List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[Soapy V]

He would have been heavily front loaded wouldn't he? Our list was poor at the time, we had to find avenues to spend on to reach our minimum player payments. I am assuming his contract was likely part of it.

An AFL club with a weak list is a bit like a business with a tax problem. You have to find something to spend money on.

Not worth that money, but when your list is young and low quality, you need to overspend on players to one, get them there and two, meet the minimum player payments.

Worse thing you can do list management wise is up the payments to current players to meet minimum player contracts. Far better to overspend on incoming recruits. Uppin payments of young players to meet the MPP is how teams blow their cap up down the track.

We seem to have space to spend so we must be alright. Adding a few long contracts will likely open up our cap a little.

Our biggest issue is trade currency. Having the players and the picks available to us to get what we want.

Very good reasoned post. Nice to see and read

 

[Soapy V]

I’m looking forward to 2025 and winning the premiership. I can have that optimism before the season starts. I hope the trade and draft period is gold, gold, gold.

Yep. Fingers crossed

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Acres is on 350K, but apparently our small forwards are on more

Yeah Williams is on 800-900k

 

[DangerousD]

I think Austin will end up swapping our F1 for Brisbane’s 1st rounder, after they trade it to Richmond for points.

He will then trade pick 11 to Port for Houston.

We will then try to pick swap our way ahead of a bid for Ben.

 

[Arr0w]

He didn't regress, he was injured ... it wasn't effort or intensity, it was his body. He has shown once his body has started to improve that he is intense enough and has a good work ethic. To question his application is just rubbish. This was never the case.

No question on his desire, commitment or mental toughness. Also has a great level of aggression. A steal for where we picked him up

 

[Blue_Fusion]

In all seriousness, Acres on 350k makes sense given Freo reportedly low balled him with a 180k offer!

When we signed him, not he or us would have known that he'd be the player he has become for us... if he keeps it going, his next contract I'd imagine will be worth more $

EDIT: There you go, thanks Soapy V he's already earned himself more as I suspected...

 

[Korn]

Can we play all of Harry, Charlie, Kemp and Moir in the same fwd line?

We will see all 4 of them going for the same mark, spoiling each other, loses the ball, opposition team
rebounds, coast to coast goal.

 

[Arr0w]

Yeah Williams is on 800-900k

I thought that was already established, but apparently 6 other small forwards are sharing 3.1 mil

 

[Blue_Fusion]

He would have been heavily front loaded wouldn't he? Our list was poor at the time, we had to find avenues to spend on to reach our minimum player payments. I am assuming his contract was likely part of it.

An AFL club with a weak list is a bit like a business with a tax problem. You have to find something to spend money on.

Not worth that money, but when your list is young and low quality, you need to overspend on players to one, get them there and two, meet the minimum player payments.

Worse thing you can do list management wise is up the payments to current players to meet minimum player contracts. Far better to overspend on incoming recruits. Uppin payments of young players to meet the MPP is how teams blow their cap up down the track.

We seem to have space to spend so we must be alright. Adding a few long contracts will likely open up our cap a little.

Our biggest issue is trade currency. Having the players and the picks available to us to get what we want.

Good post. The bolded stood out... can't help but laugh... who's our president? Wasn't he the CEO of a company that is being investigated for a tax scandal

 

[Arr0w]

So Acres had a pay increase from 350K to 500K, but our small forwards are on more?

 

[DangerousD]

What’s the source of this screenshot?

Also, Zac was a free agent, meaning his deal, along with what we offered him was submitted to the AFL and then shown to GWS for them to match or pass.

 

[Accidental genius]

I haven’t lost hope but I’m at the stage I want to see the club walk the talk …I wanna see positive results in the right direction.

These include…

Wise list management strategy

A good fitness/strength program

Basic skills …handballing kicking marking and effective tackling

A good game plan that does NOT include long kicks down the side line and long bombs into f50

I would be happy with incremental steps and I am even prepared to wait 1-2 more years before winning a flag

I don’t want to see clubs (like hawks for example) waltz past us on the Bladder with only a few years down low on the ladder

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I thought that was already established, but apparently 6 other small forwards are sharing 3.1 mil

Any reason you won't let go of that 4 mill figure?

Maybe you just like arguing for the sake of it... not once did I say or agree they are collectively on 4 mill including Williams...

 

[Arr0w]

Any reason you won't let go of that 4 mill figure?

Maybe you just like arguing for the sake of it... not once did I say or agree they are collectively on 4 mill including Williams...

The 4 mil was stated earlier, nor did I say you mentioned the figure.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

The 4 mil was stated earlier, nor did I say you mentioned the figure.

Well you keep mentioning it each time you quote me in relation to it...

If you know I don't subscribe to that, why keep bringing it up with me? Strange.

 

[Arr0w]

I think we need to improve our speed and agility all over the park, better durability, better footskills and less flaky types

Good start with the delistings, flaky types and or non AFL standard being moved on

I'd like more mongrel too

 

[Arr0w]

Well you keep mentioning it each time you quote me in relation to it...

If you know I don't subscribe to that, why keep bringing it up with me? Strange.

So you agree our small forwards beyond Williams aren't on 500 K a year

 

[Michael Jezz]

I think we need to improve our speed and agility all over the park, better durability, better footskills and less flaky types

Good start with the delistings, flaky types and or non AFL standard being moved on

I'd like more mongrel too

Do you want Houston if it costs us a first rounder?
Would you prefer pick 11 and another pick in the top 25 + Campos?
Would we be better not selecting the campos and using the picks?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

So you agree our small forwards beyond Williams aren't on 500 K a year

I've already given my thoughts on what I think each of them are on give or take and no, 500k not once mentioned for any of them:

Who knows...

iinm, players in their third year usually get an increase from their salary as a draftee.

We find Durdin and Motlop in that situation.

Fanta I suspect would be below AFL average of 400k... which is why 350 could make sense.

Fogarty signed an extension this year too, again if it's not 350k can't imagine it being much lower.

Owies should be on close to 350k, if he's on less than that then I can't see the fuss with the club in re-signing him?

The other mentioned was Cottrell... given he was brought straight back in off a lengthy spell with no form, he's a player that Voss values highly... plus he signed on for 3 years this year so chances are he's on at least 350k.

Draftees from pick 21-50 range are coming in on 110k + 4k per senior game they play.

 

[Arr0w]

Do you want Houston if it costs us a first rounder?
Would you prefer pick 11 and another pick in the top 25 + Campos?
Would we be better not selecting the campos and using the picks?

If we get Houston for a future late ish 1st in total value, I wouldn't blink

Campo boys will be good role players, not as good as the Daicos boys, better than the Brown boys

I think we will have a pick in the 1st round this year

 

[Arr0w]

I've already given my thoughts on what I think each of them are on give or take and no, 500k not once mentioned for any of them:

Again, never stated it was you, that valued them at 500K

 

[Accidental genius]

What a waste of iCloud storage space

 

[Arr0w]

What a waste of iCloud storage space

Absolutely agree, this ongoing agenda about our small forwards is bizarre

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Again, never stated it was you, that valued them at 500K

Who said they were on 500K? I’m just chiming in now so can’t be bothered going through pages

 

[heatleystandend]

People arguing about nothing page after page makes BF so interesting. ( does it make me look more intelligent if I put an emoji like a 4 year old at the end)