No Oppo Supporters 2024 AFL General Discussion

[bedford]

Repeating the same thing on three boards 78 times doesn’t make you right.

Unless the knee is lifted to 90 deg or higher, the point of the knee will make 1st contact and is more likely to cause injury

Players know this - Players also know atm its a ‘luck of the draw’ how much damage is done (just like the slam tackle)

Where a player is hurt, the AFL have an obligation to examine the action - regardless of how much injury you think is ‘part of a contact sport’

DON'T GO ONTO OTHER AFL BOARDS SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT !
Also what has Blake Hardwick got to do with this ?
By chance did you ever play ?

 

[MF]

I think I will be accused of being one eyed but JPK should be above Bont and Gawn.

Pendlebury

Hawks won 3 flags maybe Hodge

agreed. If being a big game player elevates your status the way it has with Martin then JPK deserves to be elevated because of it. Not sure I'd squeeze him into my top 5 in that time but he's definitely in contention.

 

[MF]

If he can stay injury free and adapt to a tag.,

Adapt to a tag?

I don't think anyone's done it successfully yet. Touk Miller had a crack last year and couldn't go with him the whole game.

 

[Ticky009]

Excellent article as always from the ABC

Some have said the travel factor for WA sporting teams is overstated. This researcher says otherwise

Travel is a hot-button issue in the AFL this season, with both WA sides doing what they can to mitigate the burden. Now a researcher, embedded with Super Rugby side the Western Force, explains just how draining the flights can be.

www.abc.net.au

 

[wolftone57]

Correct me if I am deluded, I am old and have PTSD so I might be hearing things. But did Anthony Hudson just say North Melbourne will be Collingwood? Even with a reserves side Pies could give Kangas a 100 point start & still win by 50. This could be one of the great blow outs of all time. If Huddo is going on last week against a very undermanned Eagles the Now, I have no idea what alternative reality Huddo, Kangas just got over the line. They are coming up against last years premiers, not last year's Wooden Spooners. I know he is a Cats supporter & they are incredibly, & unrealistically at times, boyant every year for their side & it seems others as well. But Huddo really? North beating Pies? Mike Tyson has a better chance of becoming Word Heavy Weight Champion at 57.

 

[Millky95]

Correct me if I am deluded, I am old and have PTSD so I might be hearing things. But did Anthony Hudson just say North Melbourne will be Collingwood? Even with a reserves side Pies could give Kangas a 100 point start & still win by 50. This could be one of the great blow outs of all time. If Huddo is going on last week against a very undermanned Eagles the Now, I have no idea what alternative reality Huddo, Kangas just got over the line. They are coming up against last years premiers, not last year's Wooden Spooners. I know he is a Cats supporter & they are incredibly, & unrealistically at times, boyant every year for their side & it seems others as well. But Huddo really? North beating Pies? Mike Tyson has a better chance of becoming Word Heavy Weight Champion at 57.

He said last night that if Nick Daicos doesn't play, North are a chance of beating Collingwood

 

[SM]

Correct me if I am deluded, I am old and have PTSD so I might be hearing things. But did Anthony Hudson just say North Melbourne will be Collingwood? Even with a reserves side Pies could give Kangas a 100 point start & still win by 50. This could be one of the great blow outs of all time. If Huddo is going on last week against a very undermanned Eagles the Now, I have no idea what alternative reality Huddo, Kangas just got over the line. They are coming up against last years premiers, not last year's Wooden Spooners. I know he is a Cats supporter & they are incredibly, & unrealistically at times, boyant every year for their side & it seems others as well. But Huddo really? North beating Pies? Mike Tyson has a better chance of becoming Word Heavy Weight Champion at 57.

The Pies are missing a lot of key players and the suggestion was if Nick Daicos is also missing that the Roos, off the back of a big win in the West, could get over the top. I don't think it's as absurd as you're making it. He just said they have a chance not are sure things.

 

[DeathlyAccurate]

Correct me if I am deluded, I am old and have PTSD so I might be hearing things. But did Anthony Hudson just say North Melbourne will be Collingwood? Even with a reserves side Pies could give Kangas a 100 point start & still win by 50. This could be one of the great blow outs of all time. If Huddo is going on last week against a very undermanned Eagles the Now, I have no idea what alternative reality Huddo, Kangas just got over the line. They are coming up against last years premiers, not last year's Wooden Spooners. I know he is a Cats supporter & they are incredibly, & unrealistically at times, boyant every year for their side & it seems others as well. But Huddo really? North beating Pies? Mike Tyson has a better chance of becoming Word Heavy Weight Champion at 57.

Simmer down. You’re talking about Collingwood not the 2013-15 Hawks.


