List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

sregit · 2024-11-07T23:36:15+1100

jthanos said:
Will never happen for the following reasons;
1.we have 8 list spots to fill
2. FOS is not worth losing 6,10 &11 in the scenario above
3. Blair says we will use our picks, we swap only 23 into next year
4. Nest year is a much weaker draft after pick 10

I agree FOS is not worth trading to pick 2. We’d still have 6 picks inside the top 24, 1st pick in the Rookie draft and train on/PSD. That fills 8 spots. Next year I would bet Ric, Nth , ESS and possibly Mel F1 picks are in the top 10.

sregit · 2024-11-07T23:42:15+1100

austyn08 said:
Maybe, but doesn’t leave time draft night to explore others.
Sure we consolidate now if we are sure.

Not true. Pick trades can be lodged before Richmond goes on the clock for pick 1.

THE THIN MAN · 2024-11-07T23:48:36+1100

Michaels said:
You know what, I'll take 2nd place.

sregit · 2024-11-07T23:58:28+1100

the underdog said:
Port Adelaide zeroing in on either Shanahan or J Whitlock with their first pick.

If we want Shanahan, we will need to use 10 or 11.

Pass.

Coach_Required · 2024-11-08T00:06:00+1100

prodigy said:
Fixed

FOS is gonna be a dud. Feel it in my bones.

of unsound mind · 2024-11-08T00:16:55+1100

prodigy said:
This obsession with talls to be taken with our later picks is bemusing.
I feel like I'm missing something.

Talls are a crapshoot.
Rare to confidently predict a gun while they are still growing into their size. Armstrong looks the best, but still not sure he would make a #1 forward. There are promising talls throughout this draft though. We will get a couple at the right picks.

of unsound mind · 2024-11-08T00:20:57+1100

Coach_Required said:
FOS is gonna be a dud. Feel it in my bones.

If you say it enough times do you think it will come true?

Noidnadroj · 2024-11-08T00:36:21+1100

I’m asking for those with more knowledge than me in this space…. I’ve read a few ‘pre-draft’ reviews of Jhye Clark and it sounds very similar to Jagga … contested ball winner, classy, leadership, highly consistent, certain 250-game player etc…

Now I know it’s early days for Clark, but he’s 2 x seasons in and I think there’d be a few mild concerns with his development given he was such a high pick.

Is Jagga streets ahead of Clark at the same stage all things considered, and if so what attributes does Jagga have that Clark didn’t show in his U18 seasons?

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Mr Magic · 2024-11-08T01:40:43+1100

Noidnadroj said:
I’m asking for those with more knowledge than me in this space…. I’ve read a few ‘pre-draft’ reviews of Jhye Clark and it sounds very similar to Jagga … contested ball winner, classy, leadership, highly consistent, certain 250-game player etc…

Now I know it’s early days for Clark, but he’s 2 x seasons in and I think there’d be a few mild concerns with his development given he was such a high pick.

Is Jagga streets ahead of Clark at the same stage all things considered, and if so what attributes does Jagga have that Clark didn’t show in his U18 seasons?

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Speaking of Clarke, do no mind the look and story of Angus Clarke. As Lids said, one of his boys, like the way he goes about it. Would not be a bad thing if we brought in a couple of SA boys like Clarke and Dobson late.

I like the look of Thomas Simms to, could be a good value fit for RFC

wegetpumped · 2024-11-08T01:45:41+1100

tigerdan said:
I dunno, worst case we end up with Lalor and Smile, right? That's got to be absolute worst case.

Unexpected picks by North or Melbourne make it more likely it's Lalor and Langford or even Lalor and Jagga.

Or we trade to North and get Lalor and FOS and lose pick 11.

Can't be too unhappy with those options.

I agree but hindsight is another beast and what we end up with could be totally different to what we want. Like you said circumstances will dictate the draft.

wegetpumped · 2024-11-08T01:49:21+1100

Noidnadroj said:
I’m asking for those with more knowledge than me in this space…. I’ve read a few ‘pre-draft’ reviews of Jhye Clark and it sounds very similar to Jagga … contested ball winner, classy, leadership, highly consistent, certain 250-game player etc…

Now I know it’s early days for Clark, but he’s 2 x seasons in and I think there’d be a few mild concerns with his development given he was such a high pick.

