List Mgmt. 2024 Father Son watch MKIII. Operation Ashcroft jnr. Featuring various academy boys.

[Jivlain]

 

[M Malice]

Archer Reid is a bit soft but has some talent - feel there is some shades of Schache to his game. As in cwnnread the flight odnthe ball well, has some decent forward craft. Just hard to gauge him. Wouldn't be my preferred pick but trying to incorporate club needs into the decision he might be the one we target? Smith and Lane don't fill me with much hope so maybe Edwards if the club feels similar.

Fully expect the club to take some random player and a few on this board to melt. Never really got around the melts that happen at draft time. Makes for some entertaining reading.

Shades of Schache.

NOOOOOOOOO!

 

[RoyBoy17]

Would be happy with Reid or Edwards at our first. I know we have rucks tied down but Lane has a year left and Edwards upside is already a lot better. Again it just depends how good we think Gillett will be. He looks solid without being anything out of the ordinary at his age. I think we will go with Reid as he is more of a forward.

For our second I would like Tarkyn O’Leary. Even Harvey Johnston. O’Leary has that speed and endurance combo we are after. He has the skills to match as well. Both those players maybe a little hidden given how strong the Sandringham team has been in recent years.

Mannagh is the other that I would be more than happy with.

Does anyone know if we have any rookie selections available?

 

[briztoon]

We seem to be fairly stacked in key defensive options now but I don’t mind the look of Ollie Murphy as a bit of younger depth down there.

Who was it a couple of pages back that didn’t test well at the combine?
Don’t have time to flick through to find that.

Archer Reid is probably the best of the key forwards left on the board who can also ruck a bit.

Not sure we particularly need a player who is more of a genuine ruck.

I could see us going for an outside player or a small forward.

Ollie Murphy.

 

[Dalions]

Ollie Murphy.

He looks to move really quite well, so doesn’t look like he should test like that.

 

[Warwick]

Yeah ‘key forward’ and ‘soft’ is a massive red flag.

The one attribute you really can’t train into a player.

No thanks to another Schache.

 

[Quigley]

With the athleticism of Payne I think we could cover for a less athletic KPD especially if he is a smart player. So don't mind Murphy as an option.

ZZ is a good option to stash in the ressies and give time to develop. Play a game or so now and again when injuries happen. He needs to learn the position and it will take time. His athletic talent does intrigue me and we are fortunate in that we can take the time to develop him properly.

Reid seems like the obvious target for us given we need some KPF depth. He is another who needs time to develop. I am not seeing as a particularly soft player and generally think his aggression is fine. He does not mind mixing it up in a crowd and will throw his weight around. There are times when he could go harder but personally I often think that is a function of not being sure when to go and when not to. He will get pushed off occasionally but again I think that is more a result of not being positioned correctly rather than a lack of aggression. I would like his test results as to my eye he looks like he moves around the park okay but lacks a bit of acceleration and often seems to struggle for separation against better opponents.

Morris is a bit undersized for a modern forward but he might slot into our team as a nice third tall forward option. He probably has the best suite of skills for that taller forward type.

Schoenmaker is probably my favourite player available based on skills but I am not really sure how he would fit in with us. Nice size at 194cm for a third tall type (which we don't need) and with a cannon for a leg (which is always handy). There is some talk about him playing on a wing which does intrigue me if he has the engine for it. We have some wing options but no-one has really nailed down the positions tight especially if Fletcher moves more inside. He would be best available in my opinion.

 

[Berrygood]

This is the same question I have with Gillett.

I wouldn’t say either Reid or Gillett are soft, but in the little I’ve watched of both players, I haven’t see the attack on the ball you want to see.

Some of it might be because of “baby giraffe syndrome” where both players haven’t properly grown in to their height yet, but for me, they’re more often standing under the ball and being pushed out of the contest too easily.

The other question I have is, I don’t know how much time Reid has split playing ruck or playing forward, so I don’t know if his lack of goals up forward is because he has spent much of his season playing ruck.


I don’t know if Mitch Edwards has played primarily forward as a target. I know he has spent most of the last two seasons playing ruck, and has shown he’s capable when resting forward.

If I’m drafting Edwards, it’s to be a ruck, anything forward is a bonus.