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[Syd]

The Pies are missing a lot of key players and the suggestion was if Nick Daicos is also missing that the Roos, off the back of a big win in the West, could get over the top. I don't think it's as absurd as you're making it. He just said they have a chance not are sure things.

If the Pies lose you can blame the travel factor.
Loooong way from the MCG to Docklands

 

[Dubai Quacker]

If the Pies lose you can blame the travel factor.
Loooong way from the MCG to Docklands

Essendon can't blame the travel factor.

They basically don't leave Marvel Stadium for the rest of the season, except for the odd bus ride down the road to the MCG.

 

[Jewelsbon]

The Pies are missing a lot of key players and the suggestion was if Nick Daicos is also missing that the Roos, off the back of a big win in the West, could get over the top. I don't think it's as absurd as you're making it. He just said they have a chance not are sure things.

Sorry I reckon it's still absurd even with no Daicos and all their injuries, the pies would still skin North alive - WC kicked 18 behinds and North still only beat them by 9.

 

[Millky95]

Sorry I reckon it's still absurd even with no Daicos and all their injuries, the pies would still skin North alive - WC kicked 18 behinds and North still only beat them by 9.

I agree with you but it'd be really ****ing funny if North won

 

[caesar88]

But doesn't that prove the point? Presumably in finals you have good sides and yet if it's a flogging one group of players couldn't handle the pressure and couldn't perform, makes the great performances good:

Otherwise aren't you arguing the best players are only players who perform when it's close or their teams lose?

I don't think one group of players not handling the pressure automatically means the other group of players did handle the pressure. I'd argue if one group of players hasn't handled the pressure then that immediately releases the pressure valve on the other group.

The key word would also be 'group'. If you've flogged a team in a final then chances are it's been a great team effort. So again, your day's been made easier by having a lot of help.

 

[SM]

I don't think one group of players not handling the pressure automatically means the other group of players did handle the pressure. I'd argue if one group of players hasn't handled the pressure then that immediately releases the pressure valve on the other group.

The key word would also be 'group'. If you've flogged a team in a final then chances are it's been a great team effort. So again, your day's been made easier by having a lot of help.

But how can one group not handle 'the pressure' if the other group isn't applying said pressure?

 

[The King!]

I don't think one group of players not handling the pressure automatically means the other group of players did handle the pressure. I'd argue if one group of players hasn't handled the pressure then that immediately releases the pressure valve on the other group.

The key word would also be 'group'. If you've flogged a team in a final then chances are it's been a great team effort. So again, your day's been made easier by having a lot of help.

Yes AFL players cannot generally win a game alone, even if you kick 12 goals, you needed the ball kicked to you . But you can be the best player on the field in a game, and clearly have the most influence on the win.

I just don't quite get this idea that the pressure disappears because the opposition suddenly are not good enough .

Grand final day it's all or nothing, you would agree? Win now or you arguably may as well not have made it, we count premierships one for players and coaches. A mistake could cost the game, there is no next week. Even if the opposition are terrible the stakes are still high and there is pressure form there.

Even at half time in 2022 , if Geelong relax and say oh well the other teams folded, the Swans could have come back.

So I just cannot agree the pressure and stakes ever fade on the rare occasion the opponent is poor.

Also if the opponent is poor, then isn't due to the team.

The team relies on its best to perform , in fact usually a team that doesn't perform it is because their best players were done, eg Parker , Mills, Buddy 2022 for example were well down and we lost.

If you look at match winners and big game players they play their standard or better in those games and have patches of turning the game, eg Dusty.

There is not automatic great player but I think you can see the big game players imo

 

[caesar88]

Yes AFL players cannot generally win a game alone, even if you kick 12 goals, you needed the ball kicked to you . But you can be the best player on the field in a game, and clearly have the most influence on the win.

I just don't quite get this idea that the pressure disappears because the opposition suddenly are not good enough .

Grand final day it's all or nothing, you would agree? Win now or you arguably may as well not have made it, we count premierships one for players and coaches. A mistake could cost the game, there is no next week. Even if the opposition are terrible the stakes are still high and there is pressure form there.

Even at half time in 2022 , if Geelong relax and say oh well the other teams folded, the Swans could have come back.

So I just cannot agree the pressure and stakes ever fade on the rare occasion the opponent is poor.

Also if the opponent is poor, then isn't due to the team.

The team relies on its best to perform , in fact usually a team that doesn't perform it is because their best players were done, eg Parker , Mills, Buddy 2022 for example were well down and we lost.

If you look at match winners and big game players they play their standard or better in those games and have patches of turning the game, eg Dusty.

There is not automatic great player but I think you can see the big game players imo

Not sure how you could've watched us in 2014 and 2022 and thought we were difficult opposition for Hawthorn & Geelong respectively in any way, shape or form?

