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[TENACIOUS]

To be a serious threat in the Cripps era.. Think we urgently need a

KPD - To team with Weitering (Young and Durdin) aren’t the answer.. Maybe it could be Lemmey… (McGovern, Kemp, Marchbank) are all interceptors and not KPP..

MID - X-Factor mid with pace and foot skills.. need some difference (Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy) and (Walsh, Cerra) are all the same types..

FWD - X-Factor smart small forward to team with Motlop… (Owies, Durdin, Fantasia) aren’t it

 

[big_sav]

Serious question. What would it take to get shai bolton

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Shai Bolton

Age

25

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

to the blues? He would be perfect for what we need. I know some are not fans but he is the icing we are missing


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[WalshistheGOAT]

Serious question. What would it take to get shai bolton to the blues? He would be perfect for what we need. I know some are not fans but he is the icing we are missing


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A lot.

I agree though

 

[BIuebagger]

Would love to have Ben Ainsworth

9

Ben Ainsworth

Age

26

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

6.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

12.8

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.3

3star

CL

0.3

2star

D

13.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

0.8

3star

. That would be the type of player I would be pretty happy to see us spend money on. We need to really target a quality half forward and small forward imo.
Think that 2nd KPD to Weiters is also a need.

 

[ESKIE]

Liam baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

is a free agent. I’m sure it’s already been mentioned in here.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

To be a serious threat in the Cripps era.. Think we urgently need a

KPD - To team with Weitering (Young and Durdin) aren’t the answer.. Maybe it could be Lemmey… (McGovern, Kemp, Marchbank) are all interceptors and not KPP..

MID - X-Factor mid with pace and foot skills.. need some difference (Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy) and (Walsh, Cerra) are all the same types..

FWD - X-Factor smart small forward to team with Motlop… (Owies, Durdin, Fantasia) aren’t it

SDK, Serong, Bolton should just about do it…… make it happen…..

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Liam baker is a free agent. I’m sure it’s already been mentioned in here.

Would be a good get

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Liam baker is a free agent. I’m sure it’s already been mentioned in here.

Looks like he’ll get back to WA which is unfortunate. I’m sure we would at least ask the question.

He could make our forward half that much more dangerous and fluid.

 

[ESKIE]

Looks like he’ll get back to WA which is unfortunate. I’m sure we would at least ask the question.

He could make our forward half that much more dangerous and fluid.

Just the type we need…

 

[DangerousD]

I have mixed feelings over the Camporeale twins. Both are quality prospects, but likely bring more of the same. Solid skills, decent pace, but not elite. They are good players and I would hate to pass them up, but we need to upgrade our pace and skills. If they use up our first two picks, we are relying on the current game plan for a bit longer.

Good post but I wanted to get more detail on this piece, when you talk of these two having decent pace, what do you mean?

I look at our mids and a lot of our side and don’t see much pace, but if the twins are both faster than Kennedy, Hewett, Cripps, or any other players, wouldn’t that be an improvement pace wise?

I could only imagine how good Cripps, Kennedy or Hewett would be if they had an extra yard of pace.

I guess my point being, that the difference between fast and Cripps/Kennedy/Hewett is quite small and the addition of two players who have pace but aren’t super quick, is s still a big improvement.

 

[M_I_G]

Would love to have Ben Ainsworth. That would be the type of player I would be pretty happy to see us spend money on. We need to really target a quality half forward and small forward imo.
Think that 2nd KPD to Weiters is also a need.

Free agent end of this year, didn’t they shop him round a couple of years back? Is he that much better a small fwd?

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I think Cam Rayner would be high on my wishlist. Now starting to look like he really belongs. Plays forward and midfield. Currently a pre agent.

Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

is also up there. I have faith our backline will sort itself and we need to draft a key back but I’m actually excited by the development in Lemmey. So having someone like Baker would be really ideal for our forward half. He maybe settled in Melbourne and may want to stay in Victoria rather than to his home state, and Richmond may want to cash in and get a top 5 pick via free agency for him. I’d definitely be chasing Baker hard.

But if Motlop can go up another notch when he returns (hopefully soon) I see our forward line looking that much more dangerous along with the injury plagued Martin

 

[btdg]

To be a serious threat in the Cripps era.. Think we urgently need a

KPD - To team with Weitering (Young and Durdin) aren’t the answer.. Maybe it could be Lemmey… (McGovern, Kemp, Marchbank) are all interceptors and not KPP..

MID - X-Factor mid with pace and foot skills.. need some difference (Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy) and (Walsh, Cerra) are all the same types..

FWD - X-Factor smart small forward to team with Motlop… (Owies, Durdin, Fantasia) aren’t it

Serious question - I put this in the preview thread as well for this week, but why don't we try TDK as our key defender? He's got the pedigree (his brother is ripping it up in that role) and it's a well trodden path from 'promising but underperforming' KPF/ruck to key defender. He's 201cm and that's becoming increasingly common too - obviously SDK is roughly the same height (actually listed 202cm), but Harris Andrews (202cm), Darcy Moore (203cm) and even Alex Pearce (197cm) and Jordan Butts (198cm) have shown that a really tall key defender is useful. Marchbank, Kemp and McGovern are all 193cm or smaller...

