List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

[tigs2010]

Long time listener, first time caller and big Lalor fan

For those more educated than myself does Lalors hammy injury cool the jets on wanting to take the punt on him or is his ceiling that high it’s just worth taking the stab with pick 1

Wouldn’t taking FOS who also looks to have a very heigh ceiling be the better option for pick one that still carry’s a degree of risk but without that soft tissue storm cloud lingering

We have Hammy McGee PhD on board rather than Machete Meehan which gives me confidence we've done our due diligence.

The Lalor type player is the most difficult "piece" (hi richoatthedisco) to find in a midfield build so can see why you just grab him and run.

 

[Rocco sifreddi]

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That malaka is embarrassing, pick 75
Yeh I really like this kid has a bit of bontompelli
In the way he plays, could be the steal of the draft.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

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who gives a shift*

 

[Mr Magic]

I remember Judd didn’t go 1 due to concerns on his shoulder. I think you pick your highest rated player regardless of any injury concerns. They are 18, plenty of time to sort their bodies out in a good high performance program.

Why would he??

Hodge was better than Judd

 

[Mr Magic]

I look at this draft


at its prospects


ignoring academies that get matched etc...


FOS
Lalor
Draper
Langford
Smillie
Tauru

One of these guys reaches us at 6.

Now I left out Smith and Reid because queries where they may go.

this means Saint Kilda have to pick one of Smith and or Reid or not

The Saints might pick a KPP


who are Melbourne going to pick?? If they pick SMillie who do they pick 9? If they pick Langford who do they pick at 9?? other possibilities to.

the point is 6 gets us a reasonably good prospect and a good chance at another at 10/11 potentially.

The other thing is what do the Saints want for 7 or 8?? we will know more live draft night from who is left by then to

The point is RFC staying where we are is not a bad thing, if North want 6, they need to pay up, and we certainly would be mad to sell the farm


to me it is looking like 6 and 23 for pick 2 from North and if North do not like it, we stay as is, no problem

 

[Smoocher]

why are RFC trading 11 and 20 for 16 and a future first again??? I did not ask for it again

The future 1st is the key for Tigers. The most valuable of any club as we are a definite bottom 4 side.

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[THE THIN MAN]

 

[THE THIN MAN]

 

[tora tora tora]

Lions just shit the flag in with Darcy fken Fort as their ruck in the granny

an "A grade" ruck is the most overrated thing in footy

Fort played one or 2 games. Oscar got em there. Daniher had been good quality back up.

4 rucks on our list? 2 cat Bs and Ryan. That's barely depth. Ryan is 2 years away. DFA would make most sense. Father son Knoblel? May as well use Ryan or...

I dont mind the idea of a late 1st rounder this draft on a Gerreyn, Dodson, Whitlock.

 

[cairo tiger]

Tigers give 6/10/11/18
Get 2/north’s future 1st /15/16
North get 6/13/18
Port get 10 give 13/29
Gws get 11/29
Give 15/16/

Just my thoughts

it’s getting beyond stupid now

 

[Mr Magic]

it’s getting beyond stupid now

they are trying to create a distraction to dupe us in

 

[sregit]

You are really making things up here
Melbourne were also in the race to get pick #20 with the points they gave up 1657 points for the St Kilda trade but without the F1.

The only thing we could offer was the extra pick to beat the points Melbourne offered
And the " Threat of the bid" which is a dream BF members think is real

I’m not making things up. I’m not doubting the other offers. I just think we paid far too much and should have walked away. There were other deals to be done.

 

[tigerdan]

Long time listener, first time caller and big Lalor fan

For those more educated than myself does Lalors hammy injury cool the jets on wanting to take the punt on him or is his ceiling that high it’s just worth taking the stab with pick 1

Wouldn’t taking FOS who also looks to have a very heigh ceiling be the better option for pick one that still carry’s a degree of risk but without that soft tissue storm cloud lingering

Hamstrings in kids are nothing. Kids recover from soft tissue injuries easily.
Be different if it was a knee, and even then you had guys like Richo come back and crush it.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Hamstrings in kids are nothing. Kids recover from soft tissue injuries easily.
Be different if it was a knee, and even then you had guys like Richo come back and crush it.

Yeah it’s it’s not so much that fact he got injured it’s more that it was a soft tissue

My assumption is probably completely wrong but I’ve always kind of assumed that once you have that first soft tissue injury you are essentially a higher risk of getting a repeat of the same or similar kinds of injuries and because he has copped this one so young my (probably unfounded assumption ) is that we are taking more of a risk with a player who is injury prone if that makes sense

But even as I’m writing this I guess I can look back at guys like Grimes who’s early career was plagued with soft tissue injuries but once it was properly sorted he never really had any issues again in that department for the rest of his career

So it’s probably about finding the underlying cause and trying to eliminate it be it running technique or strengthening, whatever and working through it

Still very much a fan of Lalor at pick 1 but just trying to go through the pros and cons of the potential candidates for myself

 

[Tigerbob]

 

[tigerfan1961]

they are trying to create a distraction to dupe us in

Lol, he/she is a poster on big footy!

 

[THE THIN MAN]

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[bc27]

Personally I am not very high on Armstrong or Tauru.

Armstrong is very one dimensional and played in quality teams all year that gave him silver service. He’s undersized and not a crazy athlete.
He’s a no for me.

