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[Arr0w]

Really excited to hear your opinion about Hollands. From memory you weren't overly enthused at draft time (dare I say it you might have seen him as a bit vanilla - not bad but drafted a bit higher than you would have taken him)

I respect your opinion so would be interested to know what he has done to change your original opinion - if indeed he has.

Nothing has really changed, saw him as a Walsh Lite type and still believe that's the player he will become

I had others in front of him at that first pick, but have always stated that Hollands is a safe pick with a high floor

I believe he will develop into a good footballer

 

[marcmurphy3]

All valid points, but you don't select a guy like Cowan if he isn't ready.

Kemp being in the back 7 will give us some run, but Plow can still play on smaller forwards

Agree he needs to be ready.

The other option is we might see Docherty in a hybrid role. Starting onball but then pushing back to defence. Though I'm not sure how that changes the overall defensive mix.

Was Kemp providing much run today? I know he is technically quick but I havent seen him run alot with the ball in general play.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Nothing has really changed, saw him as a Walsh Lite type and still believe that's the player he will become

I had others in front of him at that first pick, but have always stated that Hollands is a safe pick with a high floor

I believe he will develop into a good footballer

If he becomes Sam Walsh lite for a pick 11 then I'd imagine that we would be very happy with that outcome

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Nothing has really changed, saw him as a Walsh Lite type and still believe that's the player he will become

I had others in front of him at that first pick, but have always stated that Hollands is a safe pick with a high floor

I believe he will develop into a good footballer

I think at least a good footballer, that is his floor.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Saad and Guv are express, Kemp's the next quickest....Marchy's far from slow.

I'm all for Moo getting a game if his form warrants it.

Don't see a problem with Young, Weitering, Plowman, Newman, Saad, McGovern and Kemp / Marchbank.....

Prefer blokes who can defend well and have footy nous than speed!

Yes need defender to take dangerous smalls -- if plow plays ( doesn't bother me ) and Martin and Bolton kick 6-7 between them in round one this place will light up like Chernobyl no matter who he paired with ..

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Yes need defender to take dangerous smalls -- if plow plays ( doesn't bother me ) and Martin and Bolton kick 6-7 between them in round one this place will light up like Chernobyl no matter who he paired with ..

This has been done to death but Plow has an exceptional record against the premier SFs of the competition.

Martin's way past his best.

And as we know - and want - defence is about the 18 on the park, not the 1 on 1 match up these days!

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Lemmey, not ready body wise, but all other aspects, yes. Very clever with his leading in an open or congested forward line, massive tank, needs more sprint work/intent. Kicking is elite at goal (yes better than Charlie and Big H) as well as round the ground. Wouldn't disgrace himself if there was an injury. If he stays fit, will kick 40 in the VFL

You have had me excited about this bloke from the get go .. thanks for the report .

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Left field cunners to play Williams role?

I’d like to see the club do that, has a lot of the same strengths as Williams, having not played in defence before I’d imagine we probably won’t go down that track…

 

[Arr0w]

Agree he needs to be ready.

The other option is we might see Docherty in a hybrid role. Starting onball but then pushing back to defence. Though I'm not sure how that changes the overall defensive mix.

Was Kemp providing much run today? I know he is technically quick but I havent seen him run alot with the ball in general play.

Couldn't really show his run as he was playing as a traditional KPD, let's see what happens in the practice matches

What’s your observation about O’Keefe’s marking in general Arrow, the description by central was it needed a fair bit of work, averaged less than 1 per game apparently…

I think he is a solid mark and can rest forward. Ungamely kicking action, but accurate

If he becomes Sam Walsh lite for a pick 11 then I'd imagine that we would be very happy with that outcome

Very true

 

[Benaly28]

I have no problem with Plowman playing but not as a replacement for Williams if Kemp/Marchbank are the 7th defender.

A backline of Young, Weitering, Plowman, Newman, Saad, McGovern and Kemp / Marchbank is too slow, lacks rebound and has more height than we need.

If the plan is for Docherty to play mainly mid we need another running type to balance us which is why I'm desperately hoping Cowan can push to play.

Kemp MUST play ahead of Plowman.