On the mid and forwards: I guess the issue is that no team has everything. We have two amazing key forwards, a bunch of really good midfielders, some really good veteran defenders... sometimes the key is to build around your strengths, not constantly chase your weaknesses. X factor mids with pace and footskills = very expensive to trade for (if you can get them). X factor small forwards = really hard to find, because X factor can often mean inconsistent...

We might luck into the small forward if we take a punt on a Stengle equivalent... we aren't getting the midfielder without giving up a heap, and we can't guarantee drafting either... so it really falls on the coaching staff to build around what we DO have (and the recruitment team to find complementary pieces, not chase the weaknesses). I actually think we've done ok at that... give or take a few players we can't get on the park and the constraints that provides...

 

[Beyond Blue]

I think Cam Rayner would be high on my wishlist. Now starting to look like he really belongs. Plays forward and midfield. Currently a pre agent.

Liam Baker is also up there. I have faith our backline will sort itself and we need to draft a key back but I’m actually excited by the development in Lemmey. So having someone like Baker would be really ideal for our forward half. He maybe settled in Melbourne and may want to stay in Victoria rather than to his home state, and Richmond may want to cash in and get a top 5 pick via free agency for him. I’d definitely be chasing Baker hard.

But if Motlop can go up another notch when he returns (hopefully soon) I see our forward line looking that much more dangerous along with the injury plagued Martin

Agree re Rayner but if he plays like he did on Thursday night then his cost will be out of this (and our) world.

If Baker leaves Richmond it’ll be to go to West Coast or Freo.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Just had a quick look. There are a few decent OOC players

George (Nth), Stengel (FA) Cats), Busslinger (Dogs), Haywood (FA) Swans), Smith (Dogs), Moyle (Suns)

Out of Favour
Yeo (WC), Macrae (Dogs)

 

[Beyond Blue]

Serious question - I put this in the preview thread as well for this week, but why don't we try TDK as our key defender? He's got the pedigree (his brother is ripping it up in that role) and it's a well trodden path from 'promising but underperforming' KPF/ruck to key defender. He's 201cm and that's becoming increasingly common too - obviously SDK is roughly the same height (actually listed 202cm), but Harris Andrews (202cm), Darcy Moore (203cm) and even Alex Pearce (197cm) and Jordan Butts (198cm) have shown that a really tall key defender is useful. Marchbank, Kemp and McGovern are all 193cm or smaller...

On the mid and forwards: I guess the issue is that no team has everything. We have two amazing key forwards, a bunch of really good midfielders, some really good veteran defenders... sometimes the key is to build around your strengths, not constantly chase your weaknesses. X factor mids with pace and footskills = very expensive to trade for (if you can get them). X factor small forwards = really hard to find, because X factor can often mean inconsistent...

We might luck into the small forward if we take a punt on a Stengle equivalent... we aren't getting the midfielder without giving up a heap, and we can't guarantee drafting either... so it really falls on the coaching staff to build around what we DO have (and the recruitment team to find complementary pieces, not chase the weaknesses). I actually think we've done ok at that... give or take a few players we can't get on the park and the constraints that provides...

Tom is not his brother just as David was no Stephen Kernahan. He couldn’t possibly play as a key defender IMO as he isn’t mobile enough.

If we are going to have a punt on wayward elite talent at a discount then why not Tarryn Thomas? If “Carlton Respects” is actually something more than virtue signalling then surely we could put him in a program to actually make him a better human…I’m not sure why Geelong should be the only club able to pick him up.

 

[DangerousD]

Would love to have Ben Ainsworth. That would be the type of player I would be pretty happy to see us spend money on. We need to really target a quality half forward and small forward imo.
Think that 2nd KPD to Weiters is also a need.

He’s a free agent so you’d expect no trade required.

But here’s the thing, at the end of last season there was a player who averaged more possessions per game, more goals per game, who grew up a Blues fan and who’s brother is NGA eligible for us next season and we wouldn’t/couldn’t meet the cost.

With our struggles in this area it seems a missed opportunity

 

[DangerousD]

With our struggles with our small forwards, is there anyone thinking we should have made more of an effort with Gresham?

It was a hot topic at the time and if I remember correctly, most were happy we didn’t go down that road.

Looking back it looks like an opportunity missed, this player grew up a Blues fan, his brother is draft eligible for us next year, averages 18 touches a game and a goal per game.

It looks exactly like, what we are missing.

 

[carlton_99]

With our struggles with our small forwards, is there anyone thinking we should have made more of an effort with Gresham?

Not for 700k per/year imo - way too rich for my blood

 

[Doro]

With our struggles with our small forwards, is there anyone thinking we should have made more of an effort with Gresham?

