Opinion 2024 AFL Draft - Nights 1 & 2, from 7pm AEST

[Bonz]

To me the big point with Logan is how far from goal he is asked to play. IMO it has cost him 10 goals or thereabouts. If he is played closer to goal and has better chemistry with Amartey in particular I reckon he'll go close to 50 this year. That would be a very fair return.

I also think he has given great value up the ground.

His performance in the prelim before rolling his ankle was exceptional, he was really coming into his own.

People forget his a developing forward, they take longer to build.

 

[bedford]

Bob Skilton, who was naturally left footed, was just as skilled with his right. Pretty sure one season when he had an injury to his left leg, he participated in World of Sport's Champion Kick Competition using his right. Made the final round IIRC. Each competitor had to be accurate kicking for goal and there was a longest kick section. They also had to kick drop kicks, stab passes and torpedo punts. He was a freakishly skilled player.

Greg Williams was another who had a great wrong (left) foot. Along with his vision and footy brain, it more than made up for his lack of speed.

You are correct with Skilts , it was after his Achillies injury and he missed a full season , might've won another brownlow

 

[Bloods86]

Probably a bit harder to make a GF now with Cox taking over, in his first year at least.

Makes the Bice selection (as opposed to developing types we needed) even more questionable.

 

[McRobie]

You called him a bust, and even doubled down here saying we've busted on every first round pick since 2018 thats essentially calling him a failure. Also Logan is doing more than fine for a 21-22 year old key forward well above average in this regard especially one who was impacted by covid years.

I also wouldn't say we have busted every first round selection since 2018, definitely had some failures but some selections are still up in the air. Plus overall our drafts have been successes with plenty of hits in the second and third rounds. Overall we are ahead of most clubs with our recent drafting and our recent success and young list shows it.

2023 - Will Green - Young developing ruckman, showed some great signs in the reserves this year. Too early to call a bust or not. Clearly (Academy) and Snell both developing nicely, but too early to tell.
2022 - Konstanty - Yeah is a bust, no arguments there (But we have been on record saying we didn't rate this draft). Only Mitchell and Owen remaining from this draft - Failure
2021 - Sheldrick - Injuries aside when he has been in the side he has performed (In particular his stint in 2023 in our side). Ideally he gets a preseason this year, honestly I think he will be a ripping player and his rated highly within the club (This draft in general is shaping to be a belter for us with Roberts and Corey Warner picked after him). Pass
2020 - McDonald - Big tick at this stage, Campbell Academy - Definitely needs to step up this year but showing signs, Gulden Academy. Pass
2019 - Stephens - Not a talent issue and was rated around our pick, but a bust at this selection. Missed on Gould and Taylor (for reasons outside our control) but this draft is given a big tick due to our selection of Chad Warner. Pass
2018 - Blakey Academy - Big tick. Rowbottom and McInerney both selected in second round. Pass

Overall I would call 4 of our last 6 drafts passes with one failure and 2023 is far too early to make a call on yet. Even if you look at just our first round selections they have been a bit hit and miss, but look through other clubs recent draft history and majority are like that.

The fact you gave Stephens a pass says it all.

 

[Bonz]

The fact you gave Stephens a pass says it all.

I didn't give Stephens a pass. I gave that draft a pass as we recruited Chad Warner from it.

 

[McRobie]

I didn't give Stephens a pass. I gave that draft a pass as we recruited Chad Warner from it.

I mean that’s obviously fair but we weren’t having a discussing about the entire draft.
Anyway the long and the short of it neither of us will be right or wrong on Bowman for years to come.
Anyway it’s good to have disagreement with decent discussion, and we both ultimately hope Bowen hits. I’d happily be awfully wrong on him.

 

[bedford]

Probably a bit harder to make a GF now with Cox taking over, in his first year at least.

Makes the Bice selection (as opposed to developing types we needed) even more questionable.

Why , Horse got one didn't he , what a ridiculous post

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Probably a bit harder to make a GF now with Cox taking over, in his first year at least.

