with an odd technique in Higgins and Gresh, and King who is still erratic, but can worked on

Not having a go at you mate, but I am sooo f**king sick of all these old timers talking about how bad goal kicking is / how much better kicking for goal was in their day. I remember having a rant during lockdown about how Brian Taylor is easily the worst. But every second commentator craps on about kicking in the modern game.

Has anyone actually watched a game from the 60s, 70s or 80s anytime recently? If not, seriously go and have a look. Most kicks miss their targets by 5 - 10 metres, or are just hacks forward with no target in mind at all. Back in VFL days, the 2 or 3 players with good skills stand out completely because they are the only ones on the ground that can actually hit a target.

And the goalkicking was absolutely woeful!!. Apart from a few freaks like Lockett and Hudson that get referenced constantly, VFL era players were as bad (or probably worse) then modern guys. And in the 70s, 80's or 90s they only ran 1 or 2kms a game, not 10+. They could just eat pies, sit in the goal square and be fresh for shots at goal. And they still werent as good as most modern players who are ALSO playing team defence

Just as a random exercise, I looked at our scores from some random years across the first few rounds:

1971: Rd.1 (21.25). Rd 3 (6.13). Rd 5 (11.17)
1974: Rd.1 (11.17). Rd 3 (14.16). Rd 4 (8:13)
1980: Rd.1 (14.16). Rd 2 (11.17). Rd 5 (7:15)
1985: Rd.1 (8:18). Rd 2 (2.17). Rd 3 (14:14)
1988: Rd.1 (17:16). Rd 2 (7.13). Rd 5 (12:12)
1992: Rd.1 (18:20). Rd 2 (9:22). Rd 5 (17:26)
1997: Rd.1 (10.11). Rd 2 (7.15). Rd 6 (17:19)
2003: Rd.1 (10.10). Rd 3 (11.8). Rd 4 (11:15)
2008: Rd.1 (13:15). Rd 2 (7.8). Rd 4 (9:14)
2021: Rd.1 (13:8). Rd 2 (11.7). Rd 3 (9:14). Rd 4 (15:12)
2022: Rd.1 (10:7). Rd 2 (14.8). Rd 3 (14:8). Rd 4 (17:11)

This is 100% not a 'new' issue with the modern player. Its just a bunch of old people choosing to selectively remember things as being better 'back in the day'

 

[mighty_sainters]

Not having a go at you mate, but I am sooo f**king sick of all these old timers talking about how bad goal kicking is / how much better kicking for goal was in their day. I remember having a rant during lockdown about how Brian Taylor is easily the worst. But every second commentator craps on about kicking in the modern game.

Has anyone actually watched a game from the 60s, 70s or 80s anytime recently? If not, seriously go and have a look. Most kicks miss their targets by 5 - 10 metres, or are just hacks forward with no target in mind at all. Back in VFL days, the 2 or 3 players with good skills stand out completely because they are the only ones on the ground that can actually hit a target.

And the goalkicking was absolutely woeful!!. Apart from a few freaks like Lockett and Hudson that get referenced constantly, VFL era players were as bad (or probably worse) then modern guys. And in the 70s, 80's or 90s they only ran 1 or 2kms a game, not 10+. They could just eat pies, sit in the goal square and be fresh for shots at goal. And they still werent as good as most modern players who are ALSO playing team defence

Just as a random exercise, I looked at our scores from some random years across the first few rounds:

1971: Rd.1 (21.25). Rd 3 (6.13). Rd 5 (11.17)
1974: Rd.1 (11.17). Rd 3 (14.16). Rd 4 (8:13)
1980: Rd.1 (14.16). Rd 2 (11.17). Rd 5 (7:15)
1985: Rd.1 (8:18). Rd 2 (2.17). Rd 3 (14:14)
1988: Rd.1 (17:16). Rd 2 (7.13). Rd 5 (12:12)
1992: Rd.1 (18:20). Rd 2 (9:22). Rd 5 (17:26)
1997: Rd.1 (10.11). Rd 2 (7.15). Rd 6 (17:19)
2003: Rd.1 (10.10). Rd 3 (11.8). Rd 4 (11:15)
2008: Rd.1 (13:15). Rd 2 (7.8). Rd 4 (9:14)
2021: Rd.1 (13:8). Rd 2 (11.7). Rd 3 (9:14). Rd 4 (15:12)
2022: Rd.1 (10:7). Rd 2 (14.8). Rd 3 (14:8). Rd 4 (17:11)

This is 100% not a 'new' issue with the modern player. Its just a bunch of old people choosing to selectively remember things as being better 'back in the day'

With you 100%.

