List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

[Daka]

I love reading other clubs draft threads some of the stuff they say makes me laugh so hard, almost fell out of my chair!

 

[Mr Magic]

It will be 2 future 1st for 6/13/18 or 20 let’s see

North are just showing how desperate they are.

creative on the narrative but simply do not have the 2024 picks

Am I over thinking this? If North use pick 2 by selecting a player(even if not Tauru) in the 2024 draft, it is a disaster for them and not what they intended?

 

[Tortured Tiger]

Sadly Melbourne paid less for Essendon pick 9.

Give it a rest mate, you are just making a goose of yourself now.

 

[roos 10]

Tigers give 6/10/11/18
Get 2/north’s future 1st /15/16
North get 6/13/18
Port get 10 give 13/29
Gws get 11/29
Give 15/16/

Just my thoughts

 

[richoatthedisco]

Who is he like do you think?

He's a bit different to anyone. Maybe Amartey but better ground game?

 

[Mr Magic]

Tigers give 6/10/11/18
Get 2/north’s future 1st /15/16
North get 6/13/18
Port get 10 give 13/29
Gws get 11/29
Give 15/16/

Just my thoughts

North, if you reflect what North desire, are hell bent on getting pick 6 from us.

North also seem to desire a pick from us around 10-13 to for whatever player. It is nice to have a christmas list and North want a lot of other clubs to fall over backwards because they do not have a lot of picks, especially in 2024 to enable things to happen particularly as they prefer to see it fit for them

 

[Infamy]

Really like your analysis here.

Some questions...

If Murphy Reid is still on the board would you take Lindsay ahead of him?

Not a Travaglia fan?

Why Shanahan over Armstrong?

Overall, there was a bit of list management in my selections along with who I liked the look of, so a few I didn't mention purely as I didn't think they were the type we needed to focus on.

I had a lot of difficulty getting an opinion on Reid, he had some nice moments, seems to be clean by foot when in space, but so many of his disposals were messy handballs that sometimes paid off, but often didn't. Lots of little over the head or just hacking out of packs in the general direction of a teammate, but often had too much height on them and wasn't to their advantage. A lot of how I rate a junior comes down to composure at the lower level. If they often look rushed, then it's not going to get any better at a higher level with a faster pace, so I will mark a player down on that and that's something I couldn't stop thinking about with him. I trust our recruiters though, so he's one I assumed could be one that slipped if Lindsay, Smith, Shanahan & Armstrong are all gone. Interesting to see that some have him going all the way in the 20s though, and from what I saw, I can kinda see why some think that way.

Travaglia was one who I really like the look of on the footage I saw, but based on the news of who wants to get him around 10-15, I didn't consider him to be someone we needed over pure midfielders and a tall forward. I could see him being a Vlastuin type replacement, but overall I think with Gibcus, Balta, Miller, Young, Blight, Trezise, Bauer, etc, I think we're overstocked for defenders, so we don't really need to focus on taking one that early. I also think his type are much easier to find in future drafts as well and don't take too long to develop. Would rather get a defender with one of our later picks.

Shanahan over Armstrong was a line ball call, I must admit, Armstrong seems to have the ball shoot off his foot like a rocket at times which I did like. I don't really have a huge preference, but if I was to pick anything, it was I felt if we were going to get another tall forward like J Whitlock, then the fact that Shanahan was reported to have a good tank (along with an equal sprint time and better 3km time) meant I had more confidence in his work rate ability to transfer to AFL and could be a better fit with a taller lead & mark type deeper forward like Whitlock. Armstrong has better agility though, so it was a bit back and forth, I'd be happy to grab whoever was there at the pick. I don't think it will be up to us and I wouldn't reach for either one of them with 6.

 

[THE_GUN]

Tigers give 6/10/11/18
Get 2/north’s future 1st /15/16
North get 6/13/18
Port get 10 give 13/29
Gws get 11/29
Give 15/16/

Just my thoughts

So lets get this right

Tigers out : #6 , #10 , #11 , #18
Tigers in : #2 , #15 ,#16 + Norths F1

I Could live with that

#6 + #11 for #2 + F1
#10 +#18 for #15 + #16

 

[4tune8]

He's a bit different to anyone. Maybe Amartey but better ground game?

Chalk and Cheese, Amartey is a poor man's 2nd tall forward, can't ruck. Gerreyn is taller, much stronger, bigger, is dual sided, has a bit of mongrel, can act as a 2nd midfielder and is a better mark, he's a leader. Watch his kicking, he's able to dob a goal from 60m.

