Prediction 2024 - Best 23 + Emergencies - Rolling

[JustOneTime]

Put another way, everyone would agree that Doch could replace Cunners/Owies due to their deficiencies. But doubt we see that happening with him replacing a specialist forward like Fantasia. If E Hollands shows up then we don't see Doch replacing him either. So there is collateral impact as Doch moves back to either defence, bench or wing as a 'starting role'.

Fantasia or Hollands or both come in. Docherty moves elsewhere meaning someone else's role is on the chopping block.

 

[Cringle]

Doc’s best position is as a winger. Playing defensively.

Acres, Docherty and Hollands as our wingers is now a strength.

Significant change to pre 2023.

 

[Arr0w]

Not sure why people are still trying to squeeze Doc into the back 7, especially given he played between the arcs for most of the year

With Williams returning its even less likely

 

[Arr0w]

Boyd Weitering Newman
McGovern Kemp/Young Saad

Pitto Cerra Walsh
Acres Cripps Doc

Williams Curnow Martin
Motlop McKay C Durdin

INT: TDK Marchbank Cottrell Hewett

EMG: Cowan Kennedy Hollands Silvagni

Stiff/In contention Fogarty Owies Cuningham Cincotta

The rest

Boyd has been a lock for me for some time.

Young will fight hard to regain his position, Kemp will improve. One or the other will start

Kennedy will probably be starting 22, but where and for who

Once again i have Jsos out of the side, but keeps putting his hand up

Williams would be the perfect forward/midfielder, but after doing a knee, club will probably start him behind the ball

Saw enough of Cowan to suggest he could lock in a position next year if he has a big preseason

Also backing in little Durdin to take a spot if he gets his body right

The 8 players, emergencies and in contention are pretty decent

Could we see a surprise in Binns or Carroll? Who knows, but it's exciting

Also based on Dow and Fisher being elsewhere next year

Update until preseason

Boyd Weitering McGovern
Williams Kemp/Young/Marchbank/S Durdin Saad

Pitto Cerra Walsh
Acres Cripps Doc

E Hollands Curnow Martin
Motlop McKay Fantasia

INT: TDK Newman Cottrell Hewett O Hollands

EMG: Cowan Kennedy Owies Silvagni

Stiff Cincotta C Durdin Cuners Fog Binns

The bolded players will be the most interesting for me. I'd like to see S Durdin/Young come in to release Weitering. Mostly likely it will be Marchbank and Kemp fighting for that spot

 

[carlton_99]

Update until preseason

Boyd Weitering McGovern
Williams Kemp/Young/Marchbank/S Durdin Saad

Pitto Cerra Walsh
Acres Cripps Doc

E Hollands Curnow Martin
Motlop McKay Fantasia

INT: TDK Newman Cottrell Hewett O Hollands

EMG: Cowan Kennedy Owies Silvagni

Stiff Cincotta C Durdin Cuners Fog Binns

The bolded players will be the most interesting for me. I'd like to see S Durdin/Young come in to release Weitering. Mostly likely it will be Marchbank and Kemp fighting for that spot

That's a very good team - forward line especially looks much improved. Hopefully we can get Fantasia and Hollands fit and firing.

 

[JustOneTime]

Not sure why people are still trying to squeeze Doc into the back 7, especially given he played between the arcs for most of the year

With Williams returning its even less likely

It isnt a long reach to put him back there. If you lined up 5 AFL coaches they could all have varying views on where to play him.

Docherty is an aging player and he has played 90% of his career game time in defence so it is an obvious link. He is better than Newman/Boyd back there.

Nothing wrong with a HBF 70% to 30% mid role for him as a consideration for next season. Depends on hollands really. If Hollands improves and owns it then the team only need a backup which could be any player (Doch/Cottrell/Hewett). Personally, i'd rather see Docherty pinch hit the midfield rather than wing while playing mostly HBF.

As for Docherty on the wing there was one thing i noticed in terms of differences between Docherty vs both Acres/Hollands. I only really saw Acres/Hollands (and Cottrell too) run hard enough to be in the defensive square and then again to be in the forward square. Docherty just doesn't have that capacity. It's one of the key requirement for the role so i'd give Hollands the first chance to own it.

