List Mgmt. 2024 Father Son watch MKIII. Operation Ashcroft jnr. Featuring various academy boys.

[Jivlain]

 

[Elixuh]

In regards to your last point, that they would be doing things different if they were in the same position as us, I don’t believe so.

They’re playing kids who are better than most top ups.

This also helps the development of their listed players, as they over all quality through the team is higher.

And it helps the development of their top academy kids, as they’re playing at a higher level, training with the senior team, learning the teams systems, which all helps their individual development.

Can you do a list academy graduates drafted to the lions and suns since 2010 (so don’t include academy players drafted to other clubs)?

 

[Perrip]

Latest AFL.com.au article on the draft says recruiters don't reckon a F/S [Levi] will be chosen as the #1 Pick, but he will be up there in the top few players.

Josh Smillie, Finn O'Sullivan, Jagga Smith, Harvey Langford, Sid Draper, Murphy Reid, Luke Trainor, Levi Ashcroft and Sam Lalor are all in the group put forward by scouts as being contenders for perhaps the widest ever race for the top pick.
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Ashcroft is as credentialed as any other player in the pool across his junior career but a father-son prospect has never been bid on at No.1 and recruiters don't think that will happen this year either.

 

[KissKiss]

That's probably a massive win for us if he goes closer to 5 than 1

 

[Miller1971]

We've also got Reville and Arnold onto AFL lists by persisting with them in the VFL

Fletcher has been fine not playing VFL as an under-ager

Fletcher would have played VFL, but post Allies he was injured for his entire top age campaign

 

[Nathan Barley]

Fletcher would have played VFL, but post Allies he was injured for his entire top age campaign

Yep and he played in a grand final in his first season so I don't think missing out on VFL cost him too much in his development

 

[OnLooker1932]

Don't disagree with your overall point (I don't know enough about how the academies work to do so), but Billy Richardson also fits into this category of undrafted current 18 year olds with late birthdays.

I'm not questioning the selection of Richardson, I think there should be more of him playing and some younger ones too

We've also got Reville and Arnold onto AFL lists by persisting with them in the VFL

Yep, both young QLDers who were persisted with Arnold is Suns Academy though. Reville you'd probably have to thank his QAFL club more than the VFL program.

We have quite a few players currently on our list who spent time developing in our Academy in Eric Hipwood, Harris Andrews, Keidean Coleman, Jack Payne, Shadeau Brain, Bruce Reville, Carter Michael.

There are also a few currently on other AFL lists, off the top of my head Tom Fullarton, Noah Cumberland, Samson Ryan, Ben Keays, Patrick Snell, Mabior Chol.. I am sure there are a few more I can not recall.

Reasonably highly rated Sam Marshall, Daniel Annable and Raphael Geesu to come.
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Not too bad, in fact pretty darn good record from my uneducated assessment.

Marshall has been academy linked but never really in it, has been at boarding school in Mebourne since 2021.


Its debateable on a few of the above names how much you can credit the academy, but I won't go down that rabbit hole!

 

[Nathan Barley]

I'm not questioning the selection of Richardson, I think there should be more of him playing and some younger ones too



Yep, both young QLDers who were persisted with Arnold is Suns Academy though. Reville you'd probably have to thank his QAFL club more than the VFL program.




Marshall has been academy linked but never really in it, has been at boarding school in Mebourne since 2021.


Its debateable on a few of the above names how much you can credit the academy, but I won't go down that rabbit hole!

And I'm sure all the Suns gun recruits are solely credited to the academy. Not like any of them moved to Queensland at 9 with an aussie rules background and a family that followed Aussie rules

 

[MSB ROYS]

And I'm sure all the Suns gun recruits are solely credited to the academy. Not like any of them moved to Queensland at 9 with an aussie rules background and a family that followed Aussie rules

The Browns?

 

[Nathan Barley]

The Browns?

Jed Walter

 

[briztoon]

And I'm sure all the Suns gun recruits are solely credited to the academy. Not like any of them moved to Queensland at 9 with an aussie rules background and a family that followed Aussie rules

That’s literally almost every kid that’s made it to AFL level through our academy, with the exception of Ballenden and Payne last time I looked.

Andrews, Hipwood, Keys all from Vic. Fletcher from an AFL family. Coleman from the NT but from an AFL family.

 

[Nathan Barley]

That’s literally almost every kid that’s made it to AFL level through our academy, with the exception of Ballenden and Payne last time I looked.