Makes the Bice selection (as opposed to developing types we needed) even more questionable.

Horse wasn't winning one so why not get a new set of eyes in there. Cox was the one making these decisions on draft night for a reason.

 

[Bloods86]

Why , Horse got one didn't he , what a ridiculous post

Huh?

Horse didn't make a grand final in his first year.

I'm not saying anyone has to, I'm saying it's less likely to occur.

 

[Bloods86]

Horse wasn't winning one so why not get a new set of eyes in there. Cox was the one making these decisions on draft night for a reason.

Huh?

Not sure how this relates to my post, but if Cox was the one pushing for Bice, doesn't bode well.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Huh?

Not sure how this relates to my post, but if Cox was the one pushing for Bice, doesn't bode well.

Maybe he wants to shift Roberts to the midfield, I don't know. There's merit in that for sure. I actually like the Bice pick means Campbell is nowhere near a backline

 

[Bloods86]

Maybe he wants to shift Roberts to the midfield, I don't know. There's merit in that for sure. I actually like the Bice pick means Campbell is nowhere near a backline

Roberts to mids is the only explanation, but I don't know why we'd do that, since he's doing well.

People say Bice is replacing Lloyd, no, Roberts is that replacement. We can probably afford to have one of Lloyd or Florent out of the 22 now already, if Jmac is fit.

We could have drafted a mid instead, even a mature ager. Less movements in total.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Roberts to mids is the only explanation, but I don't know why we'd do that, since he's doing well.

People say Bice is replacing Lloyd, no, Roberts is that replacement. We can probably afford to have one of Lloyd or Florent out of the 22 now already, if Jmac is fit.

We could have drafted a mid instead, even a mature ager. Less movements in total.

To be fair the Roberts move to the midfield in the GF was one of the few bright sports in that disaster. Just having another option that isn't Campbell in the backline is a positive. I would have taken Kennedy with our next pick personally.

 

[Bloods86]

To be fair the Roberts move to the midfield in the GF was one of the few bright sports in that disaster. Just having another option that isn't Campbell in the backline is a positive. I would have taken Kennedy with our next pick personally.

I think it's a bit simplistic to look at late moves once the Lions had it in the bag.

Roberts should stay in defence really.

So no need for Bice or Campbell back there.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I think it's a bit simplistic to look at late moves once the Lions had it in the bag.

Roberts should stay in defence really.

So no need for Bice or Campbell back there.

It's a move I'd to see us try in the pre season can always move him back if need be. Doing the same will end the same way- not winning. Hopefully Deano is more fluid in moving the deck chairs around both before and during games, Horse for all his good things was very safe with this

 

[Bloods86]

It's a move I'd to see us try in the pre season can always move him back if need be. Doing the same will end the same way- not winning. Hopefully Deano is more fluid in moving the deck chairs around both before and during games, Horse for all his good things was very safe with this

But why?

Mills, Sheldrick to mids.

Campbell, Warner to forwards.

Cleary to forwards.

Cleary, Warner to still chop out in mids.

None of it requires Roberts to move from defence where he was doing well. None of it required picking a half back in the Top 40.

 

[mcs095]

Probably a bit harder to make a GF now with Cox taking over, in his first year at least.

Makes the Bice selection (as opposed to developing types we needed) even more questionable.

What is so questionable about the Bice deal in particular?

At worst, he is a depth player straightaway. At best, he is a ready to go addition to the 23 in Rd 1 if it makes sense with where all the magnets land.

Yes we took him fairly early and probably overpaid to some degree - but we were probably willing to do so in order to have a player that should be ready to go if he fits in. He isn't going to be a superstar, but he has all the hallmarks of being well placed to add to the team quickly.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

But why?

Mills, Sheldrick to mids.

Campbell, Warner to forwards.

Cleary to forwards.

Cleary, Warner to still chop out in mids.

None of it requires Roberts to move from defence where he was doing well. None of it required picking a half back in the Top 40.