Is Jagga streets ahead of Clark at the same stage all things considered, and if so what attributes does Jagga have that Clark didn’t show in his U18 seasons?

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Don't know what to think as pros and most here have gone from Jagger to fos to draper to Lalor for number one and wonder who the next one is next of the block. I feel no one in or not in the know has any idea what is going to happen. The sooner the better as it's starting to do my head in lol.

NZ_Tiger · 2024-11-08T01:58:43+1100

Bojangles17 said:
For mine lalor no1 absolutely, interesting the thought of smith sliding to 6 he may well do and offers genuine contrast to what we got and also how lalor plays . If not I reckon Langford is our man , offers versatility that smilie doesn’t have , langers could make it as a HF in mould of caddy with his elite marking and kicking

Langford>smillie. I think he has more tools to make it at afl level. There’s a lot of risk with smilie and I could see him dropping out of the top 10.

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Coach_Required · 2024-11-08T02:08:08+1100

of unsound mind said:
If you say it enough times do you think it will come true?

No different to everyone else here flogging themselves off over these players. History says most of our picks will be duds.

Mr Magic · 2024-11-08T03:14:29+1100

NZ_Tiger said:
Langford>smillie. I think he has more tools to make it at afl level. There’s a lot of risk with smilie and I could see him dropping out of the top 10.

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i agree, Smillie could get to pick 13 even possibly before someone takes a punt, or maybe slightly further

It is just my perspective but Smillies combination might work with youngsters growing but with fully grown males I am not 100 percent of his role and is he too much of a in-betweener??

One could move into different roles but are his traits good enough for those roles competitively to make a difference.

To me he does some things good for a 195cm player but he will be competing against different types with size and in other roles is he good enough? His strengths are almost the opposite of your typical player at that height which is intriguing but is it effective at the highest level?

_RT_ · 2024-11-08T06:19:55+1100

prodigy said:
2? I swear your brain deflates during the off season.
You left a couple off the list as well, one who recently signed for 3 years.
You also can't leave Bauer off the list if you have Lefau on the list.
The way you have shaped your argument isn't really fair because a lot of that list is straight up too early to call.
Definitely: Balta, Gibcus, Fawcett, Ryan
Probably: Miller, Young, Lefau, Bauer
Too early to say: Blight, Gray, Hayes-Brown

The rest, I'd say won't be sticking around.
So, maybe, you should be the one taking the good hard look at our KPP stocks considering you couldn't even name all of them.

Firstly I don't consider Bauer as a KPP but more a general forward similar to the way Broad is a general defender so I didn't put him on the list.

The other name I missed was Ryan and given the opinions on him by a lot of supporters he was fortunate to get 3 years.

Even if he is still here in 3 years I'm not confident that he'll be our number 1 ruck and given the other options are 2 basketball converts in Hayes-Brown and Colina I'll be disappointed if we don't take another ruck like Dodson if available.

Up forward Lynch could be gone this time next year that means we're relying on Koschitzke & Lefau neither are what I'd consider a number 1 forward, then there is the untried Fawcett and Gray a 3rd round pick and MSD respectively if we're relying on them to become leaders of the forward line we're going to need a lot to go right for that to happen. So again if we don't take a KPF this draft I'll be disappointed l.

Finally our defensive stocks. Balta is a lock and Gibcus showed plenty in his first season to suggest he should be a long term option. Unfortunately he has copped 2 LTI that have cruelled his development. Blight while promising has only been given 2025 to prove himself. Miller has a chance to be around but will need to improve his consistency. So while a KPD isn't a necessity if we rate one as best available when the pick is on the clock.

We're rebuilding the list and the belief that we only seem to need midfielders is completely wrong. We need to address every area of the ground if we want to give ourselves the best chance to turn things around.