I was born in 1989 so my first memories of footy were 1995 onwards I’d say.

I generally back Max in, knowing he has plenty to work on he’s not deplorable like some say. Hopefully i’m not getting this wrong but his goals to behinds ratio is 55%.

Stewart Loewe who was an all time favourite of mine was 58%.

Wayne Carey - 61%
Gary Ablett Snr -59%
Gary Lyon - 60%

I’m sure Lockett and Dunstall were close to 70% (without checking) but they are two of the best ever in 100+ years of the sport.

Not to mention, there was no goal technology back in the day, we all know before the ball would sail over the goal post the umpires stuck two hands in the air to signal a goal. I’m sure plenty were touched off the boot and more than a few would have knocked the post on the way through.

 

[Mat Mann]

I can't think of many better kicks in my time supporting St Kilda than Goddard, both in terms of accuracy and length.

No better example than this kick against Freo at Subiaco Oval back in 2006.

it's one thing to be a good kick, another entirely another to teach

you see some weird styles but being able to pinpoint to what's going wrong without having to re-build the action is entirely another hemisphere.

 

[Mat Mann]

also if anyone saw socials today, looked like a dedicated session for goal kicking

 

[Dard Ball Get]

also if anyone saw socials today, looked like a dedicated session for goal kicking

Had to laugh at Hilly celebrating a snap that would’ve been marked 5m out from the goal line

 

[sunny3193]

Just an aside for all those posters using the acronym “BDE” as shorthand for the descriptor: Big Dick Energy.
Please be advised that all the Boomer posters on this site will think you are referring to little blue pills.
Thanks in advance.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Just an aside for all those posters using the acronym “BDE” as shorthand for the descriptor: Big Dick Energy.
Please be advised that all the Boomer posters on this site will think you are referring to little blue pills.
Thanks in advance.

And they’re talking cocaine over in the trade thread. Wouldn’t recommend mixing the two

 

[Minga]

Cheers mate 100%.
The only thing is, Youtube are super strict on their copyright laws and the mods on the AFL subreddit took down my vids for being low-effort content lol

Oh yes of course, I remember Herb had strife with that. Surely would’ve made the cut on the AFL subreddit tho, ah well, keep doing what you’re doing

 

[sunny3193]

And they’re talking cocaine over in the trade thread. Wouldn’t recommend mixing the two

This is why you always see Boomers looking for their glasses

 

[sunny3193]

And they’re talking cocaine over in the trade thread. Wouldn’t recommend mixing the two

News flash:
Doctors announce a new erectile dysfunction drug that works by lowering a female’s expectations.
(Source: ONN Onion News Network)

 

[George]

News flash:
Doctors announce a new erectile dysfunction drug that works by lowering a female’s expectations.
(Source: ONN Onion News Network)

Dard's known about this for years, doubt he'll be surprised.

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

Just an aside for all those posters using the acronym “BDE” as shorthand for the descriptor: Big Dick Energy.
Please be advised that all the Boomer posters on this site will think you are referring to little blue pills.
Thanks in advance.

That's a little too coincidental for my liking. I'm gonna need to do some meme research.

Btw battle was the original BD. Big dick battle just has a nice ring to it. If he kicks a goal from 60 after decking a kent this week I'll yell it loud and proud.

 

[gringo2011]

With you 100%.

I was born in 1989 so my first memories of footy were 1995 onwards I’d say.

I generally back Max in, knowing he has plenty to work on he’s not deplorable like some say. Hopefully i’m not getting this wrong but his goals to behinds ratio is 55%.

Stewart Loewe who was an all time favourite of mine was 58%.

Wayne Carey - 61%
Gary Ablett Snr -59%
Gary Lyon - 60%

I’m sure Lockett and Dunstall were close to 70% (without checking) but they are two of the best ever in 100+ years of the sport.

Not to mention, there was no goal technology back in the day, we all know before the ball would sail over the goal post the umpires stuck two hands in the air to signal a goal. I’m sure plenty were touched off the boot and more than a few would have knocked the post on the way through.

Back in the 90s they had plenty more shots on goal and but were working in a different environment. They just had to beat their man one out. Those guys were playing in much worse conditions though. I can remember Carey playing against us out at Waverley and tearing us apart like was dry....but had a side wind like a gale and driving rain. Even grounds like the G seem to be a much more controlled environment with grand stands that block any wind.

