List Mgmt. 2024 Father Son watch MKIII. Operation Ashcroft jnr. Featuring various academy boys.

[Jivlain]

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

There is hope; I read that Nick Blakey turned down the opportunity to join his Dad’s club as father / son including us via Fitzroy and North to stay in Sydney where his family lived and join the Swans.

So it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that he wants to stay local - one can hope anyway provided he’s good and wants to join the Lions.

In Blakey's case the pull was even stronger than that, because his Dad was an assistant coach at the Swans at the time. I don't think any other clubs were seriously in contention for his signature.

 

[scoman]

Going to have to draft a third tall type now by the looks...... Himmelberg off the market.

 

[Miller1971]

Does not surprise me at all.
I remember years ago, a study showed across a bunch of sports that required being drafted that people born during the first 6 months of the year were quote a bit more likely to be drafted by pro teams. It was down to more often than not being more mature than those born in the last 6 months of the year, being identified early which allowed them to get more specialized coaching as they went through the ranks that they still had as an advantage over the 'younger' kids when they physically caught up to them.

yep, there is statistical evidence that being born in Jan-April makes you more likely to become a professional athlete.

There is hope; I read that Nick Blakey turned down the opportunity to join his Dad’s club as father / son including us via Fitzroy and North to stay in Sydney where his family lived and join the Swans.

So it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that he wants to stay local - one can hope anyway provided he’s good and wants to join the Lions.

as I said elsewhere, I've never met the kid or the legendary Dad, but the chatter among local footy circles is they are a very committed local family and if he were to be good enough, Hodge would prefer to stay with the Lions

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

yep, there is statistical evidence that being born in Jan-April makes you more likely to become a professional athlete.

Born early January and not a single athletic gene in my body. To whom do I address my letter of complaint?

Dear Mum and Dad,

 

[Miller1971]

think the research was more based around 2 talented kids born in the same year 10 months apart, the Jan kid will be more likely to succeed than the October kid.

If you're not talented, then doesn't matter when you're born!

 

[briztoon]

There is further research on this subject, and Steph Conole has mentioned it in interviews before.

By the age of 26, in AFL, the number of early year births to late year births has almost completely evened out out, where it’s at a 51/49 ratio.

It’s one reason why the Lions have targeted a high number of later year births at the draft, particularly those who haven’t been in talent pathways, as they are viewed as having a lot more development left in their game and physical growth.


Wilmot is a clear example of this (a late December birth), who we rated higher than Josh Sinn (January) and Campbell Chesser (April), yet Sinn and Chesser had been in the pathway since U15’s, both were significantly more physically developed, and rated higher prospects by many draft analysts and recruiters.

 

[p4p1]

Born early January and not a single athletic gene in my body. To whom do I address my letter of complaint?

Dear Mum and Dad,

Your Mum and Dad.
Feel free to cut them off for not giving you the athletic genes you deserve. That is why I cut mine out. They were just too toxic and negative when creating me. Mum or Dad should have gone and gone and stole 'samples' from elite athlete and used IVF. They're selfishness has cost me an elite professional career.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Your Mum and Dad.
Feel free to cut them off for not giving you the athletic genes you deserve. That is why I cut mine out. They were just too toxic and negative when creating me. Mum or Dad should have gone and gone and stole 'samples' from elite athlete and used IVF. They're selfishness has cost me an elite professional career.

Man - you went in hard on this one

 

[trikster]

 

[Scubaveg]

Hodge didn’t play enough games for the lions for his son to be eligible.


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[McIvor]

Hodge didn’t play enough games for the lions for his son to be eligible.


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He’s eligible through the Lions Academy like a Nick Blakey. Could have gone father son to North or Lions through Fitzroy but chose Sydney as he was in their Academy like Hodge’s son is with us.

 

[Tom14]

Kid is what 14? 15? why does Hodge have to have an opinion on this lol

 

[dlanod]

Kid is what 14? 15? why does Hodge have to have an opinion on this lol

Because otherwise SEN will have to take more callers, so to be honest I'm fine with Hodge getting asked stupid questions.

 

[Miller1971]

Most parents would be thrilled their kid is being talked about as a draft prospect at 15, not sure Luke Hodge would be one of them

 

[Gadzorks]

think the research was more based around 2 talented kids born in the same year 10 months apart, the Jan kid will be more likely to succeed than the October kid.

If you're not talented, then doesn't matter when you're born!

The original study was with ice hockey players.

Eight months of growth at 12-14yo is significant, do the older kids get more opportunity in rep squads. So more development and better coaches.

 

[scoman]

The original study was with ice hockey players.

Eight months of growth at 12-14yo is significant, do the older kids get more opportunity in rep squads. So more development and better coaches.

