2024 Ladder Predictions

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Ours was worse than Geelongs both in terms of total games missed and total games missed to best 22 in August. Not sure if there was an updated injury ladder post season. But yes I agree, neither will be bottom 4.
I actually did the full analysis using Richmond alongside Geelong as a team I expected to have a lot of injuries (then I did the same for the two grand finalists, and Geelong 2022).

Richmond had a whopping 10 week run of 5-8 best 22 out between round 3-12.

Geelong did make another late injury charge and had 104 games missed compared to 100 for Richmond - however you had to look deeper than that to get to the juicy stuff.

Where Geelong suffered more were in-game injuries, totaling twice as many. Multiple in-game injuries, on top of a hefty list heading in, is a recipe for disaster.

When you combined pre-game plus in-game injury totals in a given week, Richmond reached 6 or more on 7 occassions; for Geelong it happened 11 times. And 6 or more was where there was a big correlation in losing percentage, a critical mass if you will (Geelong won 67% of games with 5 injuries or less but just 27% when they had 6 or more; for Richmond it was 50% and 27% respectively).

Of course either side could drop off for other reasons. My prediction of both doing better than expected is based on form at least upholding and the injuries undertaking some mean reversion.
 
Id have Gibcus, Tylar Young, Ross, Cumberland, Banks, Kosi and one of Ryan/Bauer as locks with 3 spots up for grabs out of Pickett, McIntosh, Graham, Dow, Grimes, Rioli Jr plus the kids.

There's no glaring weakness. I repeat, we will not be bottom 4 (barring an injury crisis).
I'll reiterate what I said before that none of these guys listed are close to building consistency at the top level. They will be hot and cold, and it's tough to bank wins when so many of your players are like that. That in itself is a huge glaring weakness.
 
I actually did the full analysis using Richmond alongside Geelong as a team I expected to have a lot of injuries (then I did the same for the two grand finalists, and Geelong 2022).

Richmond had a whopping 10 week run of 5-8 best 22 out between round 3-12.

Geelong did make another late injury charge and had 104 games missed compared to 100 for Richmond - however you had to look deeper than that to get to the juicy stuff.

Where Geelong suffered more were in-game injuries, totaling twice as many. Multiple in-game injuries, on top of a hefty list heading in, is a recipe for disaster.

When you combined pre-game plus in-game injury totals in a given week, Richmond reached 6 or more on 7 occassions; for Geelong it happened 11 times. And 6 or more was where there was a big correlation in losing percentage, a critical mass if you will (Geelong won 67% of games with 5 injuries or less but just 27% when they had 6 or more; for Richmond it was 50% and 27% respectively).

Of course either side could drop off for other reasons. My prediction of both doing better than expected is based on form at least upholding and the injuries undertaking some mean reversion.
Well put! Both sides had major injury concerns and could very easily bounce back.
 

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I actually did the full analysis using Richmond alongside Geelong as a team I expected to have a lot of injuries (then I did the same for the two grand finalists, and Geelong 2022).

Richmond had a whopping 10 week run of 5-8 best 22 out between round 3-12.

Geelong did make another late injury charge and had 104 games missed compared to 100 for Richmond - however you had to look deeper than that to get to the juicy stuff.

Where Geelong suffered more were in-game injuries, totaling twice as many. Multiple in-game injuries, on top of a hefty list heading in, is a recipe for disaster.

When you combined pre-game plus in-game injury totals in a given week, Richmond reached 6 or more on 7 occassions; for Geelong it happened 11 times. And 6 or more was where there was a big correlation in losing percentage, a critical mass if you will (Geelong won 67% of games with 5 injuries or less but just 27% when they had 6 or more; for Richmond it was 50% and 27% respectively).

Of course either side could drop off for other reasons. My prediction of both doing better than expected is based on form at least upholding and the injuries undertaking some mean reversion.
Are you including the infamous Geelong 'late out' in these stats?
 
Had similar thinking in throwing together mine. Quite a few teams could go either way in 2024(looking at you, Melbourne) with queries on the coach, the list, their off-field, and a lot of teams fail to back it up after top 4 finishes.



