List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

[Rubber Hips]

I know Shifter is a fan of every player with a heartbeat

But I am an unabashed Dr Davidson fan….hope we select him

 

[THE_GUN]

I just think their F1 is pick 2 up to about pick 8, that's their range which I think would be an enormous win for us to acquire that.

And they have pick 2 this year, I just can't see any way a competent list manager gives that away for pick 6 and 15, you don't slide back that far and give away a top future pick just for 15 which probably ends up becoming like the 17th or 18th kid taken after FS and Academy.

Well lets take a good look at who North can trade with this year to get a top 6/7/8 pick to get their player rumoured to be Tauru. Richmond / St Kilda / Melbourne that hold picks 5-11

St Kilda #7 & #8 they cannot offer both for pick #2 so must be #8 + F1 that means North would be sliding down to #8 and can get Tauru but then again have no other picks and would need to trade Future picks to get picks - With Who ?
Richmond ? Richmond would say yeah ok here is #24 for NorF's F1 & #23 For St Kilda's F1 so they end up with
#8 + #23 +#24 for #2 +F1

Melbourne have only #5 + #9 and nothing else and are not going to give them up to move up 3 spots
Apart from Richmond they really have no other choice to trade their F1 unless they can some how convince GWS to deal 1 of their picks to them and GWS have 6 list spots to fill and want to move up this trade not trade for F1's

NorF are really in a bad place with only StKilda & Richmond as trade partners " If they dont hold pick #2"

 

[richoatthedisco]

I know Shifter is a fan of every player with a heartbeat

But I am an unabashed Dr Davidson fan….hope we select him

He's not a junior and didn't come through the elite pathways. I doubt Shitfer has ever seen him play.

 

[KrispyKreme]

Trainor - We have enough picks to take the punt on him, I haven't seen his concussion incidents to see how innocuous they were, but I'd much rather take the risk on him than Tauru who has bad decision making/disposal, that's a team killer down back in defence.

No im off him concussions

Players I wouldn't target with our picks
Smith - Good extractor, doesn't seem very damaging with the ball, I'd only consider him if he slides to 10/11
Tauru - Bad decision making/disposal for a defender? Even his highlights had him coughing up goals. No thanks, let Norf have him
Allen - Great clearances, but terrible disposal, pass
Hotton - Another with bad disposal, pass

Alex rance was horrible at disposal when he first started it can be repaired.

 

[Infamy]

Alex rance was horrible at disposal when he first started it can be repaired.

Sorry, but we should be targeting players with elite disposal first rather than hoping we can fix something that's broken. You may be able to teach better form, but once at a higher pressure level of AFL, that can be more difficult to execute on. I'd rather consider someone like Barrat if we aren't going to go with Trainor.

 

[Mr Magic]

13 and 29 for 18 and 23 would be much better for everyone

or even 13 and 29 for 18 and 20 with maybe a late 2025 back to us but Port want pick 10 which is about a player that is on their mind

 

[KrispyKreme]

Sorry, but we should be targeting players with elite disposal first rather than hoping we can fix something that's broken. You may be able to teach better form, but once at a higher pressure level of AFL, that can be more difficult to execute on. I'd rather consider someone like Barrat if we aren't going to go with Trainor.

Then don’t consider Trainor at all. Shai bolton wasn’t elite disposal at times but Taj Hotton is as close as him as you can get

 

[Mr Magic]

Well lets take a good look at who North can trade with this year to get a top 6/7/8 pick to get their player rumoured to be Tauru. Richmond / St Kilda / Melbourne that hold picks 5-11

St Kilda #7 & #8 they cannot offer both for pick #2 so must be #8 + F1 that means North would be sliding down to #8 and can get Tauru but then again have no other picks and would need to trade Future picks to get picks - With Who ?
Richmond ? Richmond would say yeah ok here is #24 for NorF's F1 & #23 For St Kilda's F1 so they end up with
#8 + #23 +#24 for #2 +F1

Melbourne have only #5 + #9 and nothing else and are not going to give them up to move up 3 spots
Apart from Richmond they really have no other choice to trade their F1 unless they can some how convince GWS to deal 1 of their picks to them and GWS have 6 list spots to fill and want to move up this trade not trade for F1's

NorF are really in a bad place with only StKilda & Richmond as trade partners " If they dont hold pick #2"

you know what is stopping North trading to pick 8? RFC can pick up Tauru at 6, it is possible is this why Saints are wary?

