Brownlow 2024 Brownlow Medal Count - Congrats Patrick Cripps!

[Blightys Barrel]

Darcy Cameron had a ripper that night, not even 1 vote.

He had a great season in fact, not a single vote across the year.

Same for Xerri at Kangas (another AA squad member) he got 1 vote for the entire year, and yet finished 2nd in the club best and fairest.

 

[btdg]

I think if you watched Carlton games this year (instead of looking at out of context stats) it was pretty clear that Cripps had the perfect storm to poll votes. The storm includes the following:

1. Cripps was in perfect health and good form right across the year; meanwhile

2. His 'flashier' team-mates who might steal votes were all a bit off due to injury. Walsh missed 5 games and looked sluggish when playing. Cerra was basically out all year. TDK got injured and missed the last 8 games just as he was getting a bit of flashy buzz. Curnow was hampered by an injury that limited his movement. Docherty and Martin didn't play a full game between them. Even Saad and Acres had issues. So who was Cripps competing with for votes? The Carlton players who were fit, healthy and in good form for most of the year just aren't vote getters: Hewett, Kennedy, Weitering, Owies, Newman, and McKay (who just doesn't put it together for 4 quarters to get the votes imo).

3. Carlton changed how they used Cripps, and in particular copied Collingwood's recipe with Daicos. From what I saw, there was a conscious effort to rest Cripps (and TDK) for long patches in the 2nd and 3rd quarter, then put the best possible midfield combination together for an extended 8-10 minute burst either half-way through the 3rd (if losing) or the start of the 4th (if winning) and try and blow the game open. There were 8-10 games where this worked - and Cripps polled heavily in all of them, even in a couple of cases in games where he was otherwise not that great. This is a clear recipe for votes (as we've seen with Daicos).

4. Just when he was tiring and form sliding a little (and most winners struggle to sustain it for the full 23 games), Carlton had an all-time injury crisis (ie: 6 injureies in one match vs Hawthorn) and he flipped into 'Beast Mode' for the last 4 rounds to try and drag the team to finals. This isn't actually all that conducive to Carlton winning games against good teams, but in the last month or two his game time jumped from 75-80% to an average of 87% and his efforts were enough for a couple of BOGs against crap teams, and a couple of 1-voters in losses.

Then add in the following:

• Cripps is a genuinely respected, nice guy, who has been around long enough for the umpires to share that respect
• Cripps is quite noticeable: 196cm midfielder, who plays 'in and under' but tends to hang onto the ball long enough to be 'noticed' rather than firing out a quick handball;
• Cripps does some other 'odd' things that umpires would see: like taking ruck hitouts, being a marking target 1-1 on from kick-ins, etc.
• Cripps gets almost NONE of his disposals deep in defence. This is an observation as much as anything (and perhaps a criticism even?) but the umpires broadly seem to heavily underweight or almost ignore D50 disposals, including intercept possessions

Again, it's just the perfect storm. Decent team in solid form, but with Cripps the sole 'flashy' player, perfect fitness and health all year, game plan set to make him the 'hammer' and some intangibles that also help him get votes.

 

[Blue1980]

Yeah agreed I think absolutely worthy winner, lots of games where he was genuinely the solo difference between a win and loss.

The 45 votes though is insane - certainly don't think it was an outright better season than Martin's 2017, or (and obviously an extra round this year but for argument's sake) a season that was 1 and a half times better than Ablett's 2009 (30 votes).

As I said I don’t think it’s better than Koutas 2000 season and he polled less than half the votes of Cripps.

3-2-1 system has always even a flawed metric.

