Preview 2024 National Draft Preview Thread

[LB2Snake]

Defeats the purpose of what we want to do which is have multiple top 10 picks in this draft.

I'm not a fan of 7+F1 for 2. I 100% would be pissed if we were giving you anything else for that deal.

But, if we had a buyer for your F1 lined up, who knows........but you'd think our F1 was worth more than yours to a buyer.

Tick tock.... tick tock ....

 

[DesertRoo]

I bet you would.

No club is doing that type of trade in this years draft.


If he has the same career as Rooey your really not going to give a flying **** about kicking efficiency.

As I said, very clear why a number of clubs in the backend of the top 10 are excited about him.

The Viking looks like a great prospect. I think this draft will be like the '04 one, one or two teams are going to look like geniuses, everyone is going to laugh at others for taking x over y like they magically knew.

 

[shinboner magic]

Thats what I was going to propose.

NM out: 2 & 2025 1st (possibly top 5).
NM in: 7, 8 & SK 2025 1st (possibly top 10).

Sold

Piss off tuggers and I hope you draft the new tamblings

 

[stavro#4]

I'm not a fan of 7+F1 for 2. I 100% would be pissed if we were giving you anything else for that deal.

But, if we had a buyer for your F1 lined up, who knows........but you'd think our F1 was worth more than yours to a buyer.

Tick tock.... tick tock ....

I think you and other north fans are missing the point as to why your club would consider that deal.

No club is trading out of the top 10 or multiple top 10 picks for your pick 2 - evidenced by multiple media sources in the last 24 hours saying Richmond won’t trade 6 to you. Melbourne won’t trade 5+9 and my club won’t do both as we are on record saying we are taking 2 top 10 picks to the draft.

Richmond may move 10 or 11 - but it appears unlikely they will trade out for a F1 when they can get the same outcome with 18/20.

Eagles won’t. Port won’t. Freo won’t according to Twomey today.

That means the next pick available is 15 at the giants. They probably would.

For your point of view, would you trade your future first which could be top 5 or ours which is likely top 12 for that pick 15?

That’s the value in the proposed slide. You retain your future first to use next year how you deem fit in trade or draft.

 

[stavro#4]

The Viking looks like a great prospect. I think this draft will be like the '04 one, one or two teams are going to look like geniuses, everyone is going to laugh at others for taking x over y like they magically knew.

I’d argue and say this draft may not have multiple headline superstars.

But many clubs will get players that they can build around as a core piece to the puzzle and are good AFL level footballers.

Grabbing those stars is very rare.

 

[LB2Snake]

Thats what I was going to propose.

NM out: 2 & 2025 1st (possibly top 5).
NM in: 7, 8 & SK 2025 1st (possibly top 10).

This is the sort of deal, if you reverse engineer all the Saint and Tigers supporters, think we should be taking if was the other way round....but of course they will say it's not enough, because, ah, their club isn't ripping the face off the other club. Saints could trade our F1 for pick 13+ on the night, or keep for next year. 2 and 5 for 7+8 and 10/12.

But cue the "Nah not in this draft!!!".....I just think of Shifter Sheahan.

The AA squad gunna be stacked in future years with the mythical class of 2024

 

[DocSholl]

Sicily could have been a failed forward and moved on too if they didn't need to repurpose him with Roughead and Gunston in that side.

He has the customary bag against us too that all failed forwards have.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

He has the customary bag against us too that all failed forwards have.

*checks Footywire for Jacob Koschitzke stats

 

[justroyal]

What need is that?

A faster good ball user that is Sheezel like with a weighted kick.

Mainly said it because it was an ADL supporter trying to suggest to us what we need who would be dying to get Draper in.

 

[BrownPaperBag]

I think you and other north fans are missing the point as to why your club would consider that deal.

No club is trading out of the top 10 or multiple top 10 picks for your pick 2 - evidenced by multiple media sources in the last 24 hours saying Richmond won’t trade 6 to you. Melbourne won’t trade 5+9 and my club won’t do both as we are on record saying we are taking 2 top 10 picks to the draft.

Richmond may move 10 or 11 - but it appears unlikely they will trade out for a F1 when they can get the same outcome with 18/20.

Eagles won’t. Port won’t. Freo won’t according to Twomey today.

That means the next pick available is 15 at the giants. They probably would.

For your point of view, would you trade your future first which could be top 5 or ours which is likely top 12 for that pick 15?

