List Mgmt. 2024 Draft/Trade/FA Thread 🗑🔥

[Scythe94]

Confirmed outs:

• Angus Brayshaw (Retired)
• Ben Brown (Retired)
• Josh Schache (Delisted)
• Kyah Farris-White (Delisted)

Confirmed ins:

 

[Johnny Karate]

We’ll no doubt start at one first round pick for Houston. It will go from there and no doubt Port will ask for 2 firsts. Let’s hope we don’t go there. I’m ok with offering one first. We could really do with someone that could kick over or pierce through zones like he can.

Given how we’ve developed Salem and Bowey, Houston could easily end up being a really expensive, imported version of them.

 

[markm106]

Houston is a significantly better kick than anyone on our list. The likes of Bowey and Salem don’t have that type of penetration. Rivers does but not the accuracy. May you could argue is closest to him. McVee possibly but I don’t think has the penetration.

 

[Topkent]

Houston is a significantly better kick than anyone on our list. The likes of Bowey and Salem don’t have that type of penetration. Rivers does but not the accuracy. May you could argue is closest to him. McVee possibly but I don’t think has the penetration.

An port absolutely tore apart our zone on Saturday night with him in the side. Definitely the difference maker

 

[Grimey Sylvia]

Houston is a significantly better kick than anyone on our list. The likes of Bowey and Salem don’t have that type of penetration. Rivers does but not the accuracy. May you could argue is closest to him. McVee possibly but I don’t think has the penetration.

Trac also a long, penetrating kick without reliable accuracy.

Melksham also a very good kick and maybe our best field kick considering he can go off either foot - just doesn't get enough of it

Fritsch would be but he rarely passes or gets enough of it anyway

If we want to see more of McVee and Rivers in the middle then we need defenders who can break the lines, or kick over them (or both) to replace them.

If Houston was a free agent we would be frothing about him coming to us for nothing (but cap space). Doesn't make him worth 2 first rounders though.

 

[Mich0]

First time I have seen everyone on this board agreeing on something (Houston).

Would have thought we already over subscribed in our backline. Will have 7 first rounders tied up there ( Leverx2, Houstonx2, Salem, Bowey, May).

Meanwhile our forward line will have 2 (JvR/Pickett).

Idiotic decision by our list management again.

 

[Grimey Sylvia]

An port absolutely tore apart our zone on Saturday night with him in the side. Definitely the difference maker

Melbourne's super power of bringing the game down to the muck.

Houston will do is a fat lot of good if we have Oliver plodding around and all our forwards 80m away running towards goal (or camped in the pocket) instead of leading up at the kicker.

 

[Grimey Sylvia]

First time I have seen everyone on this board agreeing on something (Houston).

Would have thought we already over subscribed in our backline. Will have 7 first rounders tied up there ( Leverx2, Houstonx2, Salem, Bowey, May).

Meanwhile our forward line will have 2 (JvR/Pickett).

Idiotic decision by our list management again.

Don't forget the 12 other defenders on our list that we used actual draft picks on. Who needs midfielders and forwards when you can just keep drafting defefenders to move into those positions.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

First time I have seen everyone on this board agreeing on something (Houston).

Would have thought we already over subscribed in our backline. Will have 7 first rounders tied up there ( Leverx2, Houstonx2, Salem, Bowey, May).

Meanwhile our forward line will have 2 (JvR/Pickett).

Idiotic decision by our list management again.

While sending everyone back to help them out. Its why you cant say Chaplin is good. The resources and game plan is designed specifically to make Chaplin look good.

 

[markm106]

Trac also a long, penetrating kick without reliable accuracy.

Melksham also a very good kick and maybe our best field kick considering he can go off either foot - just doesn't get enough of it

Fritsch would be but he rarely passes or gets enough of it anyway

If we want to see more of McVee and Rivers in the middle then we need defenders who can break the lines, or kick over them (or both) to replace them.

If Houston was a free agent we would be frothing about him coming to us for nothing (but cap space). Doesn't make him worth 2 first rounders though.

Totally agree. He isn’t worth 2 firsts. And agree re Melksham and Fritsch. But they don’t play behind the footy.

 

[Topkent]

Our problem isn't penetrating the zone we don't even try, teams penetrate with run and carry not one player pulling a miracle kick off. That's a 2-3 times in a game maybe thing

 

[Mich0]

While sending everyone back to help them out. Its why you cant say Chaplin is good. The resources and game plan is designed specifically to make Chaplin look good.

Chaplin is the last coach I would be having a go at

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Chaplin is the last coach I would be having a go at

lol, SMH, you just listed all the resources we have put into the backline, on top of that he gets a defensive game plan. Id hope the backline looks respectable.

 

[Bluelegs]

Our problem isn't penetrating the zone we don't even try, teams penetrate with run and carry not one player pulling a miracle kick off. That's a 2-3 times in a game maybe thing

The Houston thing really feels like Goodwin wants to persist with the chip kick gameplan we did for the first half of the year.