Luke Hodge spoke about that 2014 GF and he said it was the eeriest feeling as the Hawks were basically playing kick-to-kick and he couldn't believe they were being allowed to do that and there was 100k people there but he forgot it was even the grand final after a while. He won the Norm Smith that day - deservingly - but it would've ranked in the lowest-intensity matches of the 346 he played.

It's the same concept as what you have been saying about Essendon all this year. Their form doesn't count for much as they haven't done it against quality opposition. I think the same applies to individuals.

Dustin Martin is a great big game player for me not because of his three Norm Smiths, one of which was won in a game that was over by quarter time (and he wasn't the BOG to that point, either), but because of his countless other games and finals where the opposition was fierce and he proved to be the difference with important plays in important moments.

But I think we're looking at the topic from slightly different angles. I think you're focusing on the occasion and I'm focusing on the game itself. I think the two things are both important but aren't the same.

 

[bedford]

Excellent article as always from the ABC

Some have said the travel factor for WA sporting teams is overstated. This researcher says otherwise

Travel is a hot-button issue in the AFL this season, with both WA sides doing what they can to mitigate the burden. Now a researcher, embedded with Super Rugby side the Western Force, explains just how draining the flights can be.

www.abc.net.au

THE CEO of the Storm was on SEN earlier and he said late in the season travel is a factor

 

[bedford]

Yes AFL players cannot generally win a game alone, even if you kick 12 goals, you needed the ball kicked to you . But you can be the best player on the field in a game, and clearly have the most influence on the win.

I just don't quite get this idea that the pressure disappears because the opposition suddenly are not good enough .

Grand final day it's all or nothing, you would agree? Win now or you arguably may as well not have made it, we count premierships one for players and coaches. A mistake could cost the game, there is no next week. Even if the opposition are terrible the stakes are still high and there is pressure form there.

Even at half time in 2022 , if Geelong relax and say oh well the other teams folded, the Swans could have come back.

So I just cannot agree the pressure and stakes ever fade on the rare occasion the opponent is poor.

Also if the opponent is poor, then isn't due to the team.

The team relies on its best to perform , in fact usually a team that doesn't perform it is because their best players were done, eg Parker , Mills, Buddy 2022 for example were well down and we lost.

If you look at match winners and big game players they play their standard or better in those games and have patches of turning the game, eg Dusty.

There is not automatic great player but I think you can see the big game players imo

Is that your longest ever

 

[The King!]

Not sure how you could've watched us in 2014 and 2022 and thought we were difficult opposition for Hawthorn & Geelong respectively in any way, shape or form?

Luke Hodge spoke about that 2014 GF and he said it was the eeriest feeling as the Hawks were basically playing kick-to-kick and he couldn't believe they were being allowed to do that and there was 100k people there but he forgot it was even the grand final after a while. He won the Norm Smith that day - deservingly - but it would've ranked in the lowest-intensity matches of the 346 he played.

It's the same concept as what you have been saying about Essendon all this year. Their form doesn't count for much as they haven't done it against quality opposition. I think the same applies to individuals.

Dustin Martin is a great big game player for me not because of his three Norm Smiths, one of which was won in a game that was over by quarter time (and he wasn't the BOG to that point, either), but because of his countless other games and finals where the opposition was fierce and he proved to be the difference with important plays in important moments.

But I think we're looking at the topic from slightly different angles. I think you're focusing on the occasion and I'm focusing on the game itself. I think the two things are both important but aren't the same.

It's an interesting discussion mate that's for sure .

Luke Hodge maybe found that because he is such a good big game player and he can rationalise the nerves.

Rohan for instance got so nervous he went in and hid all day

 

[The King!]

Is that your longest ever

What's the point of that comment? are you having a go? or what?

 

[bedford]

What's the point of that comment? are you having a go? or what?

No way, im serious and gezz your fast

 

[The King!]

lol Spare me, their skipper went knee first at someone, hardly the caring club

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The 3AW Football team spoke about their views on the Petracca injury situation from the King’s Birthday against Collingwood. Sam McClure revealed that he had spoken to several Collingwood players during the week, including Jack Crisp. “There were a few Collingwood players that said to each...

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[Grand Uncle Horace]

I agree with you but it'd be really ****ing funny if North won

Nope. No win is a good win for Norf in any circumstances.

I am determined to see Norf fold or ,at minimum, amalgamate as a junior partner with another mob.

 

[The King!]

Nope. No win is a good win for Norf in any circumstances.

I am determined to see Norf fold or ,at minimum, amalgamate as a junior partner with another mob.

They can beat the Pies on the way to oblivion

 

[SM]

North match up well on the Pies too.