Tauru is nice athlete. But his decision making is just plain bad. His execution of skills under pressure was something that was really suspect aswell. A lot of people on here are claiming the Alex Rance

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comparisons which is fair to an extent. The hard part for Tauru is that Rancey had the mentality of an absolute warrior and the most determined competitive instinct I’ve ever seen. His drive on the training track was all time.
These attributes aren’t measured at combines and are going to be extremely rare to find. So the likely hood that Tauru can develop this isn’t likely.

Personally I’ve always fallen back on the one thing that can not be taught or trained. And that’s height and size.
Whitlocks have this and the combo of agility skill and size is really exciting.

Gerryn is also a really underrated prospect and is in my personal top 15.

 

[bc27]

Also is Lalor deciding to go play cricket if it gets too hard and the Hammys don’t hold up a worry, especially being a number one pick?

The de goey comparison is a concern more than a postive in my mind.
Lalor is on the heavy side for a mid and de goey can hardly stay on the park for a big portion of his career.
Blokes like petracca are one in a thousand and his work off the track is second to none.
Is Lalor that commited? Will it be easier to fall back to another sport if his body doesn’t hold up?

 

[Muddiemoose]

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Wonder if these people would subscribe to the same logic if we said let’s put pick 1 on the table for Melbourne’s 5 and 9

 

[Azzleberry]

Yeah it’s it’s not so much that fact he got injured it’s more that it was a soft tissue

My assumption is probably completely wrong but I’ve always kind of assumed that once you have that first soft tissue injury you are essentially a higher risk of getting a repeat of the same or similar kinds of injuries and because he has copped this one so young my (probably unfounded assumption ) is that we are taking more of a risk with a player who is injury prone if that makes sense

But even as I’m writing this I guess I can look back at guys like Grimes who’s early career was plagued with soft tissue injuries but once it was properly sorted he never really had any issues again in that department for the rest of his career

So it’s probably about finding the underlying cause and trying to eliminate it be it running technique or strengthening, whatever and working through it

Still very much a fan of Lalor at pick 1 but just trying to go through the pros and cons of the potential candidates for myself

The fact he's never had a proper preseason could likely be the reason why he had a soft tissue injury late in the season.

I'm sure if we take him, he'll have a program suitable to build his fitness over a number of years and not just the 'standard' program.

Only injury id really be worried about is concussions as it seems like if you get 2-3 knocks in the AFL, that could be the end of your career. Would still Trainor at 18 or later though given how many picks we have- worth the risk, as was a top 5 talent before that

 

[Wrenny]

North Melbourne won't be trading its F1st.

Please stop asking.

Thank you.

Saints give 8 to GWS
GWS give 15,16 to Saints.
Saints give 7 & 16 to North.
North give pick 2 to Saints.
Rich give North pick 11 &20 for F1 and 16.

Tigers get to keep the Valued pick 6 as well as gain a F1 and 16 for giving up 11,20
Tigers still have 23 and 24 to trade out for more F1 if they like.

Saints have 2,15.
GWS have 8,21
North have 7,11,20
Tigers end up with 1,6,10,16,18,23,24 and a F1 (likely top 4 pick).

North happy as they get Tauru as Tigers will definitely go for Mid at 6.



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[Muddiemoose]

The fact he's never had a proper preseason could likely be the reason why he had a soft tissue injury late in the season.

I'm sure if we take him, he'll have a program suitable to build his fitness over a number of years and not just the 'standard' program.

Only injury id really be worried about is concussions as it seems like if you get 2-3 knocks in the AFL, that could be the end of your career. Would still Trainor at 18 or later though given how many picks we have- worth the risk, as was a top 5 talent before that

Yeah all really good points.

And definitely think we are seeing the concussion issues play out in real time with Trainor slipping down the draft order by all accounts

Obviously means whoever does pull the trigger can potentially come away with a real bargain but it its also understandable that club’s don’t want to risk using a blue chip pick

 

[tigerfan1961]

My view is that either we approached Norf, or the other way around, and they spoke about what Norf would accept to part with pick 2. We or they clearly weren’t happy with what was discussed and spoke about what would be required to get it done.
In my opinion, based on the info from C4[2]Yo`DooR , who has been a very reliable poster in the past, we have been talking to Port about pick 10. Why would we be doing that unless it’s part of a deal to secure pick 2, there’s zero incentive for us to boost our number of selections in the draft and why would we want to slide from 10 to 13? To hear the Giants are also involved tells me a broad outline of what the deal looks like has been agreed upon by us and Norf but we need to involve other clubs to make it happen. And Norf moving players to the rookie list freeing up main list spots tells me they are going to split 2 for more picks in this draft.
Posters need to sit back and wait for negotiations to be completed and we will learn in due course what we pay. Blair is a fair but tough negotiator and I’m sure we will walk away with the best deal we can do. I’ll be very surprised if we don’t end up with 1,2 and 6 but it’s going to cost us more than pick 10 for certain. Giants will have to get something out of the deal and I suspect 11 will go too but maybe we keep 13 from Port?
But I’m not going to get worked up over it, if we get 2 and keep 1 & 6, I won’t be too upset.

 

[Noidnadroj]

I’m not making things up. I’m not doubting the other offers. I just think we paid far too much and should have walked away. There were other deals to be done.

Bottom line is pick-20 on its own is a lot more valuable than the combo of all the picks we gave away to get it.

It’s naive to think we could’ve got the Lion’s pick for less than we offered. Do we honestly think Blair started with our ‘best’ offer?


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