As for last year and his role, well that is last years player's mix (we have new players in the mix now changing things). Pendlebury changes year-on-year based on what the Pies need. I think docherty's role can change to. Nothing to do with squeezing. More to do with re-evaluating player balance.

Not sure why some posters get stuck trying to stay the same when change is in their face.

 

[iAsbestos]

Doc’s best position is as a winger. Playing defensively.

Acres, Docherty and Hollands as our wingers is now a strength.

Significant change to pre 2023.

Half back imo

 

[Blue Pulse]

Update until preseason

Boyd Weitering McGovern
Williams Kemp/Young/Marchbank/S Durdin Saad

Pitto Cerra Walsh
Acres Cripps Doc

E Hollands Curnow Martin
Motlop McKay Fantasia

INT: TDK Newman Cottrell Hewett O Hollands

EMG: Cowan Kennedy Owies Silvagni

Stiff Cincotta C Durdin Cuners Fog Binns

The bolded players will be the most interesting for me. I'd like to see S Durdin/Young come in to release Weitering. Mostly likely it will be Marchbank and Kemp fighting for that spot

I feel we are now at a stage where we have (shall I say it) good depth with our list. There are a number of players who can come in and perform at a good level without us losing too much balance in the side. "If" we have a healthy list, I feel player management would be a really important role for Russell and his team to keep the fittest and healthiest players on the field every week.

Last season watching the game up close in the middle part of the season, we were brutal and it took a toll. You're not going to replace our best players with like for like, but if guys need a week or 2 to get back to the best, it should be looked at.

This of course is much easier to navigate if we get early wins on the board and are not relying on a 9 game winning streak to make finals.

 

[Arr0w]

It isnt a long reach to put him back there. If you lined up 5 AFL coaches they could all have varying views on where to play him.

We could line up 5 or 18 coaches and they might also think Doc is better suited in the midfield. Ultimately, none of that matters as its what Voss & co believe is best for the team

Docherty is an aging player and he has played 90% of his career game time in defence so it is an obvious link. He is better than Newman/Boyd back there.

Still doesn't matter where he played in the past, all it does is confirms that he has versatility. While Doc may be a better overall player, he isn't as strong defensively and his long hack kicks out of D50 became a concern, especially compared to Boyd and Newman

Nothing wrong with a HBF 70% to 30% mid role for him as a consideration for next season.

Nothing wrong with it at all, although not many players across the league split their time between those 2 areas, for obvious reasons

Depends on hollands really. If Hollands improves and owns it then the team only need a backup which could be any player (Doch/Cottrell/Hewett). Personally, i'd rather see Docherty pinch hit the midfield rather than wing while playing mostly HBF.

I never suggested it should be pinpointed to the wing or as a traditional midfielder, just that I don't believe he will return to the backline

As for Docherty on the wing there was one thing i noticed in terms of differences between Docherty vs both Acres/Hollands. I only really saw Acres/Hollands (and Cottrell too) run hard enough to be in the defensive square and then again to be in the forward square. Docherty just doesn't have that capacity. It's one of the key requirement for the role so i'd give Hollands the first chance to own it.

While those others are endurance beasts, doesn't mean Doc doesn't have endurance capacity. If you watched our games closely you would know that Cotts was the defensive cover for Doc when he was pushing forward

As for last year and his role, well that is last years player's mix (we have new players in the mix now changing things). Pendlebury changes year-on-year based on what the Pies need. I think docherty's role can change to. Nothing to do with squeezing. More to do with re-evaluating player balance.

Think that re-evaluation has already taken place

Not sure why some posters get stuck trying to stay the same when change is in their face.

Some struggle with pending change, others struggle to embrace the change that's occurred and want things to return to their own comfort levels.