 

[T2B_]

I think if you watched Carlton games this year (instead of looking at out of context stats) it was pretty clear that Cripps had the perfect storm to poll votes. The storm includes the following:

1. Cripps was in perfect health and good form right across the year; meanwhile

2. His 'flashier' team-mates who might steal votes were all a bit off due to injury. Walsh missed 5 games and looked sluggish when playing. Cerra was basically out all year. TDK got injured and missed the last 8 games just as he was getting a bit of flashy buzz. Curnow was hampered by an injury that limited his movement. Docherty and Martin didn't play a full game between them. Even Saad and Acres had issues. So who was Cripps competing with for votes? The Carlton players who were fit, healthy and in good form for most of the year just aren't vote getters: Hewett, Kennedy, Weitering, Owies, Newman, and McKay (who just doesn't put it together for 4 quarters to get the votes imo).

3. Carlton changed how they used Cripps, and in particular copied Collingwood's recipe with Daicos. From what I saw, there was a conscious effort to rest Cripps (and TDK) for long patches in the 2nd and 3rd quarter, then put the best possible midfield combination together for an extended 8-10 minute burst either half-way through the 3rd (if losing) or the start of the 4th (if winning) and try and blow the game open. There were 8-10 games where this worked - and Cripps polled heavily in all of them, even in a couple of cases in games where he was otherwise not that great. This is a clear recipe for votes (as we've seen with Daicos).

4. Just when he was tiring and form sliding a little (and most winners struggle to sustain it for the full 23 games), Carlton had an all-time injury crisis (ie: 6 injureies in one match vs Hawthorn) and he flipped into 'Beast Mode' for the last 4 rounds to try and drag the team to finals. This isn't actually all that conducive to Carlton winning games against good teams, but in the last month or two his game time jumped from 75-80% to an average of 87% and his efforts were enough for a couple of BOGs against crap teams, and a couple of 1-voters in losses.

Then add in the following:

• Cripps is a genuinely respected, nice guy, who has been around long enough for the umpires to share that respect
• Cripps is quite noticeable: 196cm midfielder, who plays 'in and under' but tends to hang onto the ball long enough to be 'noticed' rather than firing out a quick handball;
• Cripps does some other 'odd' things that umpires would see: like taking ruck hitouts, being a marking target 1-1 on from kick-ins, etc.
• Cripps gets almost NONE of his disposals deep in defence. This is an observation as much as anything (and perhaps a criticism even?) but the umpires broadly seem to heavily underweight or almost ignore D50 disposals, including intercept possessions

Again, it's just the perfect storm. Decent team in solid form, but with Cripps the sole 'flashy' player, perfect fitness and health all year, game plan set to make him the 'hammer' and some intangibles that also help him get votes.

Great post

 

[Xtreme]

That is nuts. So a Brownlow winner is not at the same level as Ryan Schoenmakers?

Correct you play footyball to win premierships.

This is also why Jonathan Brown will always be better than the likes of Riewoldt, JUH etc etc.

 

[Blue1980]

The coaches might know more than the public but even so, the coaches votes seem a lot more accurate to when looking at a game than looking at their votes of players.

The way it is now you're seeing player get subbed off with 15 disposals getting votes... it's hurting the credibility of the award; maybe they don't use the coaches votes as the system, but it does need a change. that is clear to everyone.

You’d get people complaining coaches rigging it nothing surer.

Same as if it was a panel of experts, AI etc.

 

[Blue1980]

He may win another too, not like any help is coming.

Walshy polls well, got 30 back in 2021. If he has his back right he will take votes off Crippa.

 

[The King!]

Walshy polls well, got 30 back in 2021. If he has his back right he will take votes off Crippa.

True, just need to tidy up the fringes of the midfield I think for the team to go further and be less reliant on the skipper.

Injury luck would help too

 

[Blue1980]

Martin polled in 14 games of 22 in 2017. Cripps in 17 games of 23 in 2024. Here is the averages of the games they polled votes in:

Martin v Cripps:

Disposals: 34.2 v 30.6
Goals: 1.5 v 0.8
GA: 1.3 v 0.6
GL + GA: 2.8 v 1.4
SI: 9.8 v 8.1
Clearances: 7.8 v 8.9
CP: 15.4 v 16.6
CM: 1.1 v 0.3
Frees For: 1.6 v 2.4

So more of the ball and double scoreboard impact. So not close really for games in which they polled.