I know Tex Walker is a knob of the highest order, but skill wise, he's the closest that I can see that would be an example of what Gerreyn could be. He's a good 7cm taller than Tex, similar kicking and marking skills, but much more agile and quicker and a better ruck option

 

[TigerRoar2012]

1. Sam Lalor (Richmond)​

GWV Rebels/Vic Country
Midfielder/forward, 188cm, 30/8/2006
Talent League stats (avg): 23 disposals, 6.3 clearances, 6 inside 50s
The Age’s August top 30: 5 October top 30: 1
Agility test: N/A 20m sprint: N/A 2km time trial: N/A
There is only one Dustin Martin, but the Tigers could anoint a teenager with many of the same characteristics as the triple Norm Smith medallist with this year’s No.1 pick. Recruiting sources believe Richmond are deciding between Lalor and Finn O’Sullivan, with Jagga Smith another possibility. Lalor, who was also a talented cricketer before focusing on football, was unable to put his best foot forward in 2024 because of a series of injuries, but the consensus is he will thrive, and improve his running, once he is in an AFL system. He is powerful, skilful, tough, equally impactful as a midfielder and forward, and overflowing with tantalising upside.

7. Josh Smillie (Richmond)​

Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
Midfielder, 195cm, 17/5/2006
Talent League stats (avg): 25.5 disposals, 11.3 contested possessions, 4.8 clearances
The Age’s August top 30: 4 October top 30: 8
Agility test: 8.391 secs 20m sprint: 3.09 secs 2km time trial: 6:38 mins
Smillie was once a pick one contender, but an up-and-down season left him a polarising prospect. His physical traits and playing style as a midfielder provoke comparisons to Carlton’s dual Brownlow medallist Patrick Cripps. Smillie’s admirers rave about his stoppage work and how he can hang tough in a tackle before finding a teammate by hand, while he has also proven he can step up in crunch moments. Tigers list manager Blair Hartley and performance boss Tim Livingstone both have links to Smillie’s junior club Park Orchards. Whether that connection is being overblown will soon be known. Richmond could take a key forward here instead.

13. Tobie Travaglia (Richmond)​

Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country
Defender/midfielder, 187cm, 26/10/2006
Talent League stats (avg): 23.6 disposals, 11.6 contested possessions, 6.4 tackles
The Age’s August top 30: 13 October top 30: 12
Agility test: 8.261 secs 20m sprint: 3.19 secs 2km time trial: 6:13 mins
This might be too low for a player who is universally loved by recruiters and improved in leaps and bounds this year. Melbourne could even take him at the previous pick. There are talent scouts who rate Travaglia inside the top 10, but he is typically considered to be narrowly outside that company. Only Sydney academy prospect Joel Cochran ran a quicker 2km time trial at the combine. That endurance makes him an early candidate to fill a wing or play off half-back, but there is confidence he could develop into an inside midfielder. Travaglia is highly competitive, hates being beaten, dependable and one of the safer picks in the first round.

14. Jobe Shanahan (Richmond)​

Bendigo Pioneers/Allies
Tall forward, 195cm, 2/8/2006
Talent League stats (avg): 12.9 disposals, 8.5 contested possessions, 2.1 goals
The Age’s August top 30: 21 October top 30: 17
Agility test: 8.77 secs 20m sprint: 3.1 secs 2km time trial: 6:39 mins

Shanahan just kept getting it done this year, from the Talent League to the under-18 championships then in the VFL for Essendon, where he kicked 11 goals in three appearances. He is an endurance athlete, an excellent field and set-shot kick, constantly presents in the right areas (including being a smart judge of aerial balls) and makes good decisions. Many recruiters believe there is little between Shanahan and Harry Armstrong, and the former has the added appeal of proving he can play at the other end of the ground.

21. Luke Trainor (Richmond)​

Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
Tall defender, 194cm, 10/4/2006
Talent League stats (avg): 19.8 disposals, 2.4 intercept marks, 6 intercept possessions
The Age’s August top 30: 7 October top 30: 14
Agility test: N/A 20m sprint: N/A 2km time trial: N/A
Trainor was once considered a potential top-five pick after a fast start to the season, but fellow intercept defender Alix Tauru went up, whereas he has tumbled, including not being invited to the first night of the draft. Recruiters would have liked to see him play on an opponent more and believe he can be shaky deep in defence, while there are also concerns about his concussions. But it is easy to forget all the positives Trainor would bring to an AFL team, from his strong hands to his aggressive kicking out of defence and ability to play at both ends.

