Review 2024 National Draft Thread Part Deux - Welcome FOS, M.Whitlock, L.Urquhart & River Stevens

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End of the day, attempting to top up with Taranto and Hopper failed spectacularly so they were left with no choice but to cash in on anything with a pulse.
I know you need to sell a message to players but I never understood those choices, you pull 3 cups and hit the end of your run, the smart play is to start a soft rebuilt around a good core - they chose to gamble on two players that had never been able to take their club to the pointy end. Gambled a potential short rebuild on an extreme long shot for mine.
 
If it works mate. Plenty of super drafts have come and gone and left teams with nothing of value at the end of it. They've gambled a hell of a lot on this one draft, it doesn't take too many misses to end up wallowing for years. They were shit this year and have traded just about every competent player on the list. Could end up in a big, big hole like we did.
It's not comparable to us at all. We delisted our old players, they traded their players that were worth something. They had a swag of first round picks in the first draft of their rebuild.
 
Heat of the moment. Reckon there'll be a fair bit of salt dealt out in hindsight once we see who exactly the Tigers net with our pick next year.
Personally, over the next few years when we’re going deep into finals I couldn’t give a shit who Richmond pick up with our first rounder in 2025.

Most of our 14 first/early second rounders will be at 80+ games, we’ll be attracting top end FA talent that will make other clubs hate us even more and Harry Sheezel will be the best player in the game.
 

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Personally, over the next few years when we’re going deep into finals I couldn’t give a shit who Richmond pick up with our first rounder in 2025.

Most of our 14 first/early second rounders will be at 80+ games, we’ll be attracting top end FA talent that will make other clubs hate us even more and Harry Sheezel will be the best player in the game.

Agreed, I was talking about supporters of other clubs seething at missing out on our pick that we offered to everybody come the 2025 draft.
 
I'm still intrigued why we might've passed on Lalor had it flipped around.

Wrapt we got our #1 option anyway though. Similar to Cadman/Sheezel outcome.

We rated Jagga, Draper and Tauru higher.

1. FOS
2. Jagga/Draper
3. Jagga/Draper
4. Tauru
5. Lalor/Langford/Smillie
 
That's intriguing. Tauru especially.

Is there a doubt we couldn't shake on Lalor?

I'm not sure exactly what north thought, but talking to others, I think a lot of clubs had concerns about Lalor's body/resilience noting he has already had a stack of soft tissue and low back/hip injuries. Also queries as to whether he becomes a genuine mid at AFL level or more a Cam Rayner impact player across half forward.
 
We rated Jagga, Draper and Tauru higher.

1. FOS
2. Jagga/Draper
3. Jagga/Draper
4. Tauru
5. Lalor/Langford/Smillie

There must have been a little daylight between Draper/Smith and then Tauru given we didn’t deal with Adelaide.

Or we’re we just focused on Finn once we knew he’d be available?
 
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I'm still intrigued why we might've passed on Lalor had it flipped around.

Wrapt we got our #1 option anyway though. Similar to Cadman/Sheezel outcome.
I’m not just saying it because we didn’t draft him, but during the year it was always a bit speculative where he would fit in the top ten and FOS was always around that no.1 - 2.

But when he isn’t bursting out of a pack? Is he quick over distances? I mean he isn’t Reid or JHF type number one material is he?
Can he run out games well/have an endurance side? Otherwise it would part of the meatgrinder problem we’ve got
 
I still feel Lalor is a poor man’s Rayner. Lots of soft tissue injuries aswell and bad ones.

FOS I had concerns about aswell. True of most of the top of the board.
 
I'm still intrigued why we might've passed on Lalor had it flipped around.

Wrapt we got our #1 option anyway though. Similar to Cadman/Sheezel outcome.

I’d be interested to know, outside the top 4 as every team will say they got “their man, how other teams rated them. Maybe Richmond were the outlier.
 

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I’d be interested to know, outside the top 4 as every team will say they got “their man, how other teams rated them. Maybe Richmond were the outlier.
Love to know as well.

On Lalor, I have a feeling that he wasn't number 1 on a lot of boards.

I'm far from an expert, I would have taken Draper over him though. His body shape and tank concern me.
 
It's not comparable to us at all. We delisted our old players, they traded their players that were worth something. They had a swag of first round picks in the first draft of their rebuild.
I'm not comparing to us though. Just pointing out that 8 picks at the pointy end of the draft doesn't guarantee anything. GWS / GC are enough evidence of that. Just because everyone says it's a great draft doesn't mean it will be seen that way in 5 years.

nah Lalor is a jet
I'm concerned we rated both jagga and draper ahead of him

keen to see how their careers pan out

Bookmark worthy if only for curiosity to see how things pan out.
 
Next year is crucial for them. They desperately need us to be shit to get 2 picks at the pointy end like we did with Sheezel/Wardlaw & McKercher/Duursma.

End of the day, attempting to top up with Taranto and Hopper failed spectacularly so they were left with no choice but to cash in on anything with a pulse.
And some of those senior players they’ve still got have had injury issues like lynch/ Prestia ect.
They’ll need the older guys to protect the younguns
 
Hindsight is an interesting thing. We will see with North if the Matlock trade was disasterous.

