List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[DreadBat5701894]

Looking forward to seeing what P. Ass brings to the table

 

[Hollow Knight]

My post has nothing to do with the players; it’s about our numbers of our list and how many will have to depart (not necessarily of those drafted tonight) come seasons end; hence my comment that I suspect the club knows some contracted players will likely leave. How does my post elicit your response when all I’m doing is asking a logical question.

Again; just to spell it out clearly for you a it has nothing to do with the players selected and if you’re in any doubt about that, you’ll see I raised this a couple of times in this very thread pre this MSD.

Now that you've given me the faintest hint of an argument to respond to, I will.

1. You either fail to grasp the pretty rudimentary concept that the pre-season draft is essentially a low-stakes opportunity for clubs with long term injuries to add some depth and take a punt on some untried players.

2. Or your entire argument is that the pre-season draft is inherently pointless, and you decided the perfect time to make that known was a couple of minutes after we had just completed our selections and people finally had some new recruits to discuss... And then you act dismayed why people find you to be an exhausting and joyless bummer? We live in a goddamn society.

 

[M Malice]

So annoying, my local club has lost plenty of talent to VFL/SANFL and we never complain, we’re happy to let them grow as they see fit.

If the players wanted to stay in local league they wouldn’t have nominated

Yep, the whining about losing players from the lower levels in nonsensical, what do they want... to ban the players from trying to progress up the levels. LOL!

 

[McIvor]

Maybe but they get a chance to show something.
Some MSD players do well but most don't.
Having an early pick gives the club a better chance to get a player. Time will tell.
I like we took two young guys and one mature age player Beecken being a 23-year-old

Individually their highlights all look exceptional particularly the first two and of course you all want them to succeed.

Blows my mind that people can’t see that there’s an issue numbers wise come end of the season, which is all I’ve ever pointed out given the extra numbers will come from contracted players or Berry leaving, but whatever. Who’d have thought asking a rational question would generate such hostility.

 

[glengowan]

Doesn’t really fit an urgent need. Wonder if he could play wing

Beecken would be suited to the wing or running half back. The latter his usual position. A ball carrier and attacking goal kicking half back at SANFL level. Has stepped his game up another level the last 12 months and looks a leader out on the field with the Eagles. At his best when he takes the game on. Should be ready straight away and do well if he gets a chance.

 

[McIvor]

So your entire argument is that the pre-season draft is inherently pointless, and you decided the perfect time to make that known was a couple of minutes after we had just completed our selections and people finally had some players to discuss?

And then you act dismayed why people find you to be an exhausting and joyless bummer?

Who said it’s pointless? I didn’t. I’m surprised we took three players but that’s beside the point.

I can’t help that it’s upset people that simply asked a rational question.

How does that stop anyone discussing these players or are saying people can only comprehend discussing one topic at any given time on here? There’s barely been any posts discussing these players which has absolutely nothing to do with my posts so go discuss them.

This is a bloody list management thread, so why wouldn’t the issue I raised be logical or is there a timing thing you’re concerned with?

 

[M Malice]

Individually their highlights all look exceptional particularly the first two and of course you all want them to succeed.

Blows my mind that people can’t see that there’s an issue numbers wise come end of the season, which is all I’ve ever pointed out given the extra numbers will come from contracted players or Berry leaving, but whatever. Who’d have thought asking a rational question would generate such hostility.

IMO James Madden, Carter Michael, Jaxon Prior, Kalin Lane are at serious risk of being delisted... Jarryd Lyons, Dayne Zorko may retire.

Odds are very long that all 3 we took tonight will still be on the list in 2025, it would be a massive bonus if even one showed enough to earn another contract.

We will be fine to bring in Levi Ashcroft, Sam Marshall and a couple more in the National Draft.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

So annoying, my local club has lost plenty of talent to VFL/SANFL and we never complain, we’re happy to let them grow as they see fit.

If the players wanted to stay in local league they wouldn’t have nominated

I think it more the fact that if you lose a player in the national/rookie/pre-season draft you're able to recruit and plan for the following season. Losing them partway through the year means you're only really able to recruit from within. I can empathise.

 

[Section 5]

From Central Rookie Me

Will McLachlan (Geelong Falcons)
Forward | 185cm | 13/04/2005

2024 averages: 6 games | 12.0 disposals, 5.0 marks, 4.3 goals (26 total)

One of the most spoken about mid-season prospects, McLachlan leads the Coates Talent League goalkicking charts. He carried momentum from a strong end to 2023, posting four bags of five or more goals in six games for the Falcons. At 185cm, he is quick off the mark and capable of taking big grabs, while proving clinical in front of the big sticks on his preferred left foot.

Luke Beecken (Woodville-West Torrens)
Defender | 184cm | 18/04/2001

2024 averages: 7 games | 22.7 disposals, 5.4 marks, 4.3 rebound 50s

Beecken has long been on the draft radar having attended multiple state combines in South Australia, but is yet to get his chance. The hard-running rebound defender represented his state this year and has been a consistent performer for Woodville-West Torrens – accumulating between 20 and 30 disposals in each game aside from a Round 1 outlier.