24. Jasper Alger (Richmond)​

Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Country
Forward, 183cm, 17/12/2006
Talent League stats (avg): 10.8 disposals, 2.7 tackles, 1.3 goals
The Age’s August top 30: N/A October top 30: N/A
Agility test: 8.141 secs 20m sprint: 2.931 secs 2km time trial: 6:28 mins
The newest draft bolter, and could even sneak inside the top 20. The Giants, Tigers and maybe even the Dogs could fight it out for him. Alger tested very well at the national combine and is a good athlete who performs well aerially for his height and in one-on-one situations. The zippy small forward from Warragul makes quick and smart decisions under pressure, presents well and with a purpose on the lead, and is typically a sound set shot. Alger has played various roles, but his future looks to be in attack.

27. Alex Dodson (Richmond)​

Sturt/South Australia
Ruckman, 201cm, 15/6/2006
SANFL U18 stats (avg): 20.8 disposals, 12 contested possessions, 7.4 hit-outs-to-advantage
The Age’s August top 30: 20 October top 30: 24
Agility test: 9.08 secs 20m sprint: 3.25 secs 2km time trial: 7:06 mins
The first ruckman drafted is certain to be Dodson, a basketball convert who represented Australia at underage level and could have accepted a development spot with NBL club Adelaide 36ers. Now fully invested in becoming an AFL footballer, the teenager has great upside and plays like an extra midfielder once the ball hits the ground, but recruiters would like to see his marking develop. Most recruiters expect the Tigers to take the plunge on Dodson.

28. Cooper Hynes (Richmond)​

Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Metro
Midfielder/forward, 190cm, 28/2/2006
Talent League stats (avg): 23.7 disposals, 4.7 clearances, 1.5 goals
The Age’s August top 30: N/A October top 30: 27
Agility test: N/A 20m sprint: N/A 2km time trial: N/A

This might be far too low for Hynes, who could go as high as Melbourne’s second pick, with West Coast and Port Adelaide among his admirers. The common retort about the powerful Stingrays product is that he has the widest draft range of any player. Formed a great one-two punch with Harvey Langford, and they often switched between the forward line and midfield. There are some lofty AFL comparisons for him, from Cam Zurhaar to even Clayton Oliver. Hynes’ endurance needs to improve, but his forward and clearance craft are rated highly.

Not a bad haul but I’d be pissed if Draper was on the board at 6 and we didn’t take him. He’s my top prospect in the draft.

 

[docko911]

Tigers give 6/10/11/18
Get 2/north’s future 1st /15/16
North get 6/13/18
Port get 10 give 13/29
Gws get 11/29
Give 15/16/

Just my thoughts

That is pretty close to fair across the board. The only reason I wouldn’t consider it is if we want the players now and we think the player we can get at 6 is nearly as good as 2, and the players we get at 10 and 11 are better than 15 and 16.

My opinion on this draft is that I would prefer the picks we have with the only exception that I rate FOS as much as Lalor. I’d rather trade 6 and 18.

 

[Tonythetiger]

So lets get this right

Tigers out : #6 , #10 , #11 , #18
Tigers in : #2 , #15 ,#16 + Norths F1

I Could live with that

#6 + #11 for #2 + F1
#10 +#18 for #15 + #16

Hate it, feel like the draft is touted as being so even you would rather 10 so you definitely get who you want in the second tier and then be content with who is there at 18. If all the good talls are gone by pick 14 and we have only 1 and 2 and have got mids we are going to have egg on our face.

Our hand is honestly so strong we should just take it to the draft unless we get massive overs.

 

[tigs2010]

Sadly Melbourne paid less for Essendon pick 9.

Wot?

 

[THE_GUN]

Hate it, feel like the draft is touted as being so even you would rather 10 so you definitely get who you want in the second tier and then be content with who is there at 18. If all the good talls are gone by pick 14 and we have only 1 and 2 and have got mids we are going to have egg on our face.

Our hand is honestly so strong we should just take it to the draft unless we get massive overs.