That’s the value in the proposed slide. You retain your future first to use next year how you deem fit in trade or draft.

Then we take 2 and forget everything. Take the pointy end talent.

The calls of us being desperate to trade it by Ralphy and the tigers pr department is just what they did to frame the market like they did with the Bolton/rioli butler trades. Yeah 2s available but it’s got to be a compelling offer.

This club had I think 3 top 5 picks from 2002 to 2017 I think we should take the best possible talent

 

[LB2Snake]

I think you and other north fans are missing the point as to why your club would consider that deal.

No club is trading out of the top 10 or multiple top 10 picks for your pick 2 - evidenced by multiple media sources in the last 24 hours saying Richmond won’t trade 6 to you. Melbourne won’t trade 5+9 and my club won’t do both as we are on record saying we are taking 2 top 10 picks to the draft.

Richmond may move 10 or 11 - but it appears unlikely they will trade out for a F1 when they can get the same outcome with 18/20.

Eagles won’t. Port won’t. Freo won’t according to Twomey today.

That means the next pick available is 15 at the giants. They probably would.

For your point of view, would you trade your future first which could be top 5 or ours which is likely top 12 for that pick 15?

That’s the value in the proposed slide. You retain your future first to use next year how you deem fit in trade or draft.

I don't think anyone is missing the point.......it's gunna come down to who wants pick 2. This could be in 3 weeks time.
A lot can happen in 3 weeks......Tauru could be pick 1. He's climbed without playing for over a month. Different teams will identify what their needs are as the date gets closer and how they can pull certain deals off, or they won't.

Richmond are so used to receiving reach-arounds from the Suns and Freo that they expected we'd just play ball.

Pick 2 is worth more than 7 and a F1. The way you are talking your F1 isn't even worth pick 18 this year......so why would we do that deal? Just so we can take Tauru, who's probably really around the pick 12-15 mark?

It's the biggest load of garbage that this year is heaps stronger than last year......some absolute jets came out of last year and none of this year would be ahead of Reid or McKercher, for a start, no way, not even close.........I have also read that.

It's all opinion. I hope we take the blue-chip prospect at 2, unless we take an offer we couldn't refuse. Not just take the best offer because of the market demands and we are kinda trapped. That would be a stupid way to operate.

If there was a Walter, Darcy etc in the top 10, we'd be all over it, but there clearly isn't.

 

[justroyal]

I think people need to keep in mind that our forward line isn’t that shit, just like our defence isn’t that shit.

It is currently being let down by awful entries by our poorly mixed midfield.

The media can say all they want about our midfield being stacked, but we all know it’s so flip slop with inconsistent types.

We haven’t see what Curtis, Larkey, Zuurhar, Comben, Duursma and throw in other names when fit - Harvey, George, Payne, Konstanty could do with actual good repeat entry. Even Stephenson didn’t get a good look in.

And guess what. That improvement that damo, Ralph and co isn’t coming for a top 10 pick forward - and we have no idea how we develop that for a solid 2-3 years. Also. Surely whatever those campaigners think is a good idea should be alarm bells for us, right?

So why don’t we just stop ****ing around with these Tauru types and focus on the best ball user and fast mid at that pick and find away to draft in Trainor.

You all saw what Sheezel’s delivery did in 1-2 years of being on the list. Let’s keep adding smart dynamic mids.

 

[Passmore]

I don't think anyone is missing the point.......it's gunna come down to who wants pick 2. This could be in 3 weeks time.
A lot can happen in 3 weeks......Tauru could be pick 1. He's climbed without playing for over a month. Different teams will identify what their needs are as the date gets closer and how they can pull certain deals off, or they won't.

Richmond are so used to receiving reach-arounds from the Suns and Freo that they expected we'd just play ball.

Pick 2 is worth more than 7 and a F1. The way you are talking your F1 isn't even worth pick 18 this year......so why would we do that deal? Just so we can take Tauru, who's probably really around the pick 12-15 mark?

It's the biggest load of garbage that this year is heaps stronger than last year......some absolute jets came out of last year and none of this year would be ahead of Reid or McKercher, for a start, no way, not even close.........I have also read that.

It's all opinion. I hope we take the blue-chip prospect at 2, unless we take an offer we couldn't refuse. Not just take the best offer because of the market demands and we are kinda trapped. That would be a stupid way to operate.

