Brownlow 2024 Brownlow Medal Count - Congrats Patrick Cripps!

[Drexl 31]

Most who support Carlton celebrate the champ, most who don't, say what a s... award it is. That's it in a nutshell.

 

[Blue1980]

Except your team has 2 Coleman medallists and about 7 x AA’s in it.

If Cripps was as dominant a player as 45 votes suggests, Carlton don’t finish 8th and get flogged in an EF.

He was a worthy winner, but 45 votes is a joke… everyone knows that.


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45 is excessive, but many of those AAs had injury interrupted years, they basically all did aside from Cripps.

 

[Blue1980]

The first Brownlow medal had 16 games, now we have 23 games a season, and they're talking about increasing it. Not too mention, the Brownlow medal doesn't take into account THE MOST IMPORTANT GAMES OF THE SEASON.

The Brownlow is a nice award and great accolade but does anyone genuinely think it always reflects the best player of a season?

Crippa was consensus seen as one of the top 3 or so players in the comp this season, whereas I don’t think Neale was last year or Wines in 2021. Let alone Priddis, Cooney, Libba, Couch, Woewodin etc going further back.

Going back to pre 2010 or so you had lower totals so felt like a bit more of a crap shoot of who’d win.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Except your team has 2 Coleman medallists and about 7 x AA’s in it.

If Cripps was as dominant a player as 45 votes suggests, Carlton don’t finish 8th and get flogged in an EF.

He was a worthy winner, but 45 votes is a joke… everyone knows that.


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But if it was Dusty polling 45 votes, you'd have a tent pole in your jodphurs huh?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Most who support Carlton celebrate the champ, most who don't, say what a s... award it is. That's it in a nutshell.

Not the vibe I'm getting

Right result, right margin, but ugly bloated tallies

Eg Libba snr in 1990 won with just 18 votes

Having 4 umps has made it worse, groupthink

 

[Lingsface]

How much was Newcombe and Rowell paying for top 10 finish?

 

[dumb]

45 votes is a reflection of no-one else standing up in carlton, playing against other teams that played better as a team. our ladder position this year and last kind of reflects that. curnow 17 votes last year, didn't play as well this year.

 

[frenchconnection]

We hate Patrick because we don't share the he opinion he was the best player this year, let alone the greatest player ever?

What a stupid comment to make just because it’s your opinion only - I had Patrick winning and let’s face it Daicos wasnt too far behind!

 

[peetoo]

How is this possible?

Karl sounds nothing like Jarman
Amon sounds nothing like Impey
One wears #10, one wears #4

Do they just look at a bloke and think "yeah I'm pretty sure I've seen him running around in a Port jumper, it must be player X"?

Maybe all the Geelong shaved head guy votes went to GAJ in the same way?

 

[Countryfooty1]

Ben Cousins 20 votes won it. I remember being in awe when Judd got 30.

Cripps had a ripper season & is a deserved Brownlow winner - however not a chance he deserved 40 ****ing 5 votes. Him getting 45 has not inspired the same awe in me as Judd getting 30.
Dusty 36 in 2017 was the GOAT season and Cripps would be the first to admit he was not 9 votes better

The best way to ensure players get close to the votes they deserve is have a panel appointed that gives every player a rating out of 10 for every game they played. One of the issues is that by rewarding so few each game it exaggerates the impact of star players that don't have other star midfielder's taking votes off them. Dusty in 2017 for me was the standout as he was able to do it in a dominant team with multiple other players playing well that had Dusty not been there would have been up there or deserved winners.

As many Carlton and neutral supporters have pointed out, Cripps was always going to poll well given he had a consistent year and was Carlton's best player by distance. Also says a lot about why Carlton and Collingwood weren't at the pointy end of the season as they can have 1 player pool that many votes and then nothing. Look at the 4 preliminary finalists, Sydney's main 3 midfielders all scoring mid 20s, Port Butters and JHF over 20 with a couple others high teens, Brisbane similar. Geelong had (I think it was 6 players) with more than 15 votes. These are spreads that would have coaches happier that either Voss or McCrae.

For all the criticisms of players getting votes for relatively ordinary games one thing that needs to be remembered is that every match has the same number of votes handed out to the same number of players regardless of the quality of that game. For example if you asked 20 people to give their 3, 2, 1 from both games over the weekend I can guarantee you you'd get a wider variety of names mentioned for the Geelong vs Brisbane which was an excellent spectacle to watch than Sydney vs Port which was relatively pedestrian in comparison. This would then mean that players who had very good games in the Geelong vs Brisbane don't get votes where a lesser performance in the Sydney vs Port game would have.

 

[Daka]

I would have no problem with the Coaches Votes being the new Brownlow.

Where they don't become public throughout the year & it's read out on Brownlow night the same style.
I think the coaches hold a lot more credibility than the umpires. that's just my thoughts on a new system.

It probably won't change anyway but it wasn't always 1,2-3 system with the umps. I feel like it's outdated now.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Cripps is a terrific player. Hopefully he gets more finals opportunities to further stake his claim as a great of the game, as finals are where it’s at.

Anyone who has watched the 2024 finals series knows Isaac Heeney

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Isaac Heeney

Age

28

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

7.7

5star

M

4.9

5star

T

4.1

5star

CL

2.2

4star

D

14.3

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

5.5

3star

M

4.8

4star

T

2.5

3star

CL

0.8

3star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.8

3star

is the best player of 2024. I don’t care if he didn’t win the coaches award or MVP or Brownlow or the Footy Show award … I’m watching finals and have been in awe of his performances in September, and he’s easily the best player of the 2024 season, H&A and Finals combined.

I’m happy to say Cripps or Bont or Daicos are up there in H&A performances, but OVERALL for the year Heeney is in a class of his own this season.



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[Feerits Elf]

What a stupid comment to make just because it’s your opinion only - I had Patrick winning and let’s face it Daicos wasnt too far behind!

What's objectively stupid about an opinion that Cripps wasn't the best player this year?

 

[Caesarr]

Almost everyone would agree that Crippa is a worthy winner. Champion of a player. The only two bogus games were against Freo and the bombers but there is no denying that he was remarkably consistent.

 

[SpiritOfCarlton]

I would have no problem with the Coaches Votes being the new Brownlow.

Where they don't become public throughout the year & it's read out on Brownlow night the same style.
I think the coaches hold a lot more credibility than the umpires. that's just my thoughts on a new system.

It probably won't change anyway but it wasn't always 1,2-3 system with the umps. I feel like it's outdated now.

Coaches are incredibly compromised towards the end of each season when it is basically public knowledge which handful of players are battling it out for the votes.

Even if it was kept confidential through the year, each coach would know.

If you are looking for a cohort of AFL people to be most susceptible to promoting their own player and not worrying about the integrity of an award you would pick the coaches.

The coaches award is meaningless when there are two players close towards the end of the year and one coach is keen to get their player over the line and the other coach is more concerned with other things.

 

[Kegs15]

I don’t think Cripps winning is seen as wrong, just the crazy 45 votes and general midfield centric voting which has reached new levels across the board.

Yeah agreed I think absolutely worthy winner, lots of games where he was genuinely the solo difference between a win and loss.

The 45 votes though is insane - certainly don't think it was an outright better season than Martin's 2017, or (and obviously an extra round this year but for argument's sake) a season that was 1 and a half times better than Ablett's 2009 (30 votes).