I dont hate it , But i could live with it
But if the #18 was #20 - I would Love it

#1 & #2 is better than #1 + #6
#10 for F1 is overs but compensates for the upgrade of #6 to #2
#11 + #20 would be a great result for #15 + #16 and we could still get Hotton & Shannahan

4 picks for 4 picks
#1 , #2 , #15 , #16 , #18 , #23 , #24

Take the first 5 picks in the draft
Trade #23 + #24 into Bombers & St Kilda F1's

5 1st rounders in 2024
4 1st rounders in 2025 ( Richmond , North , St Kilda , Essendon) plus Richmond 2nd rounder

 

[Groupie_]

Tigers give 6/10/11/18
Get 2/north’s future 1st /15/16
North get 6/13/18
Port get 10 give 13/29
Gws get 11/29
Give 15/16/

Just my thoughts

 

[Azzleberry]

I’ve watched a few that I like early on. That’s all I need to know. Like I also said Richmond will know what’s best mate. I’m not a fan of 8 kids coming out of contract at once. I’m not a fan of all these kids coming in and only half getting game time and some wanting to leave. But I don’t control Richmond you need to not get so wound up. Blair will do what he thinks is best and if that means trade up then that’s what he will do.

This literally makes no sense.

1- you don't need to wait until a player reaches the end of their contract to extend them. Taking 8, I would dare say 1-2 will be extended after first year, a few others in their second year and the remaining 3rd year. Each season we have 8-10 of our list coming out of contract.

2- we aren't taking 8 back pockets. If we took that many picks, then 3 of them will be talls and wouldn't be expecting them to play many games in year one. Say we take 3 talls and 5 mids- those mids start at HB, HF, Wing etc.

Either way it's clear the club has no intention of taking 8 kids- they will trade 1-2 picks into 2025 draft and likely 1 might be lost to either move up or split to pick up mature ages.

 

[M0557]

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NEIN!

 

[Funky Chicken]

Just my thoughts

No one asked.

 

[Tonythetiger]

Either way it's clear the club has no intention of taking 8 kids- they will trade 1-2 picks into 2025 draft and likely 1 might be lost to either move up or split to pick up mature ages.

There isn't an abundance of first rounders available next year with GC holding their, Pies and Port which are expected for academies. Eagles have Hawks pick for the Warner offer and need their own for it too .

Hawks have Blues first which is might be gettable for one of our later picks. North, Saints and Bombers look like the only clubs who will have picks early enough next year to make it worth while. Everyone else with a first is probably going to finish in the top 8, which will still have value but we might like who's still on the board at 23/24.

 

[Karp3_dm]

Tigers give 6/10/11/18
Get 2/north’s future 1st /15/16
North get 6/13/18
Port get 10 give 13/29
Gws get 11/29
Give 15/16/

Just my thoughts

So lets get this right

Tigers out : #6 , #10 , #11 , #18
Tigers in : #2 , #15 ,#16 + Norths F1

I Could live with that

#6 + #11 for #2 + F1
#10 +#18 for #15 + #16

I dont hate it , But i could live with it
But if the #18 was #20 - I would Love it

#1 & #2 is better than #1 + #6
#10 for F1 is overs but compensates for the upgrade of #6 to #2
#11 + #20 would be a great result for #15 + #16 and we could still get Hotton & Shannahan

4 picks for 4 picks
#1 , #2 , #15 , #16 , #18 , #23 , #24

Take the first 5 picks in the draft
Trade #23 + #24 into Bombers & St Kilda F1's

5 1st rounders in 2024
4 1st rounders in 2025 ( Richmond , North , St Kilda , Essendon) plus Richmond 2nd rounder

You campaigners are off ya ****

 

[wormy]

Tigers give 6/10/11/18
Get 2/north’s future 1st /15/16
North get 6/13/18
Port get 10 give 13/29
Gws get 11/29
Give 15/16/

Just my thoughts

Honestly that seems like a bad deal for every team you mentioned apart from North Melbourne.

I don't think Port or GWS would do that, let alone Richmond

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[tigersnag]

Tigers give 6/10/11/18
Get 2/north’s future 1st /15/16
North get 6/13/18
Port get 10 give 13/29
Gws get 11/29
Give 15/16/

Just my thoughts

Awful, give up

 

[prodigy]

Tigers give 6/10/11/18
Get 2/north’s future 1st /15/16
North get 6/13/18
Port get 10 give 13/29
Gws get 11/29
Give 15/16/

Just my thoughts

Why are North getting so much in this scenario?
Your club devalued the F1 by putting it up for trade for pick 13.
Smells like a fire sale to me.

 

[wormy]

Anyone know when Twomey is going to do a phantom draft ?

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[Dan]

North Melbourne won't be trading its F1st.

Please stop asking.

Thank you.