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[SurreyBlue]

Plowman will be our shutdown defender on smalls/mediums, as he always is. Does the job well. Love him.

 

[Arr0w]

Just to clarify, with Marchbank unlikely to be battle hardened, I think BOTH Plow and Kemp play round 1

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Couldn't really show his run as he was playing as a traditional KPD, let's see what happens in the practice matches



I think he is a solid mark and can rest forward. Ungamely kicking action, but accurate

Very true

Cheers, looks to have a great competitive streak in him, actually for some reason just reminded me a little like James Manson…

 

[Blue Reaper]

Lemmey's forward movement and patterns are very good

I think I just had some forward movement.

 

[Arr0w]

Cheers, looks to have a great competitive streak in him, actually for some reason just reminded me a little like James Manson…

Reminds me of the Melbourne 80s ruckman, Steven O'Dwyer

 

[BigFrizz36]

Kemp MUST play ahead of Plowman.


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Why? They don't even play the same role.

You mean to say that you would play Kemp on the likes of Cameron or pickett?

Ones played 150 odd games and the other has struggled to get a run at all .(granted still finding his way).

Some on here get romantic about the prospects of young players who have yet to show anything. This year it appears to be Kemp, last year Honey seemed to have attained mythical status.

I hope that Kemp makes it with all of my heart. However at this stage he is a relatively high draft pick who has shown little and hasn't looked like making a position his yet.

To suggest that he MUST play before plowman is ridiculous.

 

[Blue Reaper]

Great day for an open training session

At the start of the day, Hansen spoke to the crowd and what stuck out for me was, that this was our last preseason session. Took that as workloads will taper off and focus more on match day drills, match sims, etc. Think some players are already tapering, others looked heavy in the legs

The other thing Hansen mentioned was that the list was in a healthy state, apart from Boyd, Philp and Williams. While i noticed there were still players in the rehab group, they are more advanced in their workloads

Pace of the session was highish, skills generally clean. Will detail some of the possible gameplan changes at a later date

