List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management discussion

[Section 5]

On the player loan.
I think a trade is more likely. See below from a fox article.

You would not get a draft pick compensation for say Dev. But as discussed you are likely to only get a late 3rd anyhow.
That late 3rd could end up being a star but more likely struggles to be a regular player and gets delisted.

But you may be able to pick up say a decent defense tall (if it was this year) that is in the same position as Dev.
Once again, no compensation goes the other way.

Like any change some clubs will be better off others not so much.

$25m expansion problem; grand final call to divide league: Eight big issues facing AFL’s new CEO

$25m expansion problem; grand final call to divide league: Eight big issues facing AFL’s new CEO

www.foxsports.com.au

PLAYER MOVEMENT

Death, taxes and AFL mid-season trade period speculation.

While a rookie draft halfway through the footy season has been introduced in recent years, a second trade period looms as the next step. In fact Bombers coach Brad Scott recently told AFL 360 it was “inevitable”.

Considering the fan interest already around player movement – and how significant the injection of players can be to a team’s prospects – another trade period would clearly put the AFL in the thick of the news cycle.

The logistics, though, would require some hard calls from Dillon.

Speculation has emerged in recent weeks about clubs having the power to offload players to other teams against their will. Clubs clearly like that idea, but players would have their reservations.

Scott suggested the league could “put certain protections” around clubs trading players, saying teams that acquire them should pay “10 or 15 per cent more than he’s currently on”.

AFLPA president Patrick Dangerfield has previously suggested “broadly we’d be open” to a trade period in the middle of the year, citing the significant interest and impact of mid-season player movement in other sports around the world.

McLachlan was a fan of the idea, but it never got off the ground during his stint.

Perhaps Dillon could get it going early in his stint.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Kai Lohmann?

Haven't seen him as a run and carry but he seems to have the manic intensity to match zorks

 

[Nuggo]

Player loans can work. But you wouldn't see the Lions helping say Melbourne. More a case to give your young players experience with a club at the lower end of the ladder. So can be a good thing. A top club could get a player from the bottom clubs.

 

[Thomasno]

Lyons is contracted for one more year.

Mathieson had a look around last offseason and found no takers.

I fully expect Dev to move to West Coast at the end of the year. Either for a late pick, or WC walk him to the PSD.

I doubt Lyons or Mathieson find much interest at the end of the season. The game has changed, and there really isn’t room for more than one slow, inside contested mid in teams today.


From the looks of how our reserve team has been playing this season, we’ve moved Answerth in to a midfield and forward role.

We’ll have enough listed depth in our squad with Lyons, Mathieson, Answerth and Tunstill next season.

Along with Lohmann and Cockatoo building their tanks and rolling through the reserve midfield. Possibly even Shadeau Brain doing the same.


We probably add two mids in the 2024 draft, in Levi Ashcroft and Sam Marshall. And we probably have double bottom age academy prospect Dan Annable on our radar as well for the 2025 draft. (Marshall and Annable looked like our best two mids in our last academy game).

Didn’t mention Fletcher either


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[briztoon]

Didn’t mention Fletcher either


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I was focusing on the inside mids, mid forwards, and the forwards who could pinch hit as an inside mid.

I would expect Fletcher to remain a wing or half back for the foreseeable future.

 

[Sanchez365]

I only really know of loaning being prevalent in soccer, and that generally works because there are hundreds of leagues around the world, and even then it's mostly a try before you buy. In a league that only has 18 teams it's kind of pointless and ripe for exploitation.

 

[dlanod]

We've just played our only/second game against cellar dwellers X. Let's lend them targeted reserves that might have been forced out of our team like Matho and Lyons to improve their team for their upcoming games against Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, etc.

Can't see any way that could possibly be exploited.

 

[martinson]

We've just played our only/second game against cellar dwellers X. Let's lend them targeted reserves that might have been forced out of our team like Matho and Lyons to improve their team for their upcoming games against Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, etc.

Can't see any way that could possibly be exploited.

We could lend out Lyons and Dunkley for a week or two for a fee to get someone over the line in a game we need them to win.

I mean the possibilities are endless if you allow players on your list to play for another team whom, whatever position they are on the ladder they're still your opposition.

Mind boggles as to the number of gremlins this would throw up.

 

[Warwick]

I only really know of loaning being prevalent in soccer, and that generally works because there are hundreds of leagues around the world, and even then it's mostly a try before you buy. In a league that only has 18 teams it's kind of pointless and ripe for exploitation.