We have seen this with our daughter and netball. She doesn't play a very high division and most of her team are starting to have birthdays now and many later in the year. All the girls are in Year 5. The higher division 11's girls at our club are mostly Year 6 with the early birthdays. We played a couple of Div 1 teams at a carnival recently and were blown away by how much more mature and physically developed those girls were. Bigger, stronger, faster with more power and confidence. It can be hard to catch up, and often takes girls and boys to their mid teens.

 

[Gadzorks]

We have seen this with our daughter and netball. She doesn't play a very high division and most of her team are starting to have birthdays now and many later in the year. All the girls are in Year 5. The higher division 11's girls at our club are mostly Year 6 with the early birthdays. We played a couple of Div 1 teams at a carnival recently and were blown away by how much more mature and physically developed those girls were. Bigger, stronger, faster with more power and confidence. It can be hard to catch up, and often takes girls and boys to their mid teens.

You can really see it when a club has multiple teams in an age division. The top team are majority early birthday compared to that sports age cut off.

There was a deliberate move to try to expand the talent pool by selecting across the age groups but I don't imagine it got a lot of traction.

Coaches see the stars, not the potential of the slow developers.

Hmmm ... Where have we heard this before?

 

[Dalions]

We have seen this with our daughter and netball. She doesn't play a very high division and most of her team are starting to have birthdays now and many later in the year. All the girls are in Year 5. The higher division 11's girls at our club are mostly Year 6 with the early birthdays. We played a couple of Div 1 teams at a carnival recently and were blown away by how much more mature and physically developed those girls were. Bigger, stronger, faster with more power and confidence. It can be hard to catch up, and often takes girls and boys to their mid teens.

Both of my daughters were actually quite good little swimmers.
The older of my daughters was a December birth and always kind of struggled with the fact that she was racing girls that were almost 12 months older than her and about a foot taller than her, even although she would often come seconds and thirds but never quite got the win which played with her head a bit.
The younger daughter was March born and was older than the bulk of her competitors and won everything, was very talented and certainly didn’t struggle with confidence when she was in the pool.
Both gave it away before really finding out just how good they were or could be, for different reasons, but the same thing applied as it does in the footy world.

 

[Sanchez365]

Anecdotally I played one season of basket ball where our team got cut in half, with half going up (to like under 14s) and half staying down (to like under 12s). Can't remember exactly how it happened but being in the cutoff by like 1 month I became the most physically developed lad and literally dominated.

Edit: should mention I was pretty much always up against way bigger guys and that one season was an anomaly. I also was only every average haha.

So I can see how it would make certain players stand out at different ages. Probably another good reason to add to the increase the draft age argument.

 

[M Malice]

Unfortunately I had to deal with the decline at the other end of life, ie. playing Futsal well into my 50s with and against for the most part guys 20+ years younger than me.

 

[Miller1971]

This is why I am a supporter of kids in the Academy born after August (random month selected) getting an over age year in Level 3, or even in Level 2.

However, kids getting a second crack at it who are Jan-March babies just makes no sense.

 

[knaf]

I hope Hodge said ”give the kid a break. He’s only 14/15. At this stage let him just enjoy his footy with his mate.”

 

[Cubs2Lions]

I hope Hodge said ”give the kid a break. He’s only 14/15. At this stage let him just enjoy his footy with his mate.”

No, we need him to sign with our club for next year to replace our beloved Ashcroft

One famous name to another for our midfield bridage.

 

[scoman]

With the Qld school system shifting to the split ages about 10 years ago, It might have made the gap even larger. There are benefits and of course disadvantages of starting school that little bit earlier. Those older kids (January- June birthdays) in each age group do start school younger and smaller than their classmates, but they then get to compete in weekend and school sports against kids from the lower school year level. It does seem to make a difference in the majority of cases. Obviously not always. While my daughter finds herself a bit behind with her Netty, it hasn't stopped her when it comes to her running. Over 100m she is an absolute jet

 

[Gadzorks]

With the Qld school system shifting to the split ages about 10 years ago, It might have made the gap even larger. There are benefits and of course disadvantages of starting school that little bit earlier. Those older kids (January- June birthdays) in each age group do start school younger and smaller than their classmates, but they then get to compete in weekend and school sports against kids from the lower school year level. It does seem to make a difference in the majority of cases. Obviously not always. While my daughter finds herself a bit behind with her Netty, it hasn't stopped her when it comes to her running. Over 100m she is an absolute jet

Same thing happens academically.

Late birthday kids in primary school are called out as immature and behaviorally inappropriate.

Massive difference in age related development, but the kids gets a label of difficult that follows them. Sad.