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[ToxicMegaPunts]

I haven't seen anything mentioned on here about it and could come into play regarding North trading their F1 for picks is LDU being a RFA in 2025. If he was to accept an offer from another club next year then their compensation would only be a 2nd Round pick if they have traded out their F1st this year. So if he does go to another club you would be entitled to a Band 1 compensation, but it could end up being pick 30 or so. I'm sure Rawlings would have to consider this as something that could happen.

You would have to be some special sort of f*ckwit to think this is how free agency compensation actually works. By the method you outlined, a top team who was about to lose a gun player to free agency that would receive band 1 compo could trade with the bottom team for the #1 pick, and then get pick #2 as compensation. Yeah, it don't work like that.

 

[buttox]

See I think this is were we disagree.

At 7 we are going to land someone we want.

Similar at 8 or we turn it into multiple players of the tier 2 calibre.

It’s evident you guys want another pick in the first round. But you have very limited options.

I think we both agree that Your F1 is likely a top 6 pick next year. It doesn’t seem good value to part with that for pick 14+ in this draft. As Twomey said last week, F1s just aren’t as valuable when being traded into this years draft.

But our future first for those same picks in the Vicinity of p14 is much better value for you then burning yours. Ours could be p5 or p12 next year. (Then you add on the academy picks and father sons and you end up getting a poorer talent)

So really, the whip hand isn’t going to lie with you blokes and it seems very unlikely you are holding p2 (**** imagine if you did and took Tauru anyway ) because you want more of this years first round quality and you can move into the draft and grab the bloke rising in similar fashion to Bont or Oliver late on or the most consistent tall in the class.

If this draft class had Reid and Sheezel as the top 2 picks. You would be getting a bounty and every clubs next father sons. But the way this draft is shaping up - it’s that even that clubs won’t bend to your demands.

I don't mind the 8 +f1 trade but I'd try and get 47 out of you guys also.
Slightly improve our second pick.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Having real trouble splitting the top 5 or 6. All have various different attributes that stand out and we could use.

Jagga - Stoppage craft, ball winner, elite decisions & footy IQ, endurance (6:27 2km), agile in traffic, professional, one-paced?, scoreboard impact? 180cm slight frame?

FOS - class, elite speed (2.99s 20m), endurance (6:28 2km), agility (8.12s), RVJ (93cm), defensive pressure, kicks goals, 20m Cunners-like handballs/vision, competitor, agile, good overhead, Accumulation? 180cm frame?

Lalor - Powerful, explosive, competitive, physical, tackling, strong mark, kicks goals, Endurance? Kicking efficiency?

Draper - Speed, professional/driven, competitive, leadership, agility, metres gained, tackling, damage? 180cm frame?

Langford - 190cm versatile (hbf/mid/fwd), consistent performer, courageous, competitor, gut runner (6:24 2km), relisient (worked harder when he didn't make u16's Vic C team), One-paced? Kicking efficiency?

Smilie - 194cm mid/fwd, clean hands, scoreboard impact, top 10 SV Jump, 6:38 2km, 3.09s 20m, kicking efficiency (woeful in champs)?, defensive and general intensity in the contest?

 

[kool kangas]

Now we know..2 spots available thanks to Stevo leaving and Brady has said our futures are on the table so lets see what our F1st offers up and keep pick#2

 

[stavro#4]

I don't mind the 8 +f1 trade but I'd try and get 47 out of you guys also.
Slightly improve our second pick.

We need it for potential Academy and FS selection inside the top 40 picks.

 

[MagicDaw]

Now we know..2 spots available thanks to Stevo leaving and Brady has said our futures are on the table so lets see what our F1st offers up and keep pick#2

Isn't it 3 and a rookie spot?