And for games in which they didn’t poll:

Martin v Cripps:

Disposals: 23.5 v 23.5
Goals: 1.4 v 0.3
GA: 0.38 v 0.17
GL + GA: 1.78 v 0.47
SI: 6.8 v 4.0
Clearances: 4.4 v 6.0
CP: 12.2 v 12.8
CM: 1.0 v 0.13
Frees For: 1.0 v 1.2

So much better in games they didn’t poll in as well with more than triple the scoreboard impact and same amount of ball.



Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

wtf you shoehorning Martin into every bloody post? He had a great year, he at least won a Brownlow in said great year, many others before him haven’t.

 

[Blue1980]

True, just need to tidy up the fringes of the midfield I think for the team to go further and be less reliant on the skipper.

Injury luck would help too

Cerra needs to get his body right too. Having a hampered Walsh and Cerra not there really hurt us the longer the season went. We were spreading the load around well back half of 2023.

TDK on his current trajectory would make a massive difference too.

 

[The King!]

Cerra needs to get his body right too. Having a hampered Walsh and Cerra not there really hurt us the longer the season went. We were spreading the load around well back half of 2023.

TDK on his current trajectory would make a massive difference too.

When do you get the Campo boys?

 

[Dubai Quacker]

The Brownlow voting has become a cult of celebrity.

And the umps are starstruck.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

When do you get the Campo boys?

This draft, Ben looks a Cripps/Pendles/JPK type (but a bit raw)

 

[Blue1980]

When do you get the Campo boys?

In the up coming draft

 

[Malifice]

I'm confused why Bontempelli didn't get more votes.

Plays too much up forward. Treloar got more votes than Bont, and literally no-one is going to claim Treloar had a better year than Bont.

Take Treloar out, and Bont gets 20 more votes and wins.

 

[My Tilly]

Correct you play footyball to win premierships.

This is also why Jonathan Brown will always be better than the likes of Riewoldt, JUH etc etc.

May as well lump Harley Reid in with those players while you're at it

 

[The King!]

This draft, Ben looks a Cripps/Pendles/JPK type (but a bit raw)

In the up coming draft

Nice

 

[Thrawn]

I see that people pointed out the Melbourne game.

While Trac was arguably BOG, Cripps basically set up the win and had the match-saving tackle, which people conveniently forget to mention. And since that happened in the dying seconds on top of a very good game, of course the umpires will have that fresh in their minds. The tackle was the difference between 3 votes and 2 votes.

 

[Thrawn]

Correct you play footyball to win premierships.

This is also why Jonathan Brown will always be better than the likes of Riewoldt, JUH etc etc.

He was not better than Riewoldt, Pavlich or Tredrea.

 

[PP34]

Heeney was better than both and he only got in the 20's.

It’s not some new phenomenom that the best player of the season doesn’t always win the Brownlow

 

[Lingsface]

The last 6 Brownlow medals have been won by players who have never won a premiership.

 

[RCAB]

I would have no problem with the Coaches Votes being the new Brownlow.

I don't know how often this needs to be said but we already have a coaches award. Daicos won it this year.

 

[Lingsface]

It seemed as though the Louis richards medal was pretty spot on.
Both Daicos and Cripps well in front but not much between them.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

It seemed as though the Louis richards medal was pretty spot on.
Both Daicos and Cripps well in front but not much between them.

Coaches, Players MVP, Brownlow and Lou Richards medal all had Cripps and Daics top 3 if I'm not mistaken

 

[RCAB]

Defenders dont get brownlow votes. No defender has ever won the Brownlow and none ever will.

Just one player off the top of my head. Col Austen at Hawthorn was a defender who won a Brownlow in 1949.

I'm guessing there are others.