I left end of match sim

• Jsos, typical Jack, created options, always fighting for front spot, never stopped. Goal kicking was average. End of the session, seemed to tweak an ankle, but stayed out there and was doing some goal kicking, moved freely
• Dow, was like a different footballer from the last session I saw. Was running on top of the ground, looked quick and strong. Running past for handball receives, involved in chains, kicks were hitting targets and great decisions when releasing a handball. Still behind our main mids, but was very encouraging. One of the standouts of the session
• Mots, seriously leg to body ratio has the biggest legs out there. Another preseason for the top half but well on the way. Think he is in for a very good season
• LOB, again impressed with his positioning, and kicking. Think he is a lock for round 1 wing
• Cerra, all class, moved well and never seemed pressured. With Walsh out early, will be a starting centre bounce mid, which I believe suits him perfectly
• Williams
• Kennedy, physically, best shape I have seen him in, moved freely, tough and was showing even more intent. A lock for round 1
• Fog, increased workload, involved in some of the match sim, moved freely enough. Personally think he is carrying a bit too much weight, should start round 1 VFL
• Cripps, was involved but seem to be holding back a little which is fine. Body looks more defined, moving well, will be ripe for round 1
• McKay, think this is the best he has moved in a preseason. What impressed me most was he was always on the move, and actually fighting hard to find and keep front position. Expecting a massive year from H
• Gov, unsighted
• TDK, that's 2 sessions where he has been a tad underwhelming, although he did look heavy in the legs. Needs to stop trying to take school yard mark of the year and play the percentages. Kicking was lazy
• Acres, just a smart, big body, mature, cool headed player. Great pick up
• Hollands, or should i say Walsh-Lite. Really impressed me, compared to the last sighting. Never stopped running, when he has the ball in motion, he will break lines, wants to take the game on, will run and carry if there is space in front of him. Kicking in general play was very good, actually placing the ball in front of a teammate. In traffic and or with more heat on, his disposal was sub par, needs to release quicker and not take on a player unless he has some momentum. 1 of 6 players that will be fighting for a bench spot
• Doc, Williams going down won't change a thing, he will play in the middle. Although, suspect he will spend time as a defensive mid to had some speed in the back half
• Carroll, not involved as much as last outing, but was used a bit on the wing, inside and 1 out. Looks strong and confident, 1 of 6 players that will be fighting for a bench spot
• Kemp, didn't notice him much, but given he has been playing as a KPD in these match sims, it's no surprise. Has filled out, moving well.
• Walsh, running laps, lots of laps. Fitness wise he would be ready to go, but seems they are holding him back
• C Durdin, over the shoulder surgery and looks quick. A couple involvements in the around the ground stoppages, read the ball well in the forward half. Of the 2, think Durdin will have the more consistent year, Mots might have a couple of 4 goal games
• Plow, looks healthy, moved well, played the percentages. Think he plays round 1, given the injuries
• Martin, still on a modified program but everything he was involved in was at high pace. Round 1 lock
• Marchbank, not as advanced as Martin, probably at 80% but was moving well. Think he will be right to go round 1 VFL
• Weitering, looked leg heavy but didn't seem to effect his play. Although, couple of times McKay outworked him.
• Newman, has trimmed down, footskills still penetrating, a lock for now
• Fisher, has moved well every time I have seen him. Will play HHF, pushing up at times. Makes smart decisions and expecting further improvement this year
• Cowan, liked what I saw. The knock for me in his draft year was not using shorter targets by foot enough, but it was his first option today. Strong overhead, kicking was accurate. Will take time to develop, but could feature 2nd half of the year
• Pitto, not unlike TDK, underwhelming but still building from surgery. Just a stoppage ruckman, not much else
• Cuners, yes it was a little exciting to see him more involved than I thought he would be and looked really clean apart from some bad bonces. Kicking both sides of the body was elite. Push for round 1? No unlikely, but will have start round 1 VFL. No strapping at all
• Hewett, Mr Professional, never rushed, stands up in a tackle, hits targets on either side of the body. Fit and a lock for round 1
• Charlie, still the best in-play kick in the side. Set shots, he actually went back, took his time, despite 1 miss. Looks better than last year
• Lemmey, not ready body wise, but all other aspects, yes. Very clever with his leading in an open or congested forward line, massive tank, needs more sprint work/intent. Kicking is elite at goal (yes better than Charlie and Big H) as well as round the ground. Wouldn't disgrace himself if there was an injury. If he stays fit, will kick 40 in the VFL
• Binns, not as prominent as Hollands, but more disciplined and measured. Holds a wide position on a wing, defensive first mindset and makes good decisions/execution by foot
• Young, his normal self in the air, rusty when it hit the deck. Not surprising missing some sessions
• Philp unsighted
• Ed, did Ed things, but actually used the ball well by foot while playing a more outside/wing role. 1 of 6 players that will be fighting for a bench spot
• Honey, was one touch gathering but really rusty releasing the ball. Still heavily strapped right knee, unsure whether he will be ready for VFL opener. But great to see him ramping up workload
• Boyd
• S Durdin, just a good old fashioned defender. Nice to have a backup for injury and or form slump
• Akuei, really underdone, but played back in the match sims. IMHO, more likely to make it as a forward
• Saad, think he is just waiting for the season to start. Did everything well, but never took off on runs. Will have another great year
• Owies, probably the hardest working forward, disciplined, but just lacks that xfactor. Behind Mots, Durds, Fisher, Martin
• Mirkov. Miles off, full year in the VFL until he can improve his workrate
• Cotts

Didn't see and or notice Cincotta. Parks was actually good, Ronke has lost a lot of touch, but will do well in our VFL side


Locks given what I have seen this preseason and considering injuries


Plow Weitering Newman
Gov Young or S Durdin Saad

Pitto Hewett Doc
Acres Cripps LOB

Martin Charlie Fisher
Mots McKay Durdin

Kemp Kennedy Jsos Cerra

Sub ????

Last spot up for grabs, TDK, Carroll, Hollands, Owies, Dow (yes that's right), Ed

Practice matches will be very interesting

Thanks A. Brilliant.

And, inexplicably, just so pleased to hear of Dow’s progress.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Put some damn respect on Plowman's durability.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Put some damn respect on Plowman's durability.