 

[My Left Foote]

I haven't seen anything mentioned on here about it and could come into play regarding North trading their F1 for picks is LDU being a RFA in 2025. If he was to accept an offer from another club next year then their compensation would only be a 2nd Round pick if they have traded out their F1st this year. So if he does go to another club you would be entitled to a Band 1 compensation, but it could end up being pick 30 or so. I'm sure Rawlings would have to consider this as something that could happen.

No we tend to know what we’re talking about in these parts.

 

[The Dingrel]

I don't believe we are "demanding" anything though......All Brady has said is "We will look at sliding back a couple of spots".
Personally, I think our midfield isn't set yet, so FOS or Lalor both are very appealing to me. Not a chance we would take Tauru at 2, I think we like him for a teens pick, hence the dangling of F1.

Let's also remember what Twomey's job is.......that is to talk up the draft, generate clicks and get people interested in his phantom etc etc.
I like Twomey, but I'm not basing who I like on who he does......be like taking Shifter Sheahan's thoughts on every player as gospel......"Gee I like this boy, he's a steal at pick 56, a lot of similarities to Nat Fyfe!"

I'm not saying none of the proposed deals won't happen, but there is so much to play out here, I just don't see how North's under the pressure you suggest.

For all we know there is already an "in-principal" deal in place and it's all being stage managed by the AFL. It's cool though to talk and read about.

a/ Cal is normally pretty spot on with his phantom draft.....genuine inside word? clubs using him as a go between? or an example of mosaic theory in action.
b/ I think you may be right, with delistings, and I suspect Cooper got a reprieve via Sleevo's retirement. Not much discussion re DFA's so it would seem an agreement of sorts has already been reached if making room on the list.

 

[Smoocher]

I don't believe we are "demanding" anything though......All Brady has said is "We will look at sliding back a couple of spots".
Personally, I think our midfield isn't set yet, so FOS or Lalor both are very appealing to me. Not a chance we would take Tauru at 2, I think we like him for a teens pick, hence the dangling of F1.

Let's also remember what Twomey's job is.......that is to talk up the draft, generate clicks and get people interested in his phantom etc etc.
I like Twomey, but I'm not basing who I like on who he does......be like taking Shifter Sheahan's thoughts on every player as gospel......"Gee I like this boy, he's a steal at pick 56, a lot of similarities to Nat Fyfe!"

I'm not saying none of the proposed deals won't happen, but there is so much to play out here, I just don't see how North's under the pressure you suggest.

For all we know there is already an "in-principal" deal in place and it's all being stage managed by the AFL. It's cool though to talk and read about.

Nothing surer than North taking FOS or Lalor at 2 if we don't split the pick.

This would set up our midfield for years to come.

Tiger supporters are delusional if they think we will pick the Viking at 2 and therefore allowing an extra quality mid to be available at 6.






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[Smoocher]

I haven't seen anything mentioned on here about it and could come into play regarding North trading their F1 for picks is LDU being a RFA in 2025. If he was to accept an offer from another club next year then their compensation would only be a 2nd Round pick if they have traded out their F1st this year. So if he does go to another club you would be entitled to a Band 1 compensation, but it could end up being pick 30 or so. I'm sure Rawlings would have to consider this as something that could happen.

Lol. You really know SFA about how compensation for Free Agency works.

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[LB2Snake]

a/ Cal is normally pretty spot on with his phantom draft.....genuine inside word? clubs using him as a go between? or an example of mosaic theory in action.
b/ I think you may be right, with delistings, and I suspect Cooper got a reprieve via Sleevo's retirement. Not much discussion re DFA's so it would seem an agreement of sorts has already been reached if making room on the list.

He ends up spot on the day or so before. Not 3 weeks out generally. Things change a lot between now and end November.

Reckon something has been agreed to for sure. I’m suss anyway.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

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Langford at 20 seems like a Fyfe type lotto win.

 

[archereleven]

Gotta love these Aints/Tuggers supporters coming in here talking like they know all the outcomes and value of our 'worthless' pick 2.

I will lmfao if we pick the best player in the draft while they quibble over a couple of shitty picks outside the 'elite' zone...