Yeah loaning players in a league with a limited number of teams and one ‘division’ is crazy.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I think Zorks and Robbo were caught out trying to be smarter than they actually are

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

I don't think Lohmann has earnt a call-up, but he's the most like-for-like replacement for Zorko on our list right now I'd say.

Maybe you could give Fletcher or Brain a run, see what they can do? Might be a bit early for Fletcher given his late start to the year but Brain has been doing good work in the seconds, working hard.

 

[McIvor]

I don't think Lohmann has earnt a call-up, but he's the most like-for-like replacement for Zorko on our list right now I'd say.

Maybe you could give Fletcher or Brain a run, see what they can do? Might be a bit early for Fletcher given his late start to the year but Brain has been doing good work in the seconds, working hard.

Personally, hope we never go down the path of debuting guys away in a presser cooker environment on the main stage like we did Jimmy Tunstill last year (or what Jack Watts went thru on his debut in Queens B'day match). I don't think it served the team well and in my view, can set the player back if they fail to make much of a contribution or are over awed in the situation. I think its such a minority of very high quality players that could do it e.g. Will Ashcroft, but I hope we don't do it with the lesser lights like Jaspa and Shady.

 

[dlanod]

We could lend out Lyons and Dunkley for a week or two for a fee to get someone over the line in a game we need them to win.

I'll assume at least that any loan would be for the remainder of the season, and they would not be able to return to the loaning club.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

I'll assume at least that any loan would be for the remainder of the season, and they would not be able to return to the loaning club.

If there's no option for the loaning club to cancel the loan in the event of injuries, there wouldn't be many clubs taking up the option of loaning their players, unless the player was in the last two or three on the list.

 

[martinson]

I'll assume at least that any loan would be for the remainder of the season, and they would not be able to return to the loaning club.

I was sort of joking but the counterpoint is a struggling club with no hope could loan out a star to a team in contention. Who knows what the deal could be.

I don't mind the idea of trading someone out permanently to another club. Loaning them is problematic.

 

[Viceregal]

I was sort of joking but the counterpoint is a struggling club with no hope could loan out a star to a team in contention. Who knows what the deal could be.

I don't mind the idea of trading someone out permanently to another club. Loaning them is problematic.

Pretty sure Mitchell would be happy to loan out a few so they get some experience in winning games in a good team whilst simultanteously improving his chances of getting pick 1 while one is still availble (ie pre Tassie)

 

[Dalions]

I'll assume at least that any loan would be for the remainder of the season, and they would not be able to return to the loaning club.

That would be pretty shit if we all of a sudden had a spate of injuries in the midfield and needed those players back.

 

[dlanod]

That would be pretty s**t if we all of a sudden had a spate of injuries in the midfield and needed those players back.

To me that's the risk you take

 

[Jivlain]

I think loans are difficult in the AFL because of how limited the number of opportunities for professional play actual are.

Like, if a young Celtic player gets an opportunity at, I dunno, Oostende, there's not a lot of crossplay between the objectives of those teams and their respective competitors, and so little opportunity for shenanigans. If Liverpool suddenly* loaned a bunch of talent to Leeds United that might raise a few eyebrows though.

* transfer windows notwithstanding

 

[briztoon]

I think loans are difficult in the AFL because of how limited the number of opportunities for professional play actual are.

Like, if a young Celtic player gets an opportunity at, I dunno, Oostende, there's not a lot of crossplay between the objectives of those teams and their respective competitors, and so little opportunity for shenanigans. If Liverpool suddenly* loaned a bunch of talent to Leeds United that might raise a few eyebrows though.

* transfer windows notwithstanding

A lot of the time it’s EPL clubs loaning players to lower divisions, or to the SPL, or the French or Spanish leagues.

There are loans between EPL clubs, but typically it’s one of the strong clubs loaning a player to a “weaker” club, who they don’t view as a potential rival for a spot in one of the European competitions.

 

[blueiris]

Cumberland omitted surely the Lions are looking at him

 

[Nathan Barley]

Cumberland omitted surely the Lions are looking at him

Because he can't make a bottom 4 team.

Means the opposite of what you're saying

 

[blueiris]

Because he can't make a bottom 4 team.

Means the opposite of what you're saying

Does it though kid has massive talent and we have the players around Cumberland to make him a star

 

[Dalions]

Cumberland omitted surely the Lions are looking at him

Why?

 

[Nathan Barley]

Does it though kid has massive talent and we have the players around Cumberland to make him a star

He doesn't work hard enough. Is a show pony. So bad that the coach would come out and state this and then drop him from a struggling team. He's not the sort of footballer we need and not one that top teams will be interested in

But he's a Queenslander and we're desperate for talent?