It was a hot topic at the time and if I remember correctly, most were happy we didn’t go down that road.

Looking back it looks like an opportunity missed, this player grew up a Blues fan, his brother is draft eligible for us next year, averages 18 touches a game and a goal per game.

It looks exactly like, what we are missing.

I think Motlop develops into everything that Gresham brings. With 3 small forwards already on the list, getting another would have been an extravagant way to use any spare cap space.

 

[DangerousD]

I think Motlop develops into everything that Gresham brings. With 3 small forwards already on the list, getting another would have been an extravagant way to use any spare cap space.

The only thing i have to add to this is, is Gresham a small forward though? He’s more of a mid/half forward, 18 touches per game and a goal per game, he’s kind of the player we hoped Cuningham would become, he can chop out in the middle and gets a goal per game.

I think Motlop is our number one small, but that’s where i see him, as a small forward, competing with Owies and Durdin, i dont think Gresham is competing with those guys.

 

[Doro]

The only thing i have to add to this is, is Gresham a small forward though? He’s more of a mid/half forward, 18 touches per game and a goal per game, he’s kind of the player we hoped Cuningham would become, he can chop out in the middle and gets a goal per game.

I think Motlop is our number one small, but that’s where i see him, as a small forward, competing with Owies and Durdin, i dont think Gresham is competing with those guys.

He's 177 , doesn't play taller, so yes small mid/forward. You could probably say he's a better mark than any of our 3 though. We used a couple of earlier picks on Motlop and Durdin, need to see how they pan out now. I'd hope we have our eyes on a strong marking mid forward though.

 

[BlueJet]

To put things into perspective of just how diabolical our small forwards are... Nic Newman has 4 more goal assists than Matt Owies, Matt Cottrell, Corey Durdin and David Cuningham this season... COMBINED.

Kicking to 2 of the in form KPF's in the comp, there is simply no excuse for being that poor.

Tbh that makes sense to me, the majority of ball going inside f50 is a long kick to the two primary targets.
Inside 50s per game:
Newman 3
Owies 1
Durdin 0.5
Cotters 2.4
Fantasia 1.6

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Tbh that makes sense to me, the majority of ball going inside f50 is a long kick to the two primary targets.
Inside 50s per game:
Newman 3
Owies 1
Durdin 0.5
Cotters 2.4
Fantasia 1.6

But then as you dig deeper you realise the crux of our issue.

Our small forwards can't get their hands on the ball to kick it inside 50 and half of them do bugger all when they finally get the opportunity to.

In comparison:

Gryan Miers - 4.8 (1.6 GA's)
Brad Close - 3.8 (1.0 GA's)
Tyson Stengle - 3.4 (1.2 GA's)
Oliver Henry - 2.0 (1.4 GA's)

Toby Greene - 4.8 (1.8 GA's)
Brent Daniels - 4.0 (1.4 GA's)
Xavier O'Halloran - 3.2 (1.0 GA's)
Harvey Thomas 1.4 (1.2 GA's)

Zac Bailey - 4.8 (0.8 GA's)
Cam Rayner 3.8 (0.8 GA's)
Lincoln McCarthy - 3.0 (1.0 GA's)
Charlie Cameron 2.6 (0.6 GA's)


Fogarty is our only small forward with comparable numbers to any good small around the league, but as we know... He's not much of a goal kicker. Been a big advocate for Fog since he returned to the side last year but we need far higher quality around him. He's the scrapyard dog pressuring and forcing turnovers... Issue is the rest of them aren't doing anywhere near enough.

 

[BolshyAust]

Serious question - I put this in the preview thread as well for this week, but why don't we try TDK as our key defender? He's got the pedigree (his brother is ripping it up in that role) and it's a well trodden path from 'promising but underperforming' KPF/ruck to key defender. He's 201cm and that's becoming increasingly common too - obviously SDK is roughly the same height (actually listed 202cm), but Harris Andrews (202cm), Darcy Moore (203cm) and even Alex Pearce (197cm) and Jordan Butts (198cm) have shown that a really tall key defender is useful. Marchbank, Kemp and McGovern are all 193cm or smaller...

On the mid and forwards: I guess the issue is that no team has everything. We have two amazing key forwards, a bunch of really good midfielders, some really good veteran defenders... sometimes the key is to build around your strengths, not constantly chase your weaknesses. X factor mids with pace and footskills = very expensive to trade for (if you can get them). X factor small forwards = really hard to find, because X factor can often mean inconsistent...

We might luck into the small forward if we take a punt on a Stengle equivalent... we aren't getting the midfielder without giving up a heap, and we can't guarantee drafting either... so it really falls on the coaching staff to build around what we DO have (and the recruitment team to find complementary pieces, not chase the weaknesses). I actually think we've done ok at that... give or take a few players we can't get on the park and the constraints that provides...

SDK can mark above his head