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[DuckYeah]

Whilst it’s a loaded draft, it’s really hard to get the value of other years for you blokes trading pick 2.

Not sure about that. I think its incredibly average.

 

[stavro#4]

Not sure about that. I think its incredibly average.

Fair enough mate.

Probably in the minority with that one. It doesn’t have a Harley Reid. But it’s stacked with talent.

Reason why clubs wants as many top end picks as possible in this one.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Fair enough mate.

Probably in the minority with that one. It doesn’t have a Harley Reid. But it’s stacked with talent.

Reason why clubs wants as many top end picks as possible in this one.

It's got lots of different types, but hardly stacked. Problem is for Teams such as yours, not so much us as a) We do need/want these other types b) We not getting old and still yet to make finals at a high/any level and c) well you know C well enough, I don't need to repeat it.

 

[Footywizard]

Nothing surer than North taking FOS or Lalor at 2 if we don't split the pick.

This would set up our midfield for years to come.

Tiger supporters are delusional if they think we will pick the Viking at 2 and therefore allowing an extra quality mid to be available at 6.






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100% agree
Although I think our midfield in/out is pretty much set
LDU Wardlaw Sheezle Powell Mckercher Simpkin Scott Stephens Parker

Curtis zurhaar can all have stints if need be (Duursma going forward)

There’s always room for 1 more elite person. FOS or LALOR would slot in nice.

Ideally we get tairu and another tall (Shanahan)…….any mids we need from now on should be ready made from other clubs.

 

[kool kangas]

Isn't it 3 and a rookie spot?

l was mainly thinking of the picks for our pick we split and wasnt including #62 or rookie picks as we need to get picks higher up in the draft. l just cant see us splitting our pick and still try and use #62 and rookie pick. It would mean others have to go..

 

[NMFC TID]

Use the future picks to get a key fwd. take Lalor at 2 if he’s there and sit him next to Luke Parker

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for the next 3 years and you’ll have a pretty special player I feel

 

[My Left Foote]

a/ Cal is normally pretty spot on with his phantom draft.....genuine inside word? clubs using him as a go between? or an example of mosaic theory in action.
b/ I think you may be right, with delistings, and I suspect Cooper got a reprieve via Sleevo's retirement. Not much discussion re DFA's so it would seem an agreement of sorts has already been reached if making room on the list.

Cal pretty much nails his Phantom Drafts, he's in a perfect position being an AFL employee and also the main draft reporter putting him in direct communication with all the clubs and their recruiting & list managers. If 17 other clubs say Richmond are going to take Lalor with 1 you can pretty much guarantee they will. As an AFL employee he also gets information fed directly to him in regards to mooted pick swaps etc. He definitely knows his stuff but he's no Nostradamus (pun intended) when it comes to predicting the AFL draft.

 

[Souup]

I reckon 2 for 6, 18 and 20 gets done.

 

[Sphynx]

I reckon 2 for 6, 18 and 20 gets done.

Wouldn't be unhappy at all with that.

The +2 net position outweighs position in this draft vs only 11.

You are getting Armstrong/Tauru and likely an option of 2 of J.Whitlock/Trainor/M.Whitlock/Shanahan/Hannaford from that position if we are are lucky.

 

[Kangalongtime]

I am firmly in the keep pick 2 camp
And if we want to get back in using future 1 it has to be a top 10 pick or keep it and try use f2 to get back in top 30
I see Melbourne as most likely partner at 9
They dont have a r1 next year already so ours would appeal and they have a history of aggressive pick trading
Would also make sense for Richmond, despite the delusion most or there supporters show around the value of their picks

 

[Souup]

Wouldn't be unhappy at all with that.

The +2 net position outweighs position in this draft.

Yep would take it. Particularly if one of those later picks nets us a small forward.

There may be something else going Richmond's way but if 6 + 11 doesn't happen, then it'll be 6, 18 and 20.