List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Tom14]

Currency. If Allen wants to come and Starce signs, it's unlikely we'll have adequate currency for Allen. If both want to move, I could see Starce + future first getting it done.

I'd think that pick 2 could be appealing to them as FA compo.

 

[Dalions]

I'd think that pick 2 could be appealing to them as FA compo.

Especially after giving away pick 3 in a strong draft this year.

 

[Tom14]

Especially after giving away pick 3 in a strong draft this year.

They could trade pick 2 for two later picks and take WA players that will play 40 below average games then be quietly delisted.

 

[Dalions]

They could trade pick 2 for two later picks and take WA players that will play 40 below average games then be quietly delisted.

I would be happy with this!

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

But he's a Restricted Free Agent, so they can match if they want to keep him. And their plan seems to be getting (and keeping) good veterans in to ensure Harley Reid doesn't decide to leave, which is the only logic I can attribute to them trading out of pick 3 in order to get Liam Baker. So I think they'd actually prefer to match him than get pick 2 next year. And they probably won't finish last anyway because Richmond will be worse.

Just playing this scenario out.

If it actually gets to us officially lodging a Free Agent request for Allen, it’s doesn’t come down to what West Coast would prefer out of keeping Allen and top 5 pick, at this point Allen is out the door, with the contract value not being an issue. The equation for West Coast becomes if they can force more draft value by matching. Given our likely finishing positions, the unlikely nature of shaking an unknown player free late, a top 5 pick would close to the best they could achieve. The same could be said of he chooses Geelong or Sydney.

The smart play for both teams in these positions, would be to generate the high value asset via Free Agency, strike up a side deal where we downgrade our first for points / throw in any players they’ve had interested in for cheap. They effectively walk away with a top 5 pick and late first rounder, which would be about market rate for an uncontracted player.

I personally don’t see Allen moving just yet, and agree he’d be one of the last players they want to lose besides Harley.

 

[briztoon]

Especially after giving away pick 3 in a strong draft this year.

It’s a deep draft. It’s not particularly strong at the top end.

 

[briztoon]

If Starcevich was going to West Coast as a free agent, that would downgrade any compensation West Coast would receive if Allen was to leave.

We’d be better off trading Starcevich to West Coast for a token/lesser pick, so West Coast get full compensation for Allen, instead of them matching and forcing a trade.

 

[Nunez]

I'd think that pick 2 could be appealing to them as FA compo.

I mean sure, if they finish last. I guess I am expecting them to improve next year.

 

[Saucery]

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[Johnny Bananas]

If it actually gets to us officially lodging a Free Agent request for Allen, it’s doesn’t come down to what West Coast would prefer out of keeping Allen and top 5 pick, at this point Allen is out the door, with the contract value not being an issue. The equation for West Coast becomes if they can force more draft value by matching.

I disagree. At that point West Coast can match and keep Allen, which is how RFA works. Unless he threatens to sit out indefinitely or do a weekly sh*t on the coach's desk or something. But Allen doesn't seem like that sort of player.

 

[Tom14]

I mean sure, if they finish last. I guess I am expecting them to improve next year.

I’d be stunned if they got out of the bottom 3. They’ve added some mature depth I guess?

 

[blueiris]

Why are we trading Starz ? He's clearly our best shutdown medium defender

 

[rye]

Why are we trading Starz ? He's clearly our best shutdown medium defender

 

[briztoon]

Why are we trading Starz ? He's clearly our best shutdown medium defender

“We’re not”. But he is a free agent next year, so we’re having a hypothetical discussion about possible scenarios “if” Starcevich does want to head back to WA.

 

[rye]

I'd think that pick 2 could be appealing to them as FA compo.

theyd be nuts to match.

the reason to match is if you think you can force better compo out of the receiving club than what the formula would generate - something we are very unlikely to have.

the terms we'd offer allan would make it stupid to force him to stay on those same terms if he wanted out.

 

[Maverick]

Why are we trading Starz ? He's clearly our best shutdown medium defender

We are not trading him.

The concern is that he is a free agent next year (as was Rayner).

He has not put pen to paper yet, so a bit concerning he could exercise free agency. I will be very concerned if he hasn’t signed before R1.

The Lions will be trying very hard to retain him.

 

[BuntonRules]

Don't think he'll retire in 2026 after we complete the three-pete though.

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[Dalions]

We are not trading him.

The concern is that he is a free agent next year (as was Rayner).

He has not put pen to paper yet, so a bit concerning he could exercise free agency. I will be very concerned if he hasn’t signed before R1.

The Lions will be trying very hard to retain him.

Long way to go yet

 

[Perrip]

He has not put pen to paper yet, so a bit concerning he could exercise free agency. I will be very concerned if he hasn’t signed before R1.

The Lions will be trying very hard to retain him.

Him not re-signing yet isn't surprising.

In terms of the crop of players who are, or were, OOC next year it's: Chief, Rayner, Starc, Ah Chee/Cobra

 

[blueiris]

We are not trading him.

The concern is that he is a free agent next year (as was Rayner).

He has not put pen to paper yet, so a bit concerning he could exercise free agency. I will be very concerned if he hasn’t signed before R1.

The Lions will be trying very hard to retain him.

WHY is that concerning give him time there's no reason to rush him you must have almost had a panic attack on Clug and Berry whom didn't sign until mid-season

 

[Dalions]

Him not re-signing yet isn't surprising.

In terms of the crop of players who are, or were, OOC next year it's: Chief, Rayner, Starc, Ah Chee/Cobra

AhChee has probably earnt himself an extra coupla hundred K if his Finals form continues.

 

[Tom14]

Why are we trading Starz ? He's clearly our best shutdown medium defender

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

I disagree. At that point West Coast can match and keep Allen, which is how RFA works. Unless he threatens to sit out indefinitely or do a weekly sh*t on the coach's desk or something. But Allen doesn't seem like that sort of player.

My understanding of Restricted Free Agency is even if a club matches the contract, the player doesn’t have to sign the contract with the original club.

Matching simply removes the Free Agency mechanism, they can still seek a trade or head to the draft as an uncontracted player.

 

[Tom14]

My understanding of Restricted Free Agency is even if a club matches the contract, the player doesn’t have to sign the contract with the original club.

Matching simply removes the Free Agency mechanism, they can still seek a trade or head to the draft as an uncontracted player.

Correct.

Allen is almost certainly going to re-sign at West Coast. But if he doesn’t he’s much more obtainable compared to players we’d have to give up trade assets for.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

My understanding of Restricted Free Agency is even if a club matches the contract, the player doesn’t have to sign the contract with the original club.

Matching simply removes the Free Agency mechanism, they can still seek a trade or head to the draft as an uncontracted player.

And I'm saying Allen won't head to the draft, he won't do West Coast dirty as their captain.