List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

[Charlie Pannam]

Nothing surer than RFC taking Smith at 1.

Is the surest bet and closest thing you will get to a Daicos or Sheezal type in this draft.

Every other mid in this draft has a deficiency which could stop them from reaching the so called ceiling every man and his dog keeps blabbing about.

Bookmark it.

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Do you take wagers?

 

[tiger_tough]

It's been a rough day for Team FOS

 

[Chunky09]

Nothing surer than RFC taking Smith at 1.

Is the surest bet and closest thing you will get to a Daicos or Sheezal type in this draft.

Every other mid in this draft has a deficiency which could stop them from reaching the so called ceiling every man and his dog keeps blabbing about.

Bookmark it.

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[Coach_Required]

Pick 2 for 10 & 18 confirmed.

North will come squealing to get it done.

 

[tiger_tough]

Hicksyyyyy

 

[KrispyKreme]

I’m gonna call it if Richmond pick Lalor and they don’t get Finn. I can see Lalor going to the pies one day. Just a hunch call me crazy but you get Finn and you basically have Lalor and Finn for life.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

I’m gonna call it if Richmond pick Lalor and they don’t get Finn. I can see Lalor going to the pies one day. Just a hunch call me crazy but you get Finn and you basically have Lalor and Finn for life.

 

[Bird Man]

Was bored and stumbled on a list of the biggest Draft hauls in history (points total descending) how we fare in the scheme of things we'll only truly know in 15 years time. A part from 2021 our draft hauls have been pretty lousy since the Deledio draft. I'm bloody nervous and swear the waits never been this long before. Not having a bona fide pick 1 is a worry, Smillie was regarded so highly now looking like he'll be available at pick 6, Jagga the next anointed never really appealed to me. He seems more a Bummers mid, one who gets 35+ possies but doesn't hurt the opposition. So many games Parish, Merrett Heppel had 40+ against us whilst Dustys 25 and 3 goals cut them to ribbons.

Toce dying is an absolute tragedy and the timing couldn't be worse. Head recruiters are hard to find and replace, and Blair & FJ might’ve stepped up but there's only so many hours in a day. Especially Blair with several weeks of endless to and fro with the clubs for Rioli, Baker, Bolton he hardly could smash in and cover what would've beenToce's busiest period. 8 top 24 picks is a lot of research, study and interviews compared to say 2020 when we only took Samson at pick 40 and Rioli at 51. Considering we were committed to Rioli he basically only had 1 late selection. Here's hoping there's no stupid left field picks that Clarke was famous for.

If we do end up taking the 8 picks surely we land an A+ future immortal, 2 A graders, 2 B graders and at worst can trade one or 2 of the others out for future picks if they don't kick on. Add that to another Pick 1 in 2025, Top 1- 3 Pick in 2026 added to a justified priority pick (2 -4 ish) and all the FA we land in 2027 and we should bounce back by tasting finals in 2028, before the dynasty kicks in 2029 onwards. 2 more years of complete misery will be offset by watching the kids improve and before we know it have played 60+ games together.


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It's a little depressing none of those draft hands transformed the team for the better... maybe 1 A grader in each draft hand your blessed if you get two.

 

[RobsJourney]

Got to admit- it wasn’t until the thought of trading up to pick 2 got taken away that I realised how badly I really wanted to do it.

Reckon we’ve missed a trick by not pairing Lalor & O’Sullivan

How did it get taken away?

 

[Coach_Required]

I’m gonna call it if Richmond pick Lalor and they don’t get Finn. I can see Lalor going to the pies one day. Just a hunch call me crazy but you get Finn and you basically have Lalor and Finn for life.

That's ok North dude saying we are getting Smith anyway.

 

[Coach_Required]

It's a little depressing none of those draft hands transformed the team for the better... maybe 1 A grader in each draft hand your blessed if you get two.

There is a lot of decent names in that list, a lot got drafted to GWS and Gold Coast and didn't stay.
Good news for us is we won't have that problem as those players will already be playing at a large club in Victoria.

Out of 8 picks if we can get 3 long term players that's 2 more than most teams get with 4/5 picks. This is about long term rebuild not 12 months.

 

[Jim Irwins Heart]

There is a lot of decent names in that list, a lot got drafted to GWS and Gold Coast and didn't stay.
Good news for us is we won't have that problem as those players will already be playing at a large club in Victoria.