1. Carlton
2. GWS
3. Sydney
4. Gold Coast
5. Collingwood
6. Brisbane
7. Port Adelaide
8. Geelong
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9. Fremantle
10. Essendon
11. Hawthorn
12. Adelaide
13. Melbourne
14. Western Bulldogs
15. St Kilda
16. Richmond
17. West Coast
18. North
Your annual predictable prediction of overrating Hawks & underrating the Crows...
 
Well put! Both sides had major injury concerns and could very easily bounce back.
Big difference though is performance of their best players. The respective B&Fs tell massively contrasting stories.

In Richmond's the top 8 were well clear of the rest (Prestia received 42 votes in 8th. 9th place had 30 votes). The top 8 were Taranto, Martin, Bolton, Vlastuin, Rioli, Baker, Balta and Prestia. That looks like a team whose best players for the most part had good seasons. I would've assumed they had made finals and probably pushed for top 4 based on that.

Compare that to Geelong where 4 players cleared out from the rest (Cameron in 5th with 69 votes was closer to 10th placed Smith with 57 votes than 4th place Z Guthrie with 87 votes).

They were Stewart, Atkins, Miers and Zach Guthrie. A season where Atkins, Miers and Zach Guthrie finish far ahead of all of Cameron, C Guthrie, Hawkins, Dangerfield, Blicavs, J Henry, Stengle, Duncan, SDK, Smith, etc is a year where a shitload of stuff has gone wrong.
 
Your annual predictable prediction of overrating Hawks & underrating the Crows...
I had us for spoon last year.

You crows should try not to get so salty over a prediction.
 
I had us for spoon last year.

You crows should try not to get so salty over a prediction.
Lol, you had us hardly winning a game in the 1st half of last season & Nicks likely to be sacked. You only posted it about 100 times for all to see.

I'm not salty as your ridiculous assessments of the Crows can't be taken seriously...
 
Lol, you had us hardly winning a game in the 1st half of last season & Nicks likely to be sacked. You only posted it about 100 times for all to see.

I'm not salty as your ridiculous assessments of the Crows can't be taken seriously...
Yet here you are sooking once again about a prediction… that you don’t care about or take seriously.

If you can’t handle predictions get out of the thread.
 
Yet here you are sooking once again about a prediction… that you don’t care about or take seriously.

If you can’t handle predictions get out of the thread.
Lol, this is discussion forum & if you can't handle feedback on your posts, perhaps you should not post. ;)

Time will tell once again which of our predictions is more accurate again.

Have a nice night...
 
Lol, this is discussion forum & if you can't handle feedback on your posts, perhaps you should not post. ;)

Time will tell once again which of our predictions is more accurate again.

Have a nice night...
“Feedback on your posts”. 😂

You’re not fooling anyone, you were having a sook that I hadn’t put the Crows in the 8.
 

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Pigs might fly!
We ain’t finishing last.
Never heard such tosh.
I think I had Freo fairly low on my ladder but more out of laziness, it is too difficult to predict who the sliders to bottom 6 will be (this is why I'm not surprised at people throwing Geelong and Richmond down there).

In reality a return to finals is more likely than bottom spot for the Dockers. But it doesn't take much stagnation to end up around 10-11 wins and that no man's land of 12th.
 
Freo, Gold Coast and Richmond are just as likely to make the 8 as finishing bottom couple.

They are all in quite strange stages



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Yes to Fremantle and Richmond as they're quite the unknowns right now. I'd add Essendon, Bulldogs, and St Kilda to that as well.

However, I'll be astonished if Gold Coast finish anywhere near the bottom. Even with their talent being young, they should at least push for the top 8 if not make it. Anything lower than 10th would be disappointing IMO
 
I think I had Freo fairly low on my ladder but more out of laziness, it is too difficult to predict who the sliders to bottom 6 will be (this is why I'm not surprised at people throwing Geelong and Richmond down there).

In reality a return to finals is more likely than bottom spot for the Dockers. But it doesn't take much stagnation to end up around 10-11 wins and that no man's land of 12th.
We can have another mare but to finish btm your looking at a 2-3 win season
Something the dockers have achieved once in our history
 
Yes to Fremantle and Richmond as they're quite the unknowns right now. I'd add Essendon, Bulldogs, and St Kilda to that as well.

However, I'll be astonished if Gold Coast finish anywhere near the bottom. Even with their talent being young, they should at least push for the top 8 if not make it. Anything lower than 10th would be disappointing IMO
Just going by the fact that they're Gold Coast and have proven nothing ever

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