For me that means taking 3-5 midfield/flankers and at least 2 KPP and a Ruck and make the most out of our draft hand to address as many areas as possible and give the rebuild a solid foundation to build from. Anything less than that will be a mistake

_RT_ · 2024-11-08T06:23:59+1100

Tigers Time said:
To rank Lombard as above average in both Agility and Speed when he finished 1st (6th of all time) in the agility test and 2nd in the 20m sprint while they rank Allen as elite in both when he finished way after Lombard is laughable.

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If you read the criteria its not just based on test results, but what they show on field as well. So it's possible that his agility and speed aren't used in games the way they should be hence the lower ranking

Profop · 2024-11-08T06:33:09+1100

We’re being given a lot of talls in phantom/power drafts because there’s a large amount of KPPs rated towards the back of Round 1 / Early Round 2 and we have pretty much all those picks

Phantom drafts rarely adjust their rankings for club needs

Drunken Wookie · 2024-11-08T06:43:28+1100

Rubber Hips said:
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Taj hotton player comparison: Adam Treloar. This tells you all you need to know.

_RT_ · 2024-11-08T06:59:39+1100

docko911 said:
If that’s true it’s bad luck but we have re-signed Gray, Blight, Lefau, Miller and it looks like Colina is joining our senior/rookie A list. We must think these players have a chance of making it or we wouldn’t waste list spaces on them knowing we expected a strong draft hand. Our list will be far too top heavy if we draft 3 or more KPP/rucks.

Assuming Colina does count as a list spot that would mean we would only have 7 picks in the draft and would leave us only taking 4 smaller types, if we take 3 KPPs/rucks. If you look at our depth chart that would be absurd. We have lost 8 smaller types from the team we entered the season with. In fact we’ve actually gained a KPP already if you count Blight, Gray and Colina, having only lost Grimes and Naismith.

IMO the reason Gray & Blight were given 1 year deals was because we were covering ourselves if we we aren't able to draft KPPs.

Given we're starting from rock bottom I believe we can carry the extra talls in 2025 as Yze works through who is part of his long term plans. I'd have no issues with us taking a genuine ruck, a potential number 1 KPF and a utility KP who could play either end, which gives Yze the ability to continue with his Balta forward plan if he wants to, as there is an analysis that shows he played better as a KPF than KPD.

THE THIN MAN · 2024-11-08T07:20:42+1100

Richmond holds eight of the top 25 picks in the upcoming National Draft, leaving them with many possible strategies for those selections.

It has been suggested that they are likely to trade either up the draft order or into the 2025 draft, in order to space out the picks – given draft contracts all come up at the same time and obviously to give themselves some ammunition for next year.

The Tigers hold picks 1, 6, 10, 11, 18, 23 and 24, following the departures of Shai Bolton, Liam Baker and Daniel Rioli to Fremantle, West Coast and Gold Coast respectively.

Former Geelong forward Daniel Menzel praised their job cashing in during the trade period.

“I think Richmond did a good job too. They got rid of all of those players and stacked as much draft capital as they could. They’re not winning the flag in the next couple of seasons,” Menzel told SEN SA’s Sportsday.

“They’ve got to stock up on kids before Tassie comes in and you don’t want to be down the bottom then. You might as well be down the bottom for the next couple of years and get yourself ready to go, rather than peter around 12th or 13th and then have to rebuild.”

Menzel however would not be trading out of their incredible draft hand, saying they’re giving themselves eight chances to land star players and increasing their odds at nailing five or six of the selections.

“I am not swapping anything. I’m keeping as many picks as possible,” he said.

“The reality is, number one draft picks don’t always hit and neither do picks 2, 3 and 4.

“So if they’ve got eight of the top 24, they’re probably going to hit on four or five of them. Play the percentages.

“If you get five quality players out of this draft, you’d absolutely take that.

“They could try and get a couple picks higher and then what happens if they miss a few and only end up with two good players?

“I quite like that plan and I think it’ll set them up to be able to reload and go again in a few years.”