Thaty being said both Taranto and Hopper are good players. They arent stars. They arent game changers. Theyre average mids who got 7 year contracts worth nearly a mil a season. They cost 3 firsts and a second. Part of the reason the Tigers did what they did was because of dratically misreading those players and their list.

Hopefully Matlock was the right read and if not only costs us a F1.

I'm also sceptical on moving on alot of talent in one age bracket for a good reason.
 
Hindsight is an interesting thing. We will see with North if the Matlock trade was disasterous.

Thaty being said both Taranto and Hopper are good players. They arent stars. They arent game changers. Theyre average mids who got 7 year contracts worth nearly a mil a season. They cost 3 firsts and a second. Part of the reason the Tigers did what they did was because of dratically misreading those players and their list.

Hopefully Matlock was the right read and if not only costs us a F1.

I'm also sceptical on moving on alot of talent in one age bracket for a good reason.
Yep.

High risk, high reward. But you don't need too many misses for it to go bad and cutting a heap of senior talent - good, average or otherwise, can expose soft underbelly. You could take 8 picks into the greatest draft ever and still be unlucky enough to barely get a 50 gamer.
 
And some of those senior players they’ve still got have had injury issues like lynch/ Prestia ect.
They’ll need the older guys to protect the younguns
I was a little surprised they took so many kids in the end. I thought they would have traded a few picks into next year and looked to fill those last spots with some SPP players, to protect the younger draftees as you say.
 
Hindsight is an interesting thing. We will see with North if the Matlock trade was disasterous.

Thaty being said both Taranto and Hopper are good players. They arent stars. They arent game changers. Theyre average mids who got 7 year contracts worth nearly a mil a season. They cost 3 firsts and a second. Part of the reason the Tigers did what they did was because of dratically misreading those players and their list.

Hopefully Matlock was the right read and if not only costs us a F1.

I'm also sceptical on moving on alot of talent in one age bracket for a good reason.
Agree with your post. But adding my 2 cents ...

The worst thing for Taranto was not getting traded to Richmond, it was getting traded along with Hopper.
He now gets lumped in with Hopper by all and sundry. Comically unfair.
Taranto is a very good footballer. Not a great kick, but a very good footballer nevertheless.

And yes, you can be a very good footballer and not be a great kick ... no matter how many times posters use the term sh*truck. I'm not so convinced about Hopper though, having watched him closely due to Supercoach this season.
 
Love to know as well.

On Lalor, I have a feeling that he wasn't number 1 on a lot of boards.

I'm far from an expert, I would have taken Draper over him though. His body shape and tank concern me.
Agreed and if given the choice, I think Draper would have been a better character fit for our team ahead of Lalor.
 
I thought you'd need a pick in each round after if you trade out a F1.
Yes its a bit confusing, usually you trade a future first or second and third but this year you could trade out future firsts and second or what ever, it was allowed by the AFL headquarters, probably because next year you can if you want trade out 2 future firsts you can so lots of leeway given this year.
 
well no one can say we didn't have a crack
draft was too even and nobody wanted to trade out of it.
hats off to the team for exhausting every avenue
Yes 100%, yet people were blasting Brady and Will for not trying or having no idea when in fact I did say pick 8 is where we should really go hard and then let it ride and see what pick we can get with Harry Armstrong, Matt Whitlock still on the table and that's exactly how it played out but no one wanted to trade out, club had certain players and didn't want to take the chance. Can tell you if we really like a player in next years draft, clubs will this time come calling if we offer something really good, depends if that player is a first round pick or second round pick , we have two future firsts to dangle for someone in the draft or even free agency, we have options.
 
Yes 100%, yet people were blasting Brady and Will for not trying or having no idea when in fact I did say pick 8 is where we should really go hard and then let it ride and see what pick we can get with Harry Armstrong, Matt Whitlock still on the table and that's exactly how it played out but no one wanted to trade out, club had certain players and didn't want to take the chance. Can tell you if we really like a player in next years draft, clubs will this time come calling if we offer something really good, depends if that player is a first round pick or second round pick , we have two future firsts to dangle for someone in the draft or even free agency, we have options.

Was keen on drafting Armstrong. But now they have Matt Whitlock i rekon he has more upside. Taller and maybe more athletic.
 
Yes 100%, yet people were blasting Brady and Will for not trying or having no idea when in fact I did say pick 8 is where we should really go hard and then let it ride and see what pick we can get with Harry Armstrong, Matt Whitlock still on the table and that's exactly how it played out but no one wanted to trade out, club had certain players and didn't want to take the chance. Can tell you if we really like a player in next years draft, clubs will this time come calling if we offer something really good, depends if that player is a first round pick or second round pick , we have two future firsts to dangle for someone in the draft or even free agency, we have options.
Don’t we have 2 future firsts to offer 26/27 plus also 2 second rounders next year? Ours and tigers? If a club with academy link ect looking to trade down surely we can use some of that capital to push back into top 5-10?
 

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