King was more exposed to criticism because we sent so much ball through him that any of our wins were relying on his conversion.

 

[PandaG]

All our SSP picks so far:

1. Liam Stocker
2. Anthony Caminiti
3. Jack Hayes
4. Jarrod Lienert
5. Mason Wood
6. Paul Hunter
7. Jonathon Marsh
8. Sam Rowe

We've been the most active club when it comes to signing players through this 5 year old system, with Essendon, Melbourne and West Coast having signed 7 players each (WC got 4 in 2021) and Carlton and Richmond 5 each. Unlike all those other clubs though - all of our signings have played (Henry Crauford at Ess, Majak Daw at Melb and Tom Joyce at WC were all delisted without a senior appearance, Melb's Deakyn Smith, Carl's Hudson O'Keeffe and Richmond's Kaelan Bradtke are on lists yet to debut). Remember, we got a whole one game out of Sam Rowe!

Regardless of other clubs though, we got something out of all those players and it's an area we should keep recruiting from. The players are cheap, we have the opportunity to try before we buy and there's a lot of value out there.

We looking to add Fisher Mcasey to that list
Pick 6
Sandringham boy
Surly Ross gets the passion back for him to play afl again.

 

[PandaG]

I still think Richo was better than he's credited with.

Given an aging list struggling with the Salary Cap, and few ( if any ) young players coming through.
Terrible drafting, with more talent retiring every year than came into the team.
Earlier than expected retirement with the younger players " Armitage, Steven, Stevens, Longer , McCartin ( at the time )".

His boring press releases were not the main thing ( incredibly as it may seem to people here ). On field he probably out performed expectations.
I rate him a far better coach than either Ratten or Watters.

Game day coaching isn’t enough.
The demand for excellence from others on and off the field was an issue as a senior coach. Coaches need to know exactly what players they need and what they need from the teams of people working around them. They need to demand from them what they need.
The recruiting and list management during his time was amateurish, deplorable, in short Vomit.
The Mcartin pick can be never be forgiven, while I know he wanted Christian, he needed to be stronger in that moment when they decided to go with Mcartin. He wasn’t.
Richo is as much to do with that era of absolute amature rubbish l, than the rest of the rabble running the club at that time.

 

[PandaG]

Great article. Bassat doesn't get enough credit for what was a massive risk to his personal reputation. It would have been much easier to stay in safe mediocrity and keep Ratts and the Lethlean designed footy department, but he stepped up and made a stand.

The list of powerbrokers were mostly on his side but it still took massive balls to do it. It's a bit early to celebrate it as a pure success but I think it's already paying dividends in the structure of the footy department and player development alone.

Pre Bassat we were very happy to bury our heads and hope that next year was going to sort its self out. We have standards and direction that we haven't had for 10 plus years.

I think Eddie McGuire had a bit to do with planting the seed of Ross also.
Seems he has a soft spot for us these days which is helpful.

 

[PandaG]

I have very good rebuttals to all those... but my care factor is quite low.

I got what I wanted which was ratten, rath and gags gone (without doing dumb crap like trading out hill and clark for peanuts) ... and we're flying.

So happy days.

I've been very bullish for years on here on our list having a massive handbrake being applied on them from lack of a proper gameplan.
It's awesome to see bassett had the nuts to make it happen.

Btw- list potential wise I think we are just getting warmed up-
Guys like billings, coffield, higgins, clark, gresh could all be genuine A grade guns under a proper system.

This is spot on

 

[PandaG]

Bowes is a nothing footballer, wouldn’t lose sleep over that.

Pick 7 and 10 would have been nice thoigh

 

[PandaG]

My memory says that Steele had evolved from his tagging role well before Richo was sacked.

No
It was in Rattens second year they let him be a midfielder
They still used him as a tagger, just crazy stuff.

 

[PandaG]

Veteran assistant and specialist coach David Wheadon, who turns 75 next month, has joined the Saints as a part-time goalkicking coach in what the club said is a short-term succession plan. Wheadon will mentor development coach Brendon Goddard, with a view to Goddard running the goalkicking program from next season

Better than Rath looking after king..?? Or just taking a heap of practice kicks… Proper joke

 

[stavro#4]

Better than Rath looking after king..?? Or just taking a heap of practice kicks… Proper joke

What’s a joke?

Surely someone such as BJ who was an elite kick in the modern game - is a better candidate to teach the likes of King then Rath?

I mean as a fan base we were practically on our knees begging for King/the club to take Lloyd up on his offer