I don't struggle with either

So, somewhat of a strange statement considering you are struggling to see Doc as a mid and want him to revert back to a defender

Perhaps you need to embrace that change

 

[bradfisher14]

B:	11. McGovern	23. Weitering	24. Newman
HB:	6. Williams	17. Kemp	42. Saad
C:	13. Acres	9. Cripps	15. Docherty
HF:	3. Motlop	10. McKay	20. E. Hollands
F:	21. Martin	30. Curnow	25. Fantasia
R:	12. De Koning	5. Cerra	18. Walsh
INT:	1. Silvagni	14. O. Hollands	22. Marchbank
	28. Cuningham	46. Cottrell
EMG:	8. Fogarty	27. Pittonet	29. Hewett
	37. Boyd

 

[marcmurphy3]

It isnt a long reach to put him back there. If you lined up 5 AFL coaches they could all have varying views on where to play him.

Docherty is an aging player and he has played 90% of his career game time in defence so it is an obvious link. He is better than Newman/Boyd back there.

Nothing wrong with a HBF 70% to 30% mid role for him as a consideration for next season. Depends on hollands really. If Hollands improves and owns it then the team only need a backup which could be any player (Doch/Cottrell/Hewett). Personally, i'd rather see Docherty pinch hit the midfield rather than wing while playing mostly HBF.

As for Docherty on the wing there was one thing i noticed in terms of differences between Docherty vs both Acres/Hollands. I only really saw Acres/Hollands (and Cottrell too) run hard enough to be in the defensive square and then again to be in the forward square. Docherty just doesn't have that capacity. It's one of the key requirement for the role so i'd give Hollands the first chance to own it.

As for last year and his role, well that is last years player's mix (we have new players in the mix now changing things). Pendlebury changes year-on-year based on what the Pies need. I think docherty's role can change to. Nothing to do with squeezing. More to do with re-evaluating player balance.

Not sure why some posters get stuck trying to stay the same when change is in their face.

I was actually surprised how reluctant we were to move Docherty back this year. I had assumed he would be straight there once Walsh was in given no Williams. It's too easy for teams to shutdown Saad when he is our only genuine running defender. Boyd and Cincotta don't get enough ball to be able to rely on them in that role.

Makes me feel it is even less likely he plays there with Williams back as he will be less required than he was this year. Though if Binns and/or Hollands have big preseasons they might be able to push him there.

 

[JustOneTime]

Perhaps you need to embrace that change

I'm not sure I struggle to embrace change when my 22 has Cripps on the bench and not a starting 18 player.

 

[Arr0w]

I'm not sure I struggle to embrace change when my 22 has Cripps on the bench and not a starting 18 player.

So still in the side

But, nothing to do with Doc and the apparent struggle posters have with change

 

[Juddernaut08]

Update until preseason

Boyd Weitering McGovern
Williams Kemp/Young/Marchbank/S Durdin Saad

Pitto Cerra Walsh
Acres Cripps Doc

E Hollands Curnow Martin
Motlop McKay Fantasia

INT: TDK Newman Cottrell Hewett O Hollands

EMG: Cowan Kennedy Owies Silvagni

Stiff Cincotta C Durdin Cuners Fog Binns

The bolded players will be the most interesting for me. I'd like to see S Durdin/Young come in to release Weitering. Mostly likely it will be Marchbank and Kemp fighting for that spot

Like this team. Only changes I'd make (based on preference):
-I think if Kemp doesn't make the starting back 6 he should be on the bench.
-INT: TDK, Newman, Kemp, Hollands + Kennedy (Sub)

 

[JuddgementDay]

Now that we have Orazio, let's try this difficult task again...


FB: Marchbank, Weitering, Boyd
HB: Williams, McGovern, Saad

C: Acres, Cripps, O Hollands
R: De Koning, Cerra, Walsh

HF: Martin, Curnow, E Hollands
FF: Fantasia, McKay, Motlop

Int: Newman (def), Hewett (inside), Docherty (mid/wing), Kemp (utility)
Sub: C Durdin

Now let's compare this team vs our prelim final team.

