List Mgmt. 2024 Father Son watch MKIII. Operation Ashcroft jnr. Featuring various academy boys.

[Jivlain]

 

[Tom14]

Pardon the intrusion - Brisbane have about a gazillion draft picks left, how many will you actually take tonight? Do you have any rookie upgrades?

1. Maybe 2 if we ditch people we are renominating in the rookie draft or don't pick up Sam Day.

 

[Tom14]

Probably not, but there still might be a few. Port traded away a pick in the 40s to move up for Berry, maybe they'd like to restore their position.

I think we'd do literally any deal possible. But not getting my hopes up.

 

[Section 5]

Per the CBA, it's top 20 and all earnings in your first three years are regulated.

So 1-20 get three years and can't sign an extension until Round 6. Pick 21+ get two years but can sign a contract for a third year whenever, and longer deals after that same Round 6 timeframe, but the payments for any extension covering the third year will still be as defined in the CBA (to avoid getting drafted later being a better deal because you can get a massive third year unlike the top 20 picks).

The 21+ don't need to wait till that round 6 but are on regulated payments in that 3rd year as you say.
Getting back to the posters original question. Yes, to only the top 20 get a 3-year deal.
The Fox article i referred to was wrong in stating "— Three-year contracts for players taken in the first round of the men’s draft."
Below from the CBA

(g) No First Year Player drafted at an National Draft Selection Meeting may extend their AFL Standard Playing Contract beyond the term of that Standard Playing Contract until the conclusion of round 6 of the AFL Premiership Season in the first year of that contract except that a First Year Player drafted at Pick 21+ at an National Draft Selection Meeting may be contracted for a third year on regulated payments at any time.
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Interesting article from the Melbourne Sports Law Association

How First Year Draftees Can Maximise their Earnings with the New AFL Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) — Melbourne Sports Law Association

The historic collective bargaining agreement (CBA) signed by the AFL and AFLW last year is bound to shape the trajectory of the sport moving forward. In this article, James Accadia breaks down all the newly-added incentives for first year draftees, and how these changes can impact their future cont

www.melbournesla.com

Contract Extensions

The New CBA imposes restrictions on extending the AFL Standard Playing Contract of a draftee until after round 6 in their first year.[41] An exception to this rule is granted to a first-year player drafted at pick 21 or later, who, on draft night, can extend their initial two-year contract to a three-year Standard AFL Playing Contract.[42]

Following Round 6, players like Reid have the opportunity to negotiate and extend their AFL Standard Playing Contract with their clubs to further maximise their earning capacity.

 

[JasRulz63]

If Daniel Annable is bid on at pick 5 and Raphael Geesu at 25(first round) next year does anyone know what sort of selections we would need to have to grab them both with the new matching criteria?

It would be an interesting little exercise as to what the difference would be to Ashcroft/Marshall at 5 & 25 this year and how difficult it would be for us to match the same bids next year.

The same picks we used to match the bids on 5 and 25 combined, only matches a bid for pick 11 next year.

 

[dlanod]

1. Maybe 2 if we ditch people we are renominating in the rookie draft or don't pick up Sam Day.

Pretty sure we're fully committed on taking back Joyce and Craven based off second hand comments at the draft night. Both are viewed as depth in areas of need.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I think North trade is backing in their system. Sometimes clubs just have to grow up and to be mature enough to take these risks. The Lions had some eyebrow raising trades and selections a few years ago but it's paid off. Some did some didn't. It's a risk sure but any future trading is a risk. They have their own ratings and probably had that Whitlock kid in top 15 on their draft board.

While what you're saying is true, it ignores that North had multiple picks in this range and traded them away. Two were for picks in 2023, which might be justified, but they traded this year's second round pick for Caleb Daniel, which was way too much. They've essentially traded their future first round pick for a future second and Daniel, and I think that's just valuing him too highly. It's an unforced error.

 

[dlanod]

Two were for picks in 2023, which might be justified

Weren't they the ones that NM could only trade? If they kept them, they got removed.

Edit: ah no, they were conditional. If NM traded them last year they could keep the proceeds, but if they kept them and improved the AFL had the option to remove them. I think trading them last year was a good call given that.

 

[Perrip]

Pretty sure we're fully committed on taking back Joyce and Craven based off second hand comments at the draft night. Both are viewed as depth in areas of need.

Yep. At this stage the only reason we'd draft 2 players tonight is if another club drafts Craven or Joyce, or, we're not getting Sam Day.

 

[M Malice]

The same picks we used to match the bids on 5 and 25 combined, only matches a bid for pick 11 next year.

Am I mistaken that we also need a pick in the round that the bid is made?

If so would that mean we would of had to have 2 first round picks to match last night under the new rules?

 

[T Rick]

Reading this it appears all players taken last night will get a 3-year deal.
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— Three-year contracts for players taken in the first round of the men’s draft.

Done deal! Historic $2.2b AFL CBA finally locked in… and mid-season trading looms large

Done deal! Historic $2.2b AFL CBA details revealed… and mid-season trading is ON

www.foxsports.com.au

Interesting because on the AFL broadcast last night, I thought Cal Twomey referenced "top 20 picks" on 3 year contracts as distinct from "first round picks".

 

[dlanod]

Am I mistaken that we also need a pick in the round that the bid is made?

If so would that mean we would of had to have 2 first round picks to match last night under the new rules?

You are indeed mistaken.

The AFL has adjusted the point values and the discount reduced. This does have the effective result that you need one or more picks a lot closer to the bid pick to generate the appropriate points, but there's not any rule requiring it - you can still bundle up a lot of later picks, but it becomes a lot more difficult. If we wanted to match pick 5 with third round picks, we'd need every pick from 37 to 43 to do so.