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[teddy-hopkins]

Playing O’Brien/Cottrell/etc ahead of Newnes is hardly the same as playing Dow ahead of Cripps/Kennedy/Hewett/Cerra…

There were occasions where those guys missed games. We could have shuffled things around to fit Dow but didn't. We then moved Doc to the midfield late in the season to keep Dow out which robbed our backline a lot. I just think you reward form at the VFL level. Very dangerous otherwise. You end up losing very good players. GC do this repeatedly.

 

[Matty411]

Great day for an open training session

At the start of the day, Hansen spoke to the crowd and what stuck out for me was, that this was our last preseason session. Took that as workloads will taper off and focus more on match day drills, match sims, etc. Think some players are already tapering, others looked heavy in the legs

The other thing Hansen mentioned was that the list was in a healthy state, apart from Boyd, Philp and Williams. While i noticed there were still players in the rehab group, they are more advanced in their workloads

Pace of the session was highish, skills generally clean. Will detail some of the possible gameplan changes at a later date

I left end of match sim

• Jsos, typical Jack, created options, always fighting for front spot, never stopped. Goal kicking was average. End of the session, seemed to tweak an ankle, but stayed out there and was doing some goal kicking, moved freely
• Dow, was like a different footballer from the last session I saw. Was running on top of the ground, looked quick and strong. Running past for handball receives, involved in chains, kicks were hitting targets and great decisions when releasing a handball. Still behind our main mids, but was very encouraging. One of the standouts of the session
• Mots, seriously leg to body ratio has the biggest legs out there. Another preseason for the top half but well on the way. Think he is in for a very good season
• LOB, again impressed with his positioning, and kicking. Think he is a lock for round 1 wing
• Cerra, all class, moved well and never seemed pressured. With Walsh out early, will be a starting centre bounce mid, which I believe suits him perfectly
• Williams
• Kennedy, physically, best shape I have seen him in, moved freely, tough and was showing even more intent. A lock for round 1
• Fog, increased workload, involved in some of the match sim, moved freely enough. Personally think he is carrying a bit too much weight, should start round 1 VFL
• Cripps, was involved but seem to be holding back a little which is fine. Body looks more defined, moving well, will be ripe for round 1
• McKay, think this is the best he has moved in a preseason. What impressed me most was he was always on the move, and actually fighting hard to find and keep front position. Expecting a massive year from H
• Gov, unsighted
• TDK, that's 2 sessions where he has been a tad underwhelming, although he did look heavy in the legs. Needs to stop trying to take school yard mark of the year and play the percentages. Kicking was lazy
• Acres, just a smart, big body, mature, cool headed player. Great pick up
• Hollands, or should i say Walsh-Lite. Really impressed me, compared to the last sighting. Never stopped running, when he has the ball in motion, he will break lines, wants to take the game on, will run and carry if there is space in front of him. Kicking in general play was very good, actually placing the ball in front of a teammate. In traffic and or with more heat on, his disposal was sub par, needs to release quicker and not take on a player unless he has some momentum. 1 of 6 players that will be fighting for a bench spot
• Doc, Williams going down won't change a thing, he will play in the middle. Although, suspect he will spend time as a defensive mid to add some speed in the back half
• Carroll, not involved as much as last outing, but was used a bit on the wing, inside and 1 out. Looks strong and confident, 1 of 6 players that will be fighting for a bench spot
• Kemp, didn't notice him much, but given he has been playing as a KPD in these match sims, it's no surprise. Has filled out, moving well.
• Walsh, running laps, lots of laps. Fitness wise he would be ready to go, but seems they are holding him back
• C Durdin, over the shoulder surgery and looks quick. A couple involvements in the around the ground stoppages, read the ball well in the forward half. Of the 2, think Durdin will have the more consistent year, Mots might have a couple of 4 goal games
• Plow, looks healthy, moved well, played the percentages. Think he plays round 1, given the injuries
• Martin, still on a modified program but everything he was involved in was at high pace. Round 1 lock
• Marchbank, not as advanced as Martin, probably at 80% but was moving well. Think he will be right to go round 1 VFL
• Weitering, looked leg heavy but didn't seem to effect his play. Although, couple of times McKay outworked him.
• Newman, has trimmed down, footskills still penetrating, a lock for now
• Fisher, has moved well every time I have seen him. Will play HHF, pushing up at times. Makes smart decisions and expecting further improvement this year
• Cowan, liked what I saw. The knock for me in his draft year was not using shorter targets by foot enough, but it was his first option today. Strong overhead, kicking was accurate. Will take time to develop, but could feature 2nd half of the year
• Pitto, not unlike TDK, underwhelming but still building from surgery. Just a stoppage ruckman, not much else
• Cuners, yes it was a little exciting to see him more involved than I thought he would be and looked really clean apart from some bad bonces. Kicking both sides of the body was elite. Push for round 1? No unlikely, but will have start round 1 VFL. No strapping at all
• Hewett, Mr Professional, never rushed, stands up in a tackle, hits targets on either side of the body. Fit and a lock for round 1
• Charlie, still the best in-play kick in the side. Set shots, he actually went back, took his time, despite 1 miss. Looks better than last year
• Lemmey, not ready body wise, but all other aspects, yes. Very clever with his leading in an open or congested forward line, massive tank, needs more sprint work/intent. Kicking is elite at goal (yes better than Charlie and Big H) as well as round the ground. Wouldn't disgrace himself if there was an injury. If he stays fit, will kick 40 in the VFL
• Binns, not as prominent as Hollands, but more disciplined and measured. Holds a wide position on a wing, defensive first mindset and makes good decisions/execution by foot
• Young, his normal self in the air, rusty when it hit the deck. Not surprising missing some sessions
• Philp unsighted
• Ed, did Ed things, but actually used the ball well by foot while playing a more outside/wing role. 1 of 6 players that will be fighting for a bench spot
• Honey, was one touch gathering but really rusty releasing the ball. Still heavily strapped right knee, unsure whether he will be ready for VFL opener. But great to see him ramping up workload
• Boyd
• S Durdin, just a good old fashioned defender. Nice to have a backup for injury and or form slump
• Akuei, really underdone, but played back in the match sims. IMHO, more likely to make it as a forward
• Saad, think he is just waiting for the season to start. Did everything well, but never took off on runs. Will have another great year
• Owies, probably the hardest working forward, disciplined, but just lacks that xfactor. Behind Mots, Durds, Fisher, Martin
• Mirkov. Miles off, full year in the VFL until he can improve his workrate
• Cotts