Ins: ZWilliams Kemp EHollands CDurdin Fantasia (pretty zippy players)

Out: Cincotta Pitto Fogarty Kennedy Cottrell

JSOS could be the utility instead of Kemp if Harry can't handle the part time ruck duties.
TDK needs to standup, but other than that and assuming natural development/ improvements the ins look a fair bit stronger than the outs & much zippier too

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

2024 Premiership Team:

Newman Weiters Kemp
Saad Gov Zilliams
Ollie Cerra Acres
Fanta Harry JMart
Durds Charles Motlop

TDK Crippa Walsh

Doch JSOS George Elijah

Cotters

 

[Coona Blues]

2024 Premiership Team:

Newman Weiters Kemp
Saad Gov Zilliams
Ollie Cerra Acres
Fanta Harry JMart
Durds Charles Motlop

TDK Crippa Walsh

Doch JSOS George Elijah

Cotters

We are on the same wave length.

I don’t like leaving out Marchbank, Kennedy and Pittonet and there will inevitably be injuries to offer opportunity. The beauty is there is plenty of other depth as well.

 

[TerryWallet]

Early November thoughts:

Boyd Weitering Marchbank
Newman McGovern Saad
Acres Cripps O.Hollands
Pittonet Cerra Walsh
E.Hollands McKay Cottrell
Motlop Curnow Martin

TDK Doc Williams Durdin
Hewett

Kemp Cowen Binns


Boyd and Marchbank were confidently selected for the Prelim and were in our top 4 performers. Confident they are the placeholders. Newman's year speaks for itself. Went to a new level. He's ageing beautifully like a rampe.

I like the 2 rucks to support our slowish but elite contested midfield.

I want our full contingent of elite runners. Walsh, Acres, Ollie and Cotts to let the others be more explosive with extra rests.

E.Hollands is imo our best chance for that powerful hitup/linkup goal and a bit HF. Martin to stay a touch deeper to assist Charles with a bit of TDK too. Harry to roam up and back.

Durds i want to be a bit versatile as a small fwd with some minutes around the ball too.

Zac and Doc the experienced utilities.

 

[JuddgementDay]

Early November thoughts:

Boyd Weitering Marchbank
Newman McGovern Saad
Acres Cripps O.Hollands
Pittonet Cerra Walsh
E.Hollands McKay Cottrell
Motlop Curnow Martin

TDK Doc Williams Durdin
Hewett

Kemp Cowen Binns


Boyd and Marchbank were confidently selected for the Prelim and were in our top 4 performers. Confident they are the placeholders. Newman's year speaks for itself. Went to a new level. He's ageing beautifully like a rampe.

I like the 2 rucks to support our slowish but elite contested midfield.

I want our full contingent of elite runners. Walsh, Acres, Ollie and Cotts to let the others be more explosive with extra rests.

E.Hollands is imo our best chance for that powerful hitup/linkup goal and a bit HF. Martin to stay a touch deeper to assist Charles with a bit of TDK too. Harry to roam up and back.

Durds i want to be a bit versatile as a small fwd with some minutes around the ball too.

Zac and Doc the experienced utilities.

No welcome mat for Orazio?

 

[TerryWallet]

No welcome mat for Orazio?

Not yet imo. Got a lot of impressing to do the next 6 months i would think. Great to have in the mix though for a DFA.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

We are on the same wave length.

I don’t like leaving out Marchbank, Kennedy and Pittonet and there will inevitably be injuries to offer opportunity. The beauty is there is plenty of other depth as well.

Those three are the emergencies.

JSOS gives us versatility up forward as the 3rd marking option, and also gives TDK a chopout in the ruck. Not sure we can have him, Pitto and TDK in the same side though.

Fanta and Martin are dangerous forwards and goalkickers. Durds is a walk up start when he's fit for mine - at the beginning of the year, I had him as our next most important forward behind Charlie, although the return of a fit Martin has made a huge impact.

I also like the idea of Gov spending time up forward if Marchy can stay fit and become that 3rd tall/interceptor in defence. We haven't really seen a forward half with Charles, H and Gov together - but would cause some serious headaches to opposition defence.

