List Mgmt. 2024 Father Son watch MKIII. Operation Ashcroft jnr. Featuring various academy boys.

[Jivlain]

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

That's a reasonable thesis but I think you underestimate Adams' skills. He's getting better every game now that he has full fitness. He seems to play Hawkins allright and he's 198 but I'd agree anyone taller is probably an issue.

Harris just doesn't seem to play the really tall guys all that well over the last couple of years . Seems late to the contest or trying to get a leap into it but not quite getting there in time.

It's a good problem to have the 3 backmen we have of the quality they are. I'd love to play Payne for a few games to see what he's got but it's a tough decision isn't it.

I agree on Adams. His skills are superior to Payne in my view. Adams could turn into one of our better trades. Payne has development in him, but so does Adams given his injury history.

One of the gradual and pleasing developments in Dizzy's game is that he is now taking intercept marks and not defaulting to the spoil at every opportunity.

 

[KissKiss]

Personally, from a bid matching perspective, I’m happy for Ashcroft to be rated the 3rd or 4th best kid in the draft.

Not only would it be cheaper for us, I feel its good without the added pressure on the kid to be an instant star

 

[Mr Ripper]

If I wanted any of our backmen to defend for my life, I'd pick Darcy Gardiner

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Darcy Gardiner

Age

29

Ht

192cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.6

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.1

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

196.1

3star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

196.1

3star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.8

4star

.

 

[briztoon]

Not just you and it's interesting that you feel your viewpoints are unique to others. Most of the time it's confirmation bias. I'd also suggest that draft watchers like yourself have a bias towards playing younger players. The lure of potential and all that. I'll admit Darcy used to give away too many frees, but that has improved the last few years. Concedes 1 free kick per game, down from 1.5 in 2018. That's not too bad for a defender. Andrews and Adams average about the same. Payne isn't half the player currently that these three are.

It was very much tongue in cheek.

I know I’ve been vocal about Darcy for a couple of years. I know I’m not the only poster here who’s said as much, but I wasn’t about to tag the other poster I am most familiar who has a similar view, because he hasn’t commented himself yet, in the current discussion.

I don’t prefer younger players/draftees. I’d really like Darcy Moore, but that’s not going to happen.

I know Payne is not there yet, and he’s going to struggle to get there if he doesn’t get regular AFL football, but for team balance and defensive structure, I believe he would be a better option.

 

[dlanod]

If I wanted any of our backmen to defend for my life, I'd pick Darcy Gardiner.

I'd pay good money to see this TV show.

 

[martinson]

If I wanted any of our backmen to defend for my life, I'd pick Darcy Gardiner.

Answerth and Ah Chee aren't bad. Plus Starc has a really good desperate side.

 

[ManeMan]

I don't think the height of a defender is as important as some people think. Dane Rampe

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Dane Rampe

Age

34

Ht

187cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

2.5

4star

MG

358.8

5star

D

14.1

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

5.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

284.5

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.4

4star

has played as a key defender for years and he is 189cm. Steven May

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Steven May

Age

32

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

is 193cm and was AA last year as a key defender. Tom Jonas is 188cm. Nick Haynes

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Nick Haynes

Age

32

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

326.8

4star

D

17.4

4star

K

13.9

5star

HB

3.5

2star

M

8.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

MG

326.8

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

is 192cm.

 

[KissKiss]

I don't think the height of a defender is as important as some people think. Dane Rampe has played as a key defender for years and he is 189cm. Steven May is 193cm and was AA last year as a key defender. Tom Jonas is 188cm. Nick Haynes is 192cm.

Individually no, but I think its important as a mix. Port have a short defence and get absolutely exposed by some teams. Even May without support the other week had a bag kicked against him. Without Lever these to help intercept he got caught out.

As more and more 200cm+ forwards come in (King, King, McKay, etc) we need to make sure we can cover them. But yes not every defender needs to be 200cm+ either

 

[Sproj]

It certainly isn't a bad idea to have a rotational policy within reason of course. It is important to get games into the next gen for two reasons. 1. Make sure they keep developing. 2. In case of injury, you have more ready to go, match fit replacements.

 

[Pns_blister]

All semantics. Take this drivel onto another board.

 

[Nuggo]

Positioning to reduce a forwards run at the ball, blocking to help an intercept mark, calm under pressure. Lot of these things go unnoticed but the defensive unit rely upon greatly. The back unit seem to work better with Darcy in it. When he was out injured we as defensive unit didn't appear to work as well. If Payne played enough there perhaps the same effect could result.

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

On a side note, where the **** is the 2022 trade thread?

 

[briztoon]

On a side note, where the fu** is the 2022 trade thread?

Start your own.

 

[dlanod]

On a side note, where the fu** is the 2022 trade thread?

There's literally zero news, so what's the point.

 

[PMBangers]

There's literally zero news, so what's the point.

I can start random trade rumours if you wish?

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

There's literally zero news, so what's the point.

Maybe people can talk about who the club should trade for?

 

[mattsmob]

Maybe people can talk about who the club should trade for?

Christian Petracca

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

Christian Petracca

Whatever floats your boat.

 

[BRAB]

I can start random trade rumours if you wish?

I didn't realise you actually cared about football

 

[PMBangers]

I didn't realise you actually cared about football

I watch U18's exclusively so I can seagull my way to some attention once a year

 

[dlanod]

I can start random trade rumours if you wish?

Toby Greene for Blake Coleman?

 

[PMBangers]

Toby Greene for Blake Coleman?

hmmm
how about Bobby Hill and Toby Greene for Charlie Cameron and Blake Coleman?

 

[briztoon]

hmmm
how about Bobby Hill and Toby Greene for Charlie Cameron and Blake Coleman?

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

I can start random trade rumours if you wish?

My wish is your command.

 

[On the quiet]

People really overrate Payne. I don't see it - dizzy has some faults, but when he has had a clean injury run has been pretty good as the third banana. Plus, continuity matters a lot in a back 6.

IMO Payne has upside and that is why a strong club like the Dogs enquired about him after the Prelim in 2020, and in 2021 Lions offered him a contract for a further few years ,so those that really should know, obviously see something in him. I do also, as he is still relatively young and has not had a decent crack at it due to ongoing injuries.
FWIW, I believe Andrews, Adams and Gardner are ahead of him, and I suppose if he can't get some regular exposure at AFL (don't think he will this year) then he might not progress as hoped or he leaves (or traded) to explore opportunities. He probably is not the only fringe player on our list in that situation.