 

[Mr Magic]

Then don’t consider Trainor at all. Shai bolton wasn’t elite disposal at times but Taj Hotton is as close as him as you can get

Hotton is hardly like Shai, not even ball park

Hotton might become a star, but he is not Shai

 

[energyquant]

No one is hearing anything. Like the clubs would let news out knowing that plebs will go and blab...ffs....

Source?

 

[_RT_]

You must be taking the piss.

I pictured you as fatter.

Much, much, fatter.

 

[Mr Magic]

Firstly I never said anything about not investing in rucks, what I said was "Rookie list or trade for a ready made ruck are always the better options."

Now lets use your example - Nankervis.

Pick 35 in 2013 ND , Swans got 12 games from him before trading him.
We traded pick 46 for a 22yo. player thats already had a couple of years in the system.

The pick we traded to Swans they used on Jack Maibaum - 0 games.

Nankervis has played in the 1's since he got to Punt road and he's at 145 games and counting.

in saying that RFC has too many ruck projects I think versus some more likely and if it is not too much, there is a argument and we have time on our side

The thing is we have a lot of hybrids even Balta can help out. Someone like Simms could theoretically work for us from a team combo perspective in terms of enabling rotations but I have not seen a lot of vision. So Simms may not work for some teams but could for RFC in terms of team synergy possibly, just at quick face value, than again I might be missing something

Actually thinking about is some more Simms, does he have a bit of David Cloke about him?

I just think it is not a crime for RFC to get a higher pick and get a later pick to pick up someone early thirties by the looks of it if it happened

 

[Al Heimer]

depends how desperate NM are to split that pick into two first rounders.

They'll only have a minute or two to decide when we offer them 11 and 23 for their 2 and F1 on draft night.
Desperate losers are not smart choosers.

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[Calcium Man]

Spot on. We also have our rookie pie in the sky rucks so really it will be about trading or FA a Nank replacement.

Also if we are going to invest a 1st rounder in that position better to do next year on a Vic kid so they don't **** off home.

The only positive is we can trade shit SA rucks to Norf for pick 20 in a few years

 

[richoatthedisco]

I'd rather consider someone like Barrat if we aren't going to go with Trainor.

I'd rather Barrat than Trainor full stop.

Good for you. Ozempic?

 

[Mr Magic]

I couldn't sleep last night, so finally got around to looking at some video. I definitely haven't got enough knowledge about the juniors as many on here do, but here's who caught my eye (and who didn't)

Pick 1 - Sam Lalor - No alternatives, he's perfect for Richmond, just take him #1

Pick 6 - Smillie is who I really want, but if Melbourne jumped in and grabbed him first then I'd go for Langford over Smith instead. I'm a little nervous about Langford's speed translating to AFL, but he's still that bigger body midfielder we need, ball magnet, good tank, good extractor and good skills. I'm sure there are plenty who would take Langford over Smillie, but I just think he'll be a difference maker at AFL level in time.

Pick 10 - Xavier Lindsay - Lindsay just screams 200+ game AFL quality to me. He has elite disposal, composure, speed, skills, tacking, leadership, etc. Outside of the Top 6-7, he's the one I want more than anyone. Having his best game as BOG in the U18 Champs decider also shows he thrives at an elevated level which typically is a good sign for kids stepping up to AFL.

Pick 11 - Shanahan then Armstrong if he's gone - We need a key forward, I'm assuming one of them should be on the board still at this point. If Smith does slip to our 2 picks at 10/11 then I'd consider taking him here with Lindsay and get a key forward with 18 instead. If all those options are gone already then it means there's been a couple of sliders to consider instead.