Darcy Craven

An excellent game from the 18-year-old ball winner, he is another one of those genuine accumulators, though in this game seemed his influential best, leading his side for tackles and inside 50’s. Having to play on the back foot a bit as Claremont won the bulk of the free hits, Craven’s tackling pressure stood up and his positioning and footy IQ were on show as he kept his side in this game whenever it looked to get away from them. Still showcasing clean hands and absolute composure despite the wet conditions.

 

[briztoon]

McLachlan nominated an 18 month contract.

Beecken and Craven 6 month contracts.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Individually their highlights all look exceptional particularly the first two and of course you all ant them to succeed.

Blows my mind that people can’t see that there’s an issue numbers wise come end of the season, which is all I’ve ever pointed out given the extra numbers will come from contracted players or Berry leaving, but whatever. Who’d have thought asking a rational question would generate such hostility.

Every single club who takes MSD picks is in the same situation. And it's no different to elevating rookies for long-term-injuries in the past... at the end of the year you looked at the amount of players in your squad, then determined who fills the quota of senior list spots, who went back to the rookie list, and who got delisted/traded.

You are pointing out a basic football admistration task that has existed for decades and making out like its some "issue" we've just thrust upon ourselves.

Would you rather have more options to choose from to fill our list at the end of the year, or less?

If you want the TLDR version: Just like any other player that finds our way on to our list, if any of these three MSD recruits prove themselves to have more value than another player on our list, then they take their spot. Simple.

If you want the analogy version: If someone gave you three $1 scratch cards, you're probably not going to be doing cartwheels or expecting miracles, but you'd probably give them a scratch before throwing them in the bin.

 

[martinson]

From Central Rookie Me

Will McLachlan (Geelong Falcons)
Forward | 185cm | 13/04/2005

2024 averages: 6 games | 12.0 disposals, 5.0 marks, 4.3 goals (26 total)

One of the most spoken about mid-season prospects, McLachlan leads the Coates Talent League goalkicking charts. He carried momentum from a strong end to 2023, posting four bags of five or more goals in six games for the Falcons. At 185cm, he is quick off the mark and capable of taking big grabs, while proving clinical in front of the big sticks on his preferred left foot.

Luke Beecken (Woodville-West Torrens)
Defender | 184cm | 18/04/2001

2024 averages: 7 games | 22.7 disposals, 5.4 marks, 4.3 rebound 50s

Beecken has long been on the draft radar having attended multiple state combines in South Australia, but is yet to get his chance. The hard-running rebound defender represented his state this year and has been a consistent performer for Woodville-West Torrens – accumulating between 20 and 30 disposals in each game aside from a Round 1 outlier.

Darcy Craven

An excellent game from the 18-year-old ball winner, he is another one of those genuine accumulators, though in this game seemed his influential best, leading his side for tackles and inside 50’s. Having to play on the back foot a bit as Claremont won the bulk of the free hits, Craven’s tackling pressure stood up and his positioning and footy IQ were on show as he kept his side in this game whenever it looked to get away from them. Still showcasing clean hands and absolute composure despite the wet conditions.

I love the sound of these guys and it's obvious we've probably picked up 3 guns .

Could this reset our season ?

Why not.

 

[Kwickhatch]

I agree! Except Craven who I'd never heard of, but on the basis of the first two picks, I trust Ambrogio. And on the basis of Starcevich, Tunstill, Zakostelsky and Torrent I trust our WA scout.


Peel Thunder, Freo's reserves team.

Does any know if it's still John Foster? I used to work with him in traffic control and he used to give me all the merch the lions would send him.

*Edited to add:
He actually wasn't a big fan of starch

 

[M Malice]

McLachlan nominated an 18 month contract.

Beecken and Craven 6 month contracts.

Wow, didn't know that, our recruiters must rate him highly, great for the kid.

 

[McIvor]

IMO James Madden, Carter Michael, Jaxon Prior, Kalin Lane are at serious risk of being delisted... Jarryd Lyons, Dayne Zorko may retire.

Odds are very long that all 3 we took tonight will still be on the list in 2025, it would be a massive bonus if even one showed enough to earn another contract.

We will be fine to bring in Levi Ashcroft, Sam Marshall and maybe a couple more in the National Draft.

Finally; thanks Jason.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Zorko goes on given his form this year, but as you know, older players can fall off a cliff.

Michael is still such hard one given he just can’t get on the park but if he can get right, I’m still bullish on him. Lane is the same, seems to be hitting decent form and say we do delist him, would we need another ruck on the list?

I agree that I think Lyons (retired), Madden, Joyce and Prior (delisted) are all but gone. They all help with Ashcroft, Marshall and say another draft pick, but I can’t help but think there’s going to be another couple of contracted players we don’t know about that will request a trade and perhaps the club knows already. I reckon the likes of Lester, Brain and Reville surely get kept on.