A similar comparison would be GWS’ 2011 draft crop. The Giants held the top five picks in the draft, as well as 7, 9, 10, 11, 13 and 14.

While they stumbled somewhat on selections like Dom Tyson at pick 3, Matt Buntine at pick 5 and Liam Sumner at 10, they landed Stephen Coniglio at 2, Nick Haynes at 7, Toby Greene at 11, Taylor Adams at 13 and Devon Smith at 14.

This offset middling picks as well like Jon Patton at 1, Will Hoskin-Elliott at 3 and Adam Tomlinson at 9.

Similarly in 2010, the Suns held picks 1, 2, 3, 7, 9, 10, 11 and 13 – selecting David Swallow, Harley Bennell, Sam Day, Josh Caddy, Dion Prestia, Daniel Gorringe, Tom Lynch and Seb Tape.

Could sheer quantity be the way for the Tigers in the 2024 National Draft?

Why sheer quantity is the best path for Richmond at the 2024 AFL Draft

“I am not swapping anything. I’m keeping as many picks as possible.”

www.sen.com.au

Rubber Hips · 2024-11-08T07:22:04+1100

Drunken Wookie said:
Taj hotton player comparison: Adam Treloar. This tells you all you need to know.

Taj also reckons Pies have the best list

THE THIN MAN · 2024-11-08T07:23:02+1100

Richmond enters the 2024 AFL Draft with one of the best hands in recent memory with eight picks inside the first 24 selections.

The crown jewel of that suite of picks is undoubtedly the number one selection and there appears to be a handful of contenders for that first overall pick.

AFL Media’s draft expert Cal Twomey has Levi Ashcroft as his best player in this crop in his phantom form guide, but given Brisbane will match a bid on the Sandringham Dragons product as a father-son, Twomey doesn’t think that the Tigers will use their first pick on the midfielder.

“I don’t think anyone really expects Levi Ashcroft to get the bid at pick 1 from the Tigers,” Twomey told SEN Breakfast.

“It’s obviously a rare case for that to happen, even though there was Jamarra Ugle-Hagan a couple of years ago in 2020 with the Crows bidding on him at number one.”

Behind Ashcroft in his own top handful, Twomey has Oakleigh Chargers midfielder Finn O’Sullivan at two, Dandenong Stingray Harvey Langford at three, GWV Rebel Sam Lalor at four and another Oakleigh Charger in Jagga Smith at five.

While many in the know have thrown a blanket over that group, Twomey says that the talk between other clubs suggests that Lalor or O’Sullivan appear the two most likely to be taken first overall.

“It's not a great year for phantom drafters, it’s fair to say,” Twomey said.

“But you speak to clubs and a lot of the talk is around Sam Lalor, the Greater Western Victoria Rebels prospect who's got a bit of Christian Petracca about him. He wears number four and does a lot of fend-offs, so there are hallmarks of another player (Dustin Martin) who the Tigers have had a fair bit to do with as well.

“He is a player that has been strongly linked to them as well as Finn O’Sullivan, they’re probably the main two that most clubs believe the Tigers will be looking at.

“I don't think we've ever seen a group as even as this one where the player who could go number one like Sam (Lalor), other clubs could have him at number five or six.”

The first round of the 2024 AFL Draft will be announced on November 20 at Marvel Stadium.

The two top contenders for Richmond’s pick 1 as Ashcroft bid appears unlikely

“They’re probably the main two that most clubs believe the Tigers will be looking at.”

www.sen.com.au

THE THIN MAN · 2024-11-08T07:29:23+1100

AFL DRAFT: Full list of nominees as of Nov 7

Tom Clurey, Jack Hayes and Kaine Baldwin are just three of many delisted players to nominate for November's Telstra AFL Draft

www.afl.com.au

GoTigers2015 · 2024-11-08T07:34:00+1100

the underdog said:
Port Adelaide zeroing in on either Shanahan or J Whitlock with their first pick.

If we want Shanahan, we will need to use 10 or 11.

No, not that early. Most likely Fremantle pounces at pick 14,

THE THIN MAN · 2024-11-08T07:39:22+1100

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