Flip of the coin between Kennedy and George, but I'm a huge George fan in the trenches - he's made for finals footy.

 

[gbatman]

B: Boyd Weitering McGovern
HB: Saad Marchbank Williams
C: Acres Cripps Hollands
HF: Martin McKay Hollands
F: Fantasia Curnow Motlop
OB: DeKoning Walsh Cerra
IC: Silvagni Hewett Docherty Newman
SUB: Cuningham/Cottrell/Owies

Rest of Squad: Kemp Kennedy Fogarty Carroll Durdin Cowan Pittonet Binns Young Durdin Durdin

I think it will be something like that.

It's starting to look really good. The one thing I would add to it if we have salary cap space and a bit of a war chest next season would be a dynamic match willing onballer. Burst speed, hurt factor, can kick a goal and win games. I think our forward line is good, if we move the ball well it kicks goals. I think our defence is really good. Defends well, looks to have run and smarts there. I'm actually not too stressed with Silvagni as a forward ruck, think he is underrated in the role. I think if you find a mid who is not just another accumulator but has real hurt factor to go where Hewett is positioned, someone who does it all well, two way run, tackling etc as well. Probably a bit of a missing piece here.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

Tough one this early

B: McGovern, Weitering, Newman
HB: Docherty, Kemp, Saad
C: Binns, Cripps, Acres
HF: E.Hollands, Curnow, Martin
F: Motlop, McKay, Owies
R: TDK, Cerra, Walsh
IC: Hewett, Pittonet, Cottrell, Boyd
Sub: Williams
E: Kennedy, Silvagni, Cowan, C.Durdin.

Could easily slot O.Hollands, Marchbank & Cincotta somewhere in there. Just depends on your preferences.

All I've listed as emergencies or unlucky, are capable of playing in this side.
If Binns has put on 5kg or so over preseason and they've done a little work on his kicking radar then he won't be far away.
I think people will be surprised how good E.Hollands will be providing he can keep his head down, work hard and focus on the task at hand. Has some genuine X-Factor, finds his own ball in the air, on the deck and in the contest.
Williams has missed almost 2 years of footy so I'd like to see a bit from him before I just slam in the best 23. Only makes sub as I feel a runner is best suited to this role.

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

Tough one this early

B: McGovern, Weitering, Newman
HB: Docherty, Kemp, Saad
C: Binns, Cripps, Acres
HF: E.Hollands, Curnow, Martin
F: Motlop, McKay, Owies
R: TDK, Cerra, Walsh
IC: Hewett, Pittonet, Cottrell, Boyd
Sub: Williams
E: Kennedy, Silvagni, Cowan, C.Durdin.

Could easily slot O.Hollands, Marchbank & Cincotta somewhere in there. Just depends on your preferences.

All I've listed as emergencies or unlucky, are capable of playing in this side.
If Binns has put on 5kg or so over preseason and they've done a little work on his kicking radar then he won't be far away.
I think people will be surprised how good E.Hollands will be providing he can keep his head down, work hard and focus on the task at hand. Has some genuine X-Factor, finds his own ball in the air, on the deck and in the contest.
Williams has missed almost 2 years of footy so I'd like to see a bit from him before I just slam in the best 23. Only makes sub as I feel a runner is best suited to this role.

Just on Zilliams, think he will be cherry ripe for round one. Trust that Jack Russ will have him a lean mean fighting machine.

Going to be a thrill to see Saady, Boydy and Zill lighting it up off half back. We really should have the most dynamic back seven in the league next season. Fun times ahead.

 

[Soapy V]

Interesting discussion around Docherty

He could easily be our best defender, forward or mid. He is a star. He also smart and a leader

With Saad Williams Boyd Cowan Cincotta Newman all available he isn't needed in defence
With Acres Hollands & Binns he isn't really needed on a wing

I also believe he is our best option as a HF that can play well on ball. He can kick goals and play significant mid minutes. He adds run

I see his role next year as a Mid/HF changing with E.Hollands. He can also have Wing minutes and go back if needed.

Wherever he is we are better off