Out of 8 picks if we can get 3 long term players that's 2 more than most teams get with 4/5 picks. This is about long term rebuild not 12 months.

Daniel Gorringe taken ahead of Tom Lynch will always crack me up. Almost as bad as Curnow and McKay slipping to 10 and 12 when Schache and Weideman were drafted ahead of them.

 

[Kyusss]

11,18,f2 for 2,f1




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[djspank]

Anyone else doing nervous poos in the lead up to the draft too?

 

[KrispyKreme]

That's ok North dude saying we are getting Smith anyway.

Strange they say that when on there board they want smith lol

 

[Coach_Required]

Daniel Gorringe taken ahead of Tom Lynch will always crack me up. Almost as bad as Curnow and McKay slipping to 10 and 12 when Schache and Weideman were drafted ahead of them.

True but having multiple picks in that same draft they still managed to recruit Caddy, Prestia and Lynch.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

They say that but why dont we see Reid , Smillie , Langford , Tauru ever mentioned at pick #1 ?
I personally think its Lalor / Fos that are 1 & 2 with Jagga a very very close 3rd

Lalor & Fos had everything go bad for them in 2024 and are still at the pointy end whilst Smith,Langford,Draper had a year where everything went as they wanted

Lalor & Fos have the biggest upside and with 8 picks i want Richmond to take the players that have the potential to become our Next Dusty/Trent not the next Hopper/Lambert as we can get them later

Lalor - FOS - Sharp should be the core 3 mids we aim for

They look the most ready. Smillie or Langford could easily be better players, but come with more risk.


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[richoplzbreed]

It's a little depressing none of those draft hands transformed the team for the better... maybe 1 A grader in each draft hand your blessed if you get two.

Yeah but this years draft is different. By all accounts this is the best draft ever that goes deep to top 40 with an even spread. It actually seems custom made for us. We obviously get our man at 1 (whether they turn out a superstar or a jet time will tell) pick 6 we get another gun mid (possibly even Smillie or Jagga who some still consider the best, or at least did recently) by 10, 11 we might get lucky and land Armstrong.... if he's gone can always get best available. By pick 18 there's bound to be Whitlocks, Shanahan etc and can replenish our KPF stocks. Then it gets interesting.

If the club has nailed the players we wanted we can either keep loading up on more guns in whatever positions the hierarchy deems we need coverage in or start taking bids on pick. I read an article that had 8 senior coaches under the pump this year to deliver. Each team has different needs and rates players differently. If after pick 18 we've landed who we wanted we can start entertaining reaming desperate clubs bleeding their 2025 picks. If clubs still believe a kid they rated a top 10 pick in a super draft is still available at 20, they'll pay an exorbitant price to land him. I'm easy either way: will be rapt to snag 8 "guns" in a bumper crop. Or will happily see any of our later picks go if it means we potentially get 2025 F1 (5 -10 range) + F2 (23 - 28) and a 2024 pick around 55 + ( after bids on GC, Brisbane, Essendon will wipe out a dozen picks) to land Davudson.

We basically can't go wrong. Just need to heavily invest in development and endure the lean years.

 

[RichoLedio]

They say that but why dont we see Reid , Smillie , Langford , Tauru ever mentioned at pick #1 ?
I personally think its Lalor / Fos that are 1 & 2 with Jagga a very very close 3rd

Lalor & Fos had everything go bad for them in 2024 and are still at the pointy end whilst Smith,Langford,Draper had a year where everything went as they wanted

Lalor & Fos have the biggest upside and with 8 picks i want Richmond to take the players that have the potential to become our Next Dusty/Trent not the next Hopper/Lambert as we can get them later

Lalor - FOS - Sharp should be the core 3 mids we aim for

Doing my boy dirty here, with all he's worked through this year he should go pick zero

 

[_RT_]

Very happy to wake up to the news that we're likely to stay with our current picks, which is what I've wanted all along. As Blair said at the end of trades the draft is deep and even. That means we will get quality right through the 1st round and can address the needs that we have

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Rankings from the H/Sun

BATTEN AND CAVANAGH'S PERSONAL RANKS​

Here's where Chris Cavanagh and Dan Batten personally ranked their top 30s.