I wouldn't take either. We don't need a ruck/fwd and we certainly don't need another 10ply tall fwd. If there's not a genuine talented, hard working, physical, key fwd with a hunger for the contest available to us at this draft or any other draft don't bother. No more fwds that can ruck a bit or rucks that might make a fwd. It's one position where you don't want a Jack of all trades, you want a master of one. If we can't draft and develop a key fwd, it's one position I'm more than happy to go to the trade table and get one, like we did with Daniher. So drafting a tall fwd isn't a priority for me.

I would be keen on a tall defender, Zakostelsky if he makes it to our pick. We've got a good record developing tall backs from the draft. Andrews, Payne, Gardiner, Merrett, Justin Clarke eg., and while we do have good depth at the moment, Lester likely to retire, Gardiner could drop off and become depth at best, Doedee is an injury risk and we don't know what Joyce will provide in the future.

Mannagh is a good option, could replace Zorko, ready made cover for Linc or Charlie. Although I do think he's a player that if we wanted him we could pick up in the rookie draft.

The idea of Freijah appeals to me. I can't remember if we've drafted a genuine winger before. Sharpie I think we picked on his endurance with a hope he develops into a winger. Maybe it's time we stopped trying to convert a mid or hb into a wingman and pick one. Wing is certainly an area we can improve on, and a position that's become really important in today's game. Definitely a future need.

Looking fwd to seeing what the club does. I'm sure they will surprise most, satisfy some and anger a few.

 

[dlanod]

Archer Reid is a bit soft but has some talent - feel there is some shades of Schache to his game. As in cwnnread the flight odnthe ball well, has some decent forward craft. Just hard to gauge him. Wouldn't be my preferred pick but trying to incorporate club needs into the decision he might be the one we target? Smith and Lane don't fill me with much hope so maybe Edwards if the club feels similar.

Reading synopsis on Reid they all talk up marking on the lead, getting separation, but contested marking requires work.

Yeah that sounds like Noble's knocks on Schache. The value prospect at 31 might be different and Noble is no longer with us, so I'm curious to see what eventuates now.

 

[lionshine]

I am definitely open to drafting Reid but I can’t help but see Sam Weideman

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Sam Weideman

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27

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197cm

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99kg

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3.8

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3.2

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0.4

3star

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1.2

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in him which worries me. Would be good to add a young KPF to our list though but as others have stated we could also go the trade/FA route to fill that gap.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the club likes someone like Angus Hastie. Kind of player our recruiters seem to love, Vic Country boy as well. Luamon Lual another who reminds me of Jordan Clark

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but obviously not a need off half back with Wilmot, Kiddy ect. Unless the club see guys like Hastie/Lual as a wing option.

I think the highest upside picks at this point would be Mitch Edwards or Tew Jiath.

I will add for all the talk of this draft being shallow I think there are some great prospects available for our upcoming picks at 31 & 42.

 

[Miller1971]

Not to mention watching the Fox show and the numerous references to ‘unicorns’.

WTF is a unicorn and where the hell did that term come from in 2023 referring to draftees.

I’m seriously lost with this new BS speak.

Please someone enlighten me.

Defintely overused.

The only true 'unicorn' in the draft is Ethan Read.

Running a sub 6min 2 k time trial when you are 200cm+ and have skills like him is an incredibly rare trait that makes use of the word 'unicorn' appropriate.

Kid is a freak and will be an elite AFL footballer.

This is the same question I have with Gillett.

I wouldn’t say either Reid or Gillett are soft, but in the little I’ve watched of both players, I haven’t see the attack on the ball you want to see.

Some of it might be because of “baby giraffe syndrome” where both players haven’t properly grown in to their height yet, but for me, they’re more often standing under the ball and being pushed out of the contest too easily.

Gillett isn't soft from what I've seen, but he also floats in and out of games and doesn't have the 'competitive juices' flowing 100% of the time.

One of those kids that needs to take the 'angry pills' to perform at a high level and isn't always 'angry'.

 

[Section 5]

Are all first round picks from last night now 3 year contracts?

Just the top 20

 

[Section 5]

I don't think any club view Mannagh a top 50 pick.

If the draft was on ability shown he would be top 10.
Mature age players are always taken later in the draft. Or taken in the rookie and other later drafts.

I did say the club are unlikely to take him but i would as we are in a premiership window now.
Just my opinion which is worth nothing really.

We have Ashcroft and a possibly some other good picks next year plus 1 now to keep the youth injection happening.

 

[RoyBoy17]

I don’t think Reid lacks competitiveness from what I’ve seen. His ruck work is quite good and his size and mobility could make him a very useful second ruck.