18-24 options I like
Berry - Skillful, moves well, I know he's listed as a small forward but seems to get a bit of the ball in the midfield as well. Would be happy to get him on the list.
J Whitlock - I know I already have us taking Shanahan or Armstrong earlier, but in the event they are both gone, or we want another type of tall forward who can also ruck a bit, then I'd take Jack. Looks like he has a good frame for AFL, good mark, mobile enough, clean below his knees, good kick for goal.
Datolli - Another like Berry with good skills up forward and through the midfield. Nice mark, seems pretty tough, I like how he attacks the ball. Seems like a natural footballer.
Trainor - We have enough picks to take the punt on him, I haven't seen his concussion incidents to see how innocuous they were, but I'd much rather take the risk on him than Tauru who has bad decision making/disposal, that's a team killer down back in defence.

This gives us 3 gun mids of different types (Lalor, Smillie/Langford, Lindsay), 2 tall forwards (Shanahan, Whitlock), 1 tall back (Trainor) and 2 more mid/fwd rotation type players (Berry, Datolli). I think that's a good mix of talent to go along with what we already have on the list and the areas we need to focus on. Other roles we can look at in future drafts as ones that are easier to fill with later picks and don't take as long to develop (i.e. hbf types)

I'm sure we'll trade one of our picks into an F1, so one of them will miss out, however I also don't mind the look of Moraes & Hynes as mid types or Barrat if someone else takes Trainor, or we don't like the concussion issues.

Having looked at a bit of video, I can see why the club is hesitant to trade away our picks and I'd be happy to just keep what we have. If we trade up to get FOS then I'm on board, but I can understand why we wouldn't give up 6 and another pick to get him and risk missing out on someone like Smillie or Langford (or Lindsay).

Players I wouldn't target with our picks
Smith - Good extractor, doesn't seem very damaging with the ball, I'd only consider him if he slides to 10/11
Tauru - Bad decision making/disposal for a defender? Even his highlights had him coughing up goals. No thanks, let Norf have him
Allen - Great clearances, but terrible disposal, pass
Hotton - Another with bad disposal, pass

I agree with some of that, but have you considered all lateral situations??

 

[Mr Magic]

Alex rance was horrible at disposal when he first started it can be repaired.

Jake King had iffy disposal

 

[bigstyletiger]

I couldn't sleep last night, so finally got around to looking at some video. I definitely haven't got enough knowledge about the juniors as many on here do, but here's who caught my eye (and who didn't)

Pick 1 - Sam Lalor - No alternatives, he's perfect for Richmond, just take him #1

Pick 6 - Smillie is who I really want, but if Melbourne jumped in and grabbed him first then I'd go for Langford over Smith instead. I'm a little nervous about Langford's speed translating to AFL, but he's still that bigger body midfielder we need, ball magnet, good tank, good extractor and good skills. I'm sure there are plenty who would take Langford over Smillie, but I just think he'll be a difference maker at AFL level in time.

Pick 10 - Xavier Lindsay - Lindsay just screams 200+ game AFL quality to me. He has elite disposal, composure, speed, skills, tacking, leadership, etc. Outside of the Top 6-7, he's the one I want more than anyone. Having his best game as BOG in the U18 Champs decider also shows he thrives at an elevated level which typically is a good sign for kids stepping up to AFL.

Pick 11 - Shanahan then Armstrong if he's gone - We need a key forward, I'm assuming one of them should be on the board still at this point. If Smith does slip to our 2 picks at 10/11 then I'd consider taking him here with Lindsay and get a key forward with 18 instead. If all those options are gone already then it means there's been a couple of sliders to consider instead.

18-24 options I like
Berry - Skillful, moves well, I know he's listed as a small forward but seems to get a bit of the ball in the midfield as well. Would be happy to get him on the list.
J Whitlock - I know I already have us taking Shanahan or Armstrong earlier, but in the event they are both gone, or we want another type of tall forward who can also ruck a bit, then I'd take Jack. Looks like he has a good frame for AFL, good mark, mobile enough, clean below his knees, good kick for goal.
Datolli - Another like Berry with good skills up forward and through the midfield. Nice mark, seems pretty tough, I like how he attacks the ball. Seems like a natural footballer.
Trainor - We have enough picks to take the punt on him, I haven't seen his concussion incidents to see how innocuous they were, but I'd much rather take the risk on him than Tauru who has bad decision making/disposal, that's a team killer down back in defence.