Edit: matching pick 2 would require every pick from 37 to 47.

 

[dlanod]

Interesting because on the AFL broadcast last night, I thought Cal Twomey referenced "top 20 picks" on 3 year contracts as distinct from "first round picks".

You'll see in follow-up posts that Fox was incorrect.

 

[McIvor]

Pretty sure we're fully committed on taking back Joyce and Craven based off second hand comments at the draft night. Both are viewed as depth in areas of need.

You'd imagine that if we did in the unlikely event use two picks tonight that the club has been informed that Craven (couldn't imagine it being Joyce) will either be selected in the draft proper or has agreed to join another club as a rookie with the Lions approval or we just aren't selecting Sam Day.

I also don't think as a club we would be that callous by committing to Joyce / Craven only to stiff them in such an underhanded way even if there was a player still remaining in the draft that the club rates really highly.

Either way, I don't see any of that occurring and expect us to just use the one pick to select, I hope, Ty Gallop.

It seems the AFL media and in turn quite a few punters on here just have it wrong on the belief that given we have a stack of picks available that we'll take more than one pick.

 

[M Malice]

You'd imagine that if we did in the unlikely event use two picks tonight that the club has been informed that Craven (couldn't imagine it being Joyce) will either be selected in the draft proper or has agreed to join another club as a rookie with the Lions approval or we just aren't selecting Sam Day.

I also don't think as a club we would be that callous by committing to Joyce / Craven only to stiff them in such an underhanded way even if there was a player still remaining in the draft that the club rates really highly.

Either way, I don't see any of that occurring and expect us to just use the one pick to select, I hope, Ty Gallop.

It seems the AFL media and in turn quite a few punters on here just have it wrong on the belief that given we have a stack of picks available that we'll take more than one pick.

We have not heard definitively that we want Sam Day so he would be the one to go if there was one to miss out IMO.

Doesn't mean the club hasn't given Day an assurance that we don't know about though.

 

[Perrip]

Does anyone have access to what they're saying about Brisbane in this article?

Herald Sun: Every club’s targets and potential pick swaps ahead of Thursday night

 

[Tom14]

Does anyone have access to what they're saying about Brisbane in this article?

Herald Sun: Every club’s targets and potential pick swaps ahead of Thursday night

BRISBANE​

Round 1 Picks: Levi Ashcroft (pick 5), Sam Marshall (pick 25) | Remaining Picks: 46, 47, 49, 56, 59, 66, 69, 95, 99​

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No, the Lions won’t be making nine selections on night two. They only have a maximum of four more list spots they can fill and are set to grab former Gold Coast Suns forward Sam Day as a pre-season draft selection. But could they package a couple of picks in the 40s to move up the board? Or move some more picks into next year?
Brisbane didn’t end up paying as heavily as it could have for father-son Levi Ashcroft (pick 5) and Academy star Sam Marshall (pick 25), who received slightly later bids than expected.
The Lions have been linked to talls including Charlie Nicholls and Floyd Burmeister with their later picks, along with small forward Rhys Unwin. Brisbane has also nominated several academy prospects, with 194cm key forward Ty Gallop in the mix to be taken as a Category B rookie.

 

[McIvor]

Brisbane has also nominated several academy prospects, with 194cm key forward Ty Gallop in the mix to be taken as a Category B rookie.

I just don't get where they get this from with Brain and Reville already occupying the two Cat B spots and furthermore that we already have a full compliment of rookies.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Marshall’s Portable Music Machine will be a grouse addition to our Gabba goal songs.

 

[Tom14]

I just don't get where they get this from with Brain and Reville already occupying the two Cat B spots and furthermore that we already have a full compliment of rookies.

Yep. Either we are taking Gallop or he probably has an overage year with us?

 

[Elixuh]

marshall just a quiet kid ? didnt look into it i thought , not totaly convinced he was wrapped to be a lion

 

[dlanod]

We have not heard definitively that we want Sam Day so he would be the one to go if there was one to miss out IMO.

Doesn't mean the club hasn't given Day an assurance that we don't know about though.

The impression I walked away from the draft night with was that Day is a fait accompli. The implication was that yep, one pick (unless someone steals Joyce or Craven, but that basically won't happen). At the beginning of the night it was Gallop because the expectation was that we wouldn't have much left over, now he's more penciled in given how we've got so much draft value left over and how the draft has played out.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

marshall just a quiet kid ? didnt look into it i thought , not totaly convinced he was wrapped to be a lion

Looked excited with his family when the Swans bid first dropped. The poor kid was left to stand there for a ridiculous amount of time until the bid was matched. The mood changed the longer the process went.

I’m content to believe we did our part correctly and that it was the AFL calculators that took an eternity to hit confirm button.

I felt sorry Sam at the time.

 

[blackers]

Any chance we'll take Tom Gillett tonight?

Had a good chat with his family during the curtain raiser to the 2003 GF, and I've been keeping an eye on him since. Looks like there are multiple ruck/forward options though

 

[Perrip]

Any chance we'll take Tom Gillett tonight?

He has been talked about in this thread previously as lacking a level of aggression that the club doesn't like off memory.

 

[dlanod]

Looked excited with his family when the Swans bid first dropped. The poor kid was left to stand there for a ridiculous amount of time until the bid was matched. The mood changed the longer the process went.

I’m content to believe we did our part correctly and that it was the AFL calculators that took an eternity to hit confirm button.

I felt sorry Sam at the time.

I was wondering if we were hitting the phones to see if anyone wanted to do a live trade given we could have matched it with any old trash at that point.