Andrews, Hipwood, Keys all from Vic. Fletcher from an AFL family. Coleman from the NT but from an AFL family.

Yep that's my point

 

[Crusha]

Another of our "allies" Academy guys from last weekend:

Ryan Gilder #23 Sherwood Magpies - here's one kid who we wouldn't need to work on his physicality




(Could he become our "Maynard" ...... slightly more likeable version though)

 

[briztoon]

Can you do a list academy graduates drafted to the lions and suns since 2010 (so don’t include academy players drafted to other clubs)?

No. Feel free if you need to.

 

[BRAB]

No. Feel free if you need to.

Come on Briztoon. You’re supposed to be our draft watcher. The old Briztoon would have done this.

 

[Nunez]

Come on Briztoon. You’re supposed to be our draft watcher. The old Briztoon would have done this.

Briztoon has fast become a poor mans BRAB

 

[briztoon]

Come on Briztoon. You’re supposed to be our draft watcher. The old Briztoon would have done this.

Current briztoon has a shed load of other stuff on atm.

 

[Nunez]

Current briztoon has a shed load of other stuff on atm.

Fair enough man. We are willing to meet you half way. Please list kids from 2015 onwards only.

 

[BRAB]

Briztoon has fast become a poor mans BRAB

Let’s not go too far. Our boy Briztoon still offers plenty to this community unlike myself

 

[Nunez]

Let’s not go too far. Our boy Briztoon still offers plenty to this community unlike myself

What you lack in quality you make up for in quantity

 

[Gabba Gate 33]

Another of our "allies" Academy guys from last weekend:

Ryan Gilder #23 Sherwood Magpies - here's one kid who we wouldn't need to work on his physicality




(Could he become our "Maynard" ...... slightly more likeable version though)

Can honestly say Ryan Gilder is as hard as nails. Boxes and trains harder than anyone I know. He would run through brick walls for his mates. He not only is a contested beast but his elite closing speed is exceptional.

Great kid also, he often stays back and helps out with the younger groups at Sherwood. Runs water for his old teams and is as humble as they come.

 

[Elixuh]

No. Feel free if you need to.

 

[KissKiss]

Official AFL Website of the Brisbane Lions Football Club

The official AFL website of the Brisbane Lions Football Club

www.lions.com.au

Actually we seem to keep a decent list including all the ones that have gone to other clubs. And have managed to have at least one male graduate to the AFL every year except 2021. The female academy is even stronger from what I can see

 

[KissKiss]

And for contrast here is the Suns list.

Official AFL Website of the Gold Coast SUNS

The official AFL website of the Gold Coast SUNS Football Club

www.goldcoastfc.com.au

Makes it 31 males from our club and only about 23 from the Suns (I could have got a few gender neutral names wrong in that count).

Overall our academy seems to be generating more talent so far than the suns that go to both our club and others. The suns seem to be getting more guys that go higher in the draft but I think we could argue ours have gone on the be better players so far.

 

[irel]

Thanks KissKiss
The Lions Academy has been receiving some negative posting here from a few posters.
Why is that? Sure nothing is ever perfect and improvements can always be made but evidence shows the criticism is perhaps misguided.

Evidence shows that we have done an exceptional job of developing and having academy kids drafted, not only by our club, but AFL wide. Long may it continue.

Edit: What is also noticable other clubs do not draft directly from the Suns Academy unless they are identified as high end picks.

 

[KissKiss]

Thanks KissKiss
The Lions Academy has been receiving some negative posting here from a few posters.
Why is that? Sure nothing is ever perfect and improvements can always be made but evidence shows the criticism is perhaps misguided.

Evidence shows that we have done an exceptional job of developing and having academy kids drafted, not only by our club, but AFL wide. Long may it continue.

Edit: What is also noticable other clubs do not draft directly from the Suns Academy unless they are identified as high end picks.

Im totally looking in from the outside without being close to the academy process at all. So really hard to comment on anything but by the pure numbers we actually seem to be achieving some of the main goals the AFL/club want. Generating more local players for the club and adding to the overall pool of players.

The other main goal would probably be getting more players following the sport and staying involved at the local levels in QLD. I cant really judge that from Melbourne.

I have seen a lot of complaints from people there abouts the system that we arent bringing the right kids in and not doing enough with others. I cant judge if thats real or just aggrieved parents/coaches who dont agree with the current leadership. BUT I have heard the exact same complaints from every single development pathway for every single sport I have seen. I see those exact complaints at my local low level soccer club across the road - apparently every team has the wrong kids in the wrong position and not getting enough game time