When it’s not particularly obvious who we should pick quality wise then a lot will come down to the attitude of the player. Always draft the guy with a genuine hunger to “win” flags, not just be happy to be on a list for a couple of years and see how it goes. That’s why draft combine results are a small but very important indicator. If you’re a potential top 30 pick and you’re testing poorly on endurance based tests then it’s a massive red flag.

Endurance issues are mainly down to the will and discipline of the player. That’s a hard thing to coach.

 

[SpecialBruce]

The idea of Freijah appeals to me. I can't remember if we've drafted a genuine winger before. Sharpie I think we picked on his endurance with a hope he develops into a winger. Maybe it's time we stopped trying to convert a mid or hb into a wingman and pick one. Wing is certainly an area we can improve on, and a position that's become really important in today's game. Definitely a future need.

Looking fwd to seeing what the club does. I'm sure they will surprise most, satisfy some and anger a few.

I am very confident we will be selecting Freijah today, either with our first pick, or our second.

 

[SpecialBruce]

If the draft was on ability shown he would be top 10.
Mature age players are always taken later in the draft. Or taken in the rookie and other later drafts.

I did say the club are unlikely to take him but i would as we are in a premiership window now.
Just my opinion which is worth nothing really.

We have Ashcroft and a possibly some other good picks next year plus 1 now to keep the youth injection happening.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of Mannagh, but not at our first two selections.

 

[M Malice]

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of Mannagh, but not at our first two selections.

We are likely to make 2 selections in the open draft and then upgrade Carter Michael with a late pick and we're done.

Not sure how many spots we have open for rookie and pre season drafts after those 3 moves though... briztoon ?

 

[briztoon]

We are likely to make 2 selections in the open draft and then upgrade Carter Michael with a late pick and we're done.

Not sure how many spots we have open for rookie and pre season drafts after those 3 moves though... briztoon ?

I’m not on top of our list spots.

As far as I’m aware, we’re taking two players in the National draft, upgrading Carter Michael from the rookie list as our third compulsory pick, and rumour is we’re taking Bruce Reville and Kyle Dunkley in the rookie draft.

I don’t know if upgrading Michael gives us a third rookie pick.

 

[briztoon]

lol, seeya Joel.

 

[Section 5]

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of Mannagh, but not at our first two selections.

I think we really only have two selections and i would use the later one on Mannagh presently 42.

I just feel you have to be lucky to get a reasonable pick at what is presently 42. It could be pushed out even further.

The Lions will be using their next pick being 89 at present for the Carter Michael upgrade.

I believe that is all the list spots we have available, although i could be mistaken on that part.
Mannagh can't go onto Cat B rookie list. players mentioned for those spots being Bruce Reville and Kyle Dunkley.

 

[dlanod]

I believe that is all the list spots we have available, although i could be mistaken on that part.

We have five, technically. You can tell because it's the number of picks we had at the start of the draft - AFL Draft - AFL.com.au.

However you can have +/- 2 spots between the senior list or the rookie list so the expectation is that we'll fill three tonight and then the other two are Cat A rookie spots.

 

[Bucking Beads]

KPD or a player that can help us immediately. Another small forward that can inject pace into our team or maybe even a small defender with pace

 

[Comeback Lions]

We have five, technically. You can tell because it's the number of picks we had at the start of the draft - AFL Draft - AFL.com.au.

However you can have +/- 2 spots between the senior list or the rookie list so the expectation is that we'll fill three tonight and then the other two are Cat A rookie spots.

Agreed. But that would take us to 43 players, which would leave one cat B rookie spot available, going off our own list thread.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

My winner of draft night round 1 beside the obvious clubs in the Suns and Kangaroos is the Giants, reached for the high upside Phoenix Gothard at 12 and then got a highly rated slider James Leake at 17.

They're only a winner if someone was going to draft Gothard right after their pick at 12. Otherwise they could have just got Leake at 12, Gothard at 18 and kept that future 2nd.

 

[dlanod]

They're only a winner if someone was going to draft Gothard right after their pick at 12. Otherwise they could have just got Leake at 12, Gothard at 18 and kept that future 2nd.

Apparently the telecast said NM was targeting a move up for Phoenix.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Yeah ‘key forward’ and ‘soft’ is a massive red flag.

The one attribute you really can’t train into a player.

Can't you? I thought part of the value of receiving professional coaching was the psychological and motivational development. I feel like that's at least possible to overcome, where the natural lack of attributes like speed or leap sometimes aren't possible to overcome.