Didn't see and or notice Cincotta. Parks was actually good, Ronke has lost a lot of touch, but will do well in our VFL side


Locks given what I have seen this preseason and considering injuries


Plow Weitering Newman
Gov Young or S Durdin Saad

Pitto Hewett Doc
Acres Cripps LOB

Martin Charlie Fisher
Mots McKay Durdin

Kemp Kennedy Jsos Cerra

Sub ????

Last spot up for grabs, TDK, Carroll, Hollands, Owies, Dow (yes that's right), Ed

Practice matches will be very interesting

 

[Arr0w]

There were occasions where those guys missed games. We could have shuffled things around to fit Dow but didn't. We then moved Doc to the midfield late in the season to keep Dow out which robbed our backline a lot. I just think you reward form at the VFL level. Very dangerous otherwise. You end up losing very good players. GC do this repeatedly.

Yes, you should reward good VFL form, but output needs to be above what AFL players are producing

Dow had a couple of call ups, but struggled, Doc and Setters play through the middle and showed way more

Dow is a mid only, so unless he has an impact, with and without the ball, he will struggle to cement himself, at any club

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Yes, you should reward good VFL form, but output needs to be above what AFL players are producing

Dow had a couple of call ups, but struggled, Doc and Setters play through the middle and showed way more

Dow is a mid only, so unless he has an impact, with and without the ball, he will struggle to cement himself, at any club

Tough line between good VFL form and poor AFL form?

 

[katmanblue]

Hoping they run more of these open sessions during school holidays. While there was a decent turn out, last time it was huge amount of people

Next one mid March

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[Juice030103]

Plowman does a lot of good things


It just feels his mistakes are always so costly and at the worst times which is why he gets the bashing he does.

He’s a bagger tho and if he’s the option, we should all be behind him