Player	Consensus rank	Cavanagh	Batten
Levi Ashcroft	1	1	1
Finn O'Sullivan	2	2	4
Jagga Smith	3	4	2
Sam Lalor	4	3	6
Sid Draper	5	6	3
Harvey Langford	6	5	5
Josh Smillie	7	7	8
Murphy Reid	8	9	7
Harry Armstrong	9	8	12
Tobie Travaglia	10	10	11
Alix Tauru	11	11	10
Leo Lombard	12	12	9
Isaac Kako	13	13	13
Bo Allan	14	14	15
Taj Hotton	15	16	14
Luke Trainor	16	15	17
Jobe Shanahan	17	17	16
Xavier Lindsay	18	18	18
Joe Berry	19	19	20
Sam Marshall	20	20	21
Jack Whitlock	21	22	19
Cooper Hynes	22	23	22
Alex Dodson	23	21	26
Matt Whitlock	24	24	24
Jesse Dattoli	25	25	25
Jonty Faull	26	27	23
Tom Gross	27	28	29
Ollie Hannaford	28	26	-
Christian Moraes	29	30	27
Harrison Oliver	30	29	30

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[Azzleberry]

What’s your thoughts on the situation Bob? With pick 6 seemingly not going to be involved according to McGowans report in The Age, I just can’t see us getting pick 2.

Not phased at all about that, but Rawlings must be having many regrets about how he’s set them up for this draft. We may relent if Rawlings offers something extraordinary but can’t see it happening at the moment as we clearly want to keep pick 6.

It continues to amaze me that ex players get all these club roles and that they don't go and find experts in fields with transferable skills

 

[tigs2010]

Rankings from the H/Sun

BATTEN AND CAVANAGH'S PERSONAL RANKS​

Here's where Chris Cavanagh and Dan Batten personally ranked their top 30s.

Player	Consensus rank	Cavanagh	Batten
Levi Ashcroft	1	1	1
Finn O'Sullivan	2	2	4
Jagga Smith	3	4	2
Sam Lalor	4	3	6
Sid Draper	5	6	3
Harvey Langford	6	5	5
Josh Smillie	7	7	8
Murphy Reid	8	9	7
Harry Armstrong	9	8	12
Tobie Travaglia	10	10	11
Alix Tauru	11	11	10
Leo Lombard	12	12	9
Isaac Kako	13	13	13
Bo Allan	14	14	15
Taj Hotton	15	16	14
Luke Trainor	16	15	17
Jobe Shanahan	17	17	16
Xavier Lindsay	18	18	18
Joe Berry	19	19	20
Sam Marshall	20	20	21
Jack Whitlock	21	22	19
Cooper Hynes	22	23	22
Alex Dodson	23	21	26
Matt Whitlock	24	24	24
Jesse Dattoli	25	25	25
Jonty Faull	26	27	23
Tom Gross	27	28	29
Ollie Hannaford	28	26	-
Christian Moraes	29	30	27
Harrison Oliver	30	29	30

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Their rankings are basically the same

 

[richoplzbreed]

This is a great watch on the '24 draft. Dylan Alexander knows his stuff but what about the great Lids Deledio. Big draft watcher is Brett and knows plenty. Interesting thoughts on Taj Hotton.

Just listened to that. Very impressive and definitely worth checking out. What struck me the most was the contrast between how knowledgeable Deledio is and what an ignorant buffoon Michael Barlow comes across as. Deledios reciting games of potential draftees he'd seen over the past few years and endless anecdotes about the players juxtaposed with Michael Barlow (Norths development coach) knowing sfa, literally coming across as knowing a fraction of what any casual bigfooty poster does. I guess when majority of your soft cap is spent on Clarko and Viney you can only afford dregs. Can easily see Dylan Alexander usurping Cal Tuomey in the next 5 - 10 years.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Just listened to that. Very impressive and definitely worth checking out. What struck me the most was the contrast between how knowledgeable Deledio is and what an ignorant buffoon Michael Barlow comes across as. Deledios reciting games and stats of players he'd seen and endless anecdotes about the players juxtaposed with Michael Barlow (Norths development coach) knowing sfa, literally coming across as knowing a fraction of what any casual bigfooty poster does. I guess when majority of your soft cap is spent on Clarko and Viney you can only afford dregs. Can easily see Dylan Alexander usurping Cal Tuomey in the next 5 - 10 years.

Get what your saying but coming from two totally different situations.

Lids is a player manager, he knows his stuff but also he’s absolutely selling his players

Barlow is in development at North. He would be all across these kids too, even have some inside on who North might take. But absolutely must play his best poker face with that.


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