Highlights alone, McLachlan and Beecken look really good prospects but it’ll be interesting come seasons end how the list shakes out because prior t tonight I thought it’d be pretty minimal changes with regards to list. Clearly not.

 

[martinson]

The best thing about this MSD is that it's exciting for these 3 young men who haven't been given the opportunity so far to get a crack at it.

So good luck to all of them.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Blows my mind that people can’t see that there’s an issue numbers wise come end of the season, which is all I’ve ever pointed out given the extra numbers will come from contracted players or Berry leaving, but whatever. Who’d have thought asking a rational question would generate such hostility.

I think it's partially the fact it's so blatantly obvious that has annoyed people. Also, drafts are generally a positive experience and you're bringing people down with another negative post in what seems a neverending stream of negativity.

 

[martinson]

Finally; thanks Jason.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Zorko goes on given his form this year, but as you know, older players can fall off a cliff.

Michael is still such hard one given he just can’t get on the park but if he can get right, I’m still bullish on him. Lane is the same, seems to be hitting decent form and say we do delist him, would we need another ruck on the list?

I agree that I think Lyons (retired), Madden, Joyce and Prior (delisted) are all but gone. They all help with Ashcroft, Marshall and say another draft pick, but I can’t help but think there’s going to be another couple of contracted players we don’t know about that will request a trade and perhaps the club knows already. I reckon the likes of Lester, Brain and Reville surely get kept on.

Highlights alone, McLachlan and Beecken look really good prospects but it’ll be interesting come seasons end how the list shakes out because prior t tonight I thought it’d be pretty minimal changes with regards to list. Clearly not.

I think when Zorks hits 40 he might think about calling it a day McIvor.

He can then Captain Coach the reserves.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Finally; thanks Jason.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Zorko goes on given his form this year, but as you know, older players can fall off a cliff.

Michael is still such hard one given he just can’t get on the park but if he can get right, I’m still bullish on him. Lane is the same, seems to be hitting decent form and say we do delist him, would we need another ruck on the list?

I agree that I think Lyons (retired), Madden, Joyce and Prior (delisted) are all but gone. They all help with Ashcroft, Marshall and say another draft pick, but I can’t help but think there’s going to be another couple of contracted players we don’t know about that will request a trade and perhaps the club knows already. I reckon the likes of Lester, Brain and Reville surely get kept on.

Highlights alone, McLachlan and Beecken look really good prospects but it’ll be interesting come seasons end how the list shakes out because prior t tonight I thought it’d be pretty minimal changes with regards to list. Clearly not.

Don’t want to spread rumours but unless our core midfield stay together, Robertson will more likely go to WC than stay, which would be a shame given his talent and abilities.

Probably would get rid of Lane also, if someone like Moyle from GC comes to the club (via trade).

 

[M Malice]

Finally; thanks Jason.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Zorko goes on given his form this year, but as you know, older players can fall off a cliff.

Michael is still such hard one given he just can’t get on the park but if he can get right, I’m still bullish on him. Lane is the same, seems to be hitting decent form and say we do delist him, would we need another ruck on the list?

I agree that I think Lyons (retired), Madden, Joyce and Prior (delisted) are all but gone. They all help with Ashcroft, Marshall and say another draft pick, but I can’t help but think there’s going to be another couple of contracted players we don’t know about that will request a trade and perhaps the club knows already. I reckon the likes of Lester, Brain and Reville surely get kept on.

Highlights alone, McLachlan and Beecken look really good prospects but it’ll be interesting come seasons end how the list shakes out because prior t tonight I thought it’d be pretty minimal changes with regards to list. Clearly not.

McLachlin will be on the list next year which I didn't know(briztoon pointed out he nominated an 18 month deal).

I would not be surprised if we kept Kalin Lane on as I agree he looks to have improved over the last month or so in the VFL, Darcy Fort also seems to have been passed by Henry Smith.

 

[briztoon]

Where the hell was Steve Conole when interviewed?

The wall behind looked like it was full of spit balls and been severely dented by having whatever thrown at it.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Where the hell was Steve Conole when interviewed?

The wall behind looked like it was full of spit balls and been severely dented by having whatever thrown at it.

It was the same room in which Clarkson was informed a couple of hours ago that he was under investigation again.

 

[AFLQLD]

It seems like Craven can tackle. I always thought it would be nice to have players who are good at that.

 

[martinson]

I love the fact that we've got another 3 guys on our list and in this very frustrating season it adds a level of interest if we can't get to the finals.

 

[Hollow Knight]

It seems like Craven can tackle. I always thought it would be nice to have players who are good at that.

So the VFL coaches have some work to do. If McLachlan wants to get a game in the seniors he will have to work on being less accurate in front of goal, and Craven will have to learn how to stop fully committing to tackles.

Commit to the game plan or get out!