 

[Mich0]

lol, SMH, you just listed all the resources we have put into the backline, on top of that he gets a defensive game plan. Id hope the backline looks respectable.

If Chaplin is championing his line to get that, I don’t see how it’s on him that the list team actually do it.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

If Chaplin is championing his line to get that, I don’t see how it’s on him that the list team actually do it.

Im not saying it is. .. im simply saying this game plan is designed to make him look good, and we have spent money and picks on his area of the ground.

 

[Mich0]

Im not saying it is. .. im simply saying this game plan is designed to make him look good, and we have spent money and picks on his area of the ground.

Yeah ok cool. Random / unnecessary thing to bring up when discussing Houston, but cool. Sounds like he is doing his job right / well by getting the footy department to stack his line. Wish our other line coaches did the same.

In other news, sun shines during the day.

 

[Scythe94]

First time I have seen everyone on this board agreeing on something

And it lasted for two whole minutes

 

[Grimey Sylvia]

Our problem isn't penetrating the zone we don't even try, teams penetrate with run and carry not one player pulling a miracle kick off. That's a 2-3 times in a game maybe thing

I see it a little differently. Run and carry is important but usually relies on a riskier kick back through the middle or over the first layer of zone - causing the next later to push up which then the run/carry, sharp handballing gets through or kick out the back opens up.

Agree that adding 1 player who can make that kick does bugger all for us. Too easy to shut down.

Unfortunately for us our problems go far beyond kicking skills. We cannot even hit targets with handballs, put on a decent shepherd and our want/will/fitness to spread quickly or run defensively is diabolically poor.

 

[Topkent]

I see it a little differently. Run and carry is important but usually relies on a riskier kick back through the middle or over the first layer of zone - causing the next later to push up which then the run/carry, sharp handballing gets through or kick out the back opens up.

Agree that adding 1 player who can make that kick does bugger all for us. Too easy to shut down.

Unfortunately for us our problems go far beyond kicking skills. We cannot even hit targets with handballs, put on a decent shepherd and our want/will/fitness to spread quickly or run defensively is diabolically poor.

Some does come from kicks yes, some comes from turnover and some comes from a mark that's flicked into a handball. This is the problem with us getting Houston. It's not just add a nice kick and we get more attacking it's a whole team mindset. He can't just do it alone. Steven May might be the best kicking full back that's ever played AFL, makes no difference when he nails a kick into the corridor and then the guy grabs it and goes back over the mark then kicks to a contest on the flank

 

[Crusty Demon]

Trac also a long, penetrating kick without reliable accuracy.

Melksham also a very good kick and maybe our best field kick considering he can go off either foot - just doesn't get enough of it

Fritsch would be but he rarely passes or gets enough of it anyway

If we want to see more of McVee and Rivers in the middle then we need defenders who can break the lines, or kick over them (or both) to replace them.

If Houston was a free agent we would be frothing about him coming to us for nothing (but cap space). Doesn't make him worth 2 first rounders though.

Houston is a very good player. I don't think anyone is denying that. The problem is the cost when we are seemingly on our way down, and how effective will he actually be under Goodwin. May is about the only good kick that is utilised in our team. Maybe Spargo was to a certain degree a couple of years ago. But that's about it. What's he gonna do with Houston? Get him to chip sideways? Kick it into a packed F50 where our forwards have no space? Might as well plonk Woey in that role and save 2 firsts.

 

[Scythe94]

May is about the only good kick that is utilised in our team

Is he utilised though? Obviously has been given the direction to nearly always go long down the left side at kick-ins, and has been doing it for years as a result.

 

[Demon Attack]

Anyone for Peter Wright? Playing VFL and his deal is until 2027 so would require a trade, would help up forward and as second ruck.

 

[Grimey Sylvia]

Our forward line issues have been well documented and now all the focus is on a HBF who can kick good...

Our issues are all in the midfield. We are just constantly robbing letter to Paul in there.

- Our best contested mid (Trac) has to spend too much time forward trying to fix that area.

- Our most agile, dynamic, X factor mid (Kozzie) is our most dangerous forward

- Our potentially best explosive, leg driving mid (Rivers) is that same weapon off half back

- Our next potentially best decision making and disposal mid (McVee) is just that off half back.

ANB can pinch hit in there, Viney can still give burst and occasional full game but we need a couple of genuine mids that keep the quality players ahead and behind the ball.

 

[Mich0]

We need to bring in 2 dynamic mids this off season. Real nimble blokes who can kick. Knowing us though we will try to bring in another big bodies mid/fwd and a half back flanker who can kick well.

Probably another NQR key forward also.

 

[Scythe94]

Anyone for Peter Wright? Playing VFL and his deal is until 2027 so would require a trade, would help up forward and as second ruck.

Could do worse (and would keep JVR out of the ruck), but he's another that would probably struggle with the way we move the ball as he's hardly a pack-crashing contested beast (despite his size).

That, and Essendon are a nightmare to deal with. Probably rather focus our efforts on rejuvenating the midfield, but if he somehow came cheap, why not.