Rather not have Campbell there and changing it up through our mids is important even if it’s a few mins here and there.

 

[BloodySwan]

What is so questionable about the Bice deal in particular?

At worst, he is a depth player straightaway. At best, he is a ready to go addition to the 23 in Rd 1 if it makes sense with where all the magnets land.

Yes we took him fairly early and probably overpaid to some degree - but we were probably willing to do so in order to have a player that should be ready to go if he fits in. He isn't going to be a superstar, but he has all the hallmarks of being well placed to add to the team quickly.

Tom Stewart was 23 when he was drafted. Had he been taken at pick 1 the Cats would still be happy with that selection.

At 24 Bice will have every chance to play 10 seasons, still worth pick 41

 

[mcs095]

Tom Stewart was 23 when he was drafted. Had he been taken at pick 1 the Cats would still be happy with that selection.

At 24 Bice will have every chance to play 10 seasons, still worth pick 41

I think we paid a fair price for Bice - but equally I could understand how people might think we paid over the top for him. But you are right, if he proves any good he has a good decade at the AFL level in him potentially.

Rampe after all hasn't done too bad for someone taken from a similar sort of profile after all.

 

[Bloods86]

What is so questionable about the Bice deal in particular?

At worst, he is a depth player straightaway. At best, he is a ready to go addition to the 23 in Rd 1 if it makes sense with where all the magnets land.

Yes we took him fairly early and probably overpaid to some degree - but we were probably willing to do so in order to have a player that should be ready to go if he fits in. He isn't going to be a superstar, but he has all the hallmarks of being well placed to add to the team quickly.

I don't care about the price. If he was a need, it'd be fine.

Because it's probably our best stocked position already, and then we went and added 2 more who can play there in the rookie draft (though I'm ok with that as they also play lockdown, which we did need).

I.e. We already had Blakey, Roberts, Florent, Lloyd, Jmac, Campbell and Fox if needed.

Instead of using that pick to address actual needs, like a bigger KPD, a KPF, a mid, even another medium forward.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I don't care about the price. If he was a need, it'd be fine.

Because it's probably our best stocked position already, and then we went and added 2 more who can play there in the rookie draft (though I'm ok with that as they also play lockdown, which we did need).

I.e. We already had Blakey, Roberts, Florent, Lloyd, Jmac, Campbell and Fox if needed.

Instead of using that pick to address actual needs, like a bigger KPD, a KPF, a mid, even another medium forward.

None of Campbell or Lloyd should be near the backline and Fox is a year by year deal.

We picked a KPD with our next pick. Did I want a Key forward yes but understand if we go to 2 forwards one of the 3 in the side is the backup

 

[Bloods86]

None of Campbell or Lloyd should be near the backline and Fox is a year by year deal.

We picked a KPD with our next pick. Did I want a Key forward yes but understand if we go to 2 forwards one of the 3 in the side is the backup

My point is we have way more options in the position already, than others. And we drafted 2 more who can play there in the rookie draft.

You're ignoring the point re: KPD.

And you're assuming we re-structure the side, which no-one knows will be happening.

Even granted those two positions, we'd have been better off getting a mid or another medium forward (if we are in fact going smaller).

 

[LukeParkerno1]

My point is we have way more options in the position already, than others. And we drafted 2 more who can play there in the rookie draft.

You're ignoring the point re: KPD.

And you're assuming we re-structure the side, which no-one knows will be happening.

Even granted those two positions, we'd have been better off getting a mid or another medium forward (if we are in fact going smaller).

It could have been worse if we matched Cochran at least, 4th pick was perfect for our needs I still personally would have traded into the draft using our f2 or something though

 

[Bloods86]

It could have been worse if we matched Cochran at least, 4th pick was perfect for our needs I still personally would have traded into the draft using our f2 or something though

I agree on Cochran, but not really relevant.

4th pick is on a smaller KPD, which is fine, but didn't really address the bigger KPD need

I'd also have traded in, but going back to the Bice pick, I'd have no confidence that our list team uses it on a need.