This gives us 3 gun mids of different types (Lalor, Smillie/Langford, Lindsay), 2 tall forwards (Shanahan, Whitlock), 1 tall back (Trainor) and 2 more mid/fwd rotation type players (Berry, Datolli). I think that's a good mix of talent to go along with what we already have on the list and the areas we need to focus on. Other roles we can look at in future drafts as ones that are easier to fill with later picks and don't take as long to develop (i.e. hbf types)

I'm sure we'll trade one of our picks into an F1, so one of them will miss out, however I also don't mind the look of Moraes & Hynes as mid types or Barrat if someone else takes Trainor, or we don't like the concussion issues.

Having looked at a bit of video, I can see why the club is hesitant to trade away our picks and I'd be happy to just keep what we have. If we trade up to get FOS then I'm on board, but I can understand why we wouldn't give up 6 and another pick to get him and risk missing out on someone like Smillie or Langford (or Lindsay).

Players I wouldn't target with our picks
Smith - Good extractor, doesn't seem very damaging with the ball, I'd only consider him if he slides to 10/11
Tauru - Bad decision making/disposal for a defender? Even his highlights had him coughing up goals. No thanks, let Norf have him
Allen - Great clearances, but terrible disposal, pass
Hotton - Another with bad disposal, pass

Really like your analysis here.

Some questions...

If Murphy Reid is still on the board would you take Lindsay ahead of him?

Not a Travaglia fan?

Why Shanahan over Armstrong?

 

[Sol23]

Really like your analysis here.

Some questions...

If Murphy Reid is still on the board would you take Lindsay ahead of him?

Not a Travaglia fan?

Why Shanahan over Armstrong?

You would have to take Reid over Lindsay. Reid is a gun

 

[Bird Man]

I like how people are coming full circle on Josh Smillie at 6... still think he will be the best in the draft

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I like if we use cotchin to get an understanding of the characters we are drafting. It would be good to keep the tools out

This thread or the rfc?

 

[TigersRoar]

If we did say 18 and 20/23 for 13 and 29 from port. 6 and 13 for norths 2 and future 1st.
Worst case it was 18 and 20.
Leaves us with 1, 2, 10, 11, 23, 24 and 29

We get to keep the back to back 10 and 11 which is valuable, on trade one of 23 or 24 for a future first.

That would be 6 picks this year with at least 4 being first round and apparently still quality in the early second round.
We have have 3 in 2025, from all reports a shallower draft but we would have (most likely) one top 3 (ours) and one top 6 (north, and I think this is being generous), and then hopefully a team that we can hope slips. If Essendon have 2 they might part with one of them, I would just keep it if it was a Geelong or something.

 

[Mr Magic]

If we did say 18 and 20/23 for 13 and 29 from port. 6 and 13 for norths 2 and future 1st.
Worst case it was 18 and 20.
Leaves us with 1, 2, 10, 11, 23, 24 and 29

We get to keep the back to back 10 and 11 which is valuable, on trade one of 23 or 24 for a future first.

That would be 6 picks this year with at least 4 being first round and apparently still quality in the early second round.
We have have 3 in 2025, from all reports a shallower draft but we would have (most likely) one top 3 (ours) and one top 6 (north, and I think this is being generous), and then hopefully a team that we can hope slips. If Essendon have 2 they might part with one of them, I would just keep it if it was a Geelong or something.

Port only want to do the trade for 13 to get 10 do they not??

is it more about a player at 10 or are they trying to offload 13?

I think 10 is worth quite more than 13 in terms of ability to access certain players but I do not know which players the clubs are chasing

 

[KrispyKreme]

You would have to take Reid over Lindsay. Reid is a gun

Id take Lindsay he is a beast

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Yeah they're rare as hens teeth though. Not worth risking a late 1st/early 2ns round pick on for us atm.

We got Nank for a 3rd rounder. Hawks got Meek for peanuts. Shit, Swans and Dees even got Grundy for bugger all. Darcy Cameron at the Pies, Witts etc. etc.

You don't use early picks on ruckman (unless they're a legit KPF/ruck) IMO.

1st rnd ruckman are only good for ringing bells.