If there was a Walter, Darcy etc in the top 10, we'd be all over it, but there clearly isn't.

Pick 2 and our F1 will be worth a couple of picks in the 30’s in 3 weeks they way the narrative is headed.

You’d love to know what’s being proposed in reality, but if it anything like what’s out here in fantasy land, I’m sure we’ll be taking the second best kid in the pool.

 

[NMFC TID]

I think people need to keep in mind that our forward line isn’t that shit, just like our defence isn’t that shit.

It is currently being let down by awful entries by our poorly mixed midfield.

The media can say all they want about our midfield being stacked, but we all know it’s so flip slop with inconsistent types.

We haven’t see what Curtis, Larkey, Zuurhar, Comben, Duursma and throw in other names when fit - Harvey, George, Payne, Konstanty could do with actual good repeat entry. Even Stephenson didn’t get a good look in.

And guess what. That improvement that damo, Ralph and co isn’t coming for a top 10 pick forward - and we have no idea how we develop that for a solid 2-3 years. Also. Surely whatever those campaigners think is a good idea should be alarm bells for us, right?

So why don’t we just stop ****ing around with these Tauru types and focus on the best ball user and fast mid at that pick and find away to draft in Trainor.

You all saw what Sheezel’s delivery did in 1-2 years of being on the list. Let’s keep adding smart dynamic mids.

Amen. That and a forward system that creates space. So many kick were just sat on top of a stationary forwards heads and so many of our goals seemed to be cheap ones running back into an open fwd line. When the ball hit the deck we had no pressure and the poor backs were under the pump again.

 

[LB2Snake]

I think people need to keep in mind that our forward line isn’t that shit, just like our defence isn’t that shit.

It is currently being let down by awful entries by our poorly mixed midfield.

The media can say all they want about our midfield being stacked, but we all know it’s so flip slop with inconsistent types.

We haven’t see what Curtis, Larkey, Zuurhar, Comben, Duursma and throw in other names when fit - Harvey, George, Payne, Konstanty could do with actual good repeat entry. Even Stephenson didn’t get a good look in.

And guess what. That improvement that damo, Ralph and co isn’t coming for a top 10 pick forward - and we have no idea how we develop that for a solid 2-3 years. Also. Surely whatever those campaigners think is a good idea should be alarm bells for us, right?

So why don’t we just stop ****ing around with these Tauru types and focus on the best ball user and fast mid at that pick and find away to draft in Trainor.

You all saw what Sheezel’s delivery did in 1-2 years of being on the list. Let’s keep adding smart dynamic mids.

It's actually a great point you make re our entries. And obviously with our defensive side re our midfield. All the more reason's for Brady to stroll into Draft night Connor McGregor style.

Richmond can bleat all they like through the media........they ain't getting any combo of Lalor/FOS/Jagga with 1 and 6.
Dealing with us they are locked in assured of it. If not, we take the jet midfielder at 2.

All the picks at 6 have caveats attached to em .....regardless of media rubbish.

Langford - great contested and aerial game, but slow
Smillie - big size, but questionable contested game
Reid - elusive, but not enough hurt factor and size

Then you are heading in Allen and Lindsay territory.......they ain't in the class of Lalor/FOS/Jagga

Richmond could recreate Cotchin and Martin all over again.

Saints should be crawling over broken glass if they had an opportunity to get to 2....FOS could be another Robert Harvey clone.

 

[speedy]

Any good key forward prospect that will be available in the second round?

Maybe trading our f2 and keeping 2 will be the best option?

 

[LB2Snake]

Any good key forward prospect that will be available in the second round?

Maybe trading our f2 and keeping 2 will be the best option?

There's heaps. Apparently. Our F2 should net us around pick 70+, if you asked Ralphy. Tigers have their eye on a bloke at pick *69

*That was for you Zondor

 

[stavro#4]

I don't think anyone is missing the point.......it's gunna come down to who wants pick 2. This could be in 3 weeks time.
A lot can happen in 3 weeks......Tauru could be pick 1. He's climbed without playing for over a month. Different teams will identify what their needs are as the date gets closer and how they can pull certain deals off, or they won't.

Richmond are so used to receiving reach-arounds from the Suns and Freo that they expected we'd just play ball.

Pick 2 is worth more than 7 and a F1. The way you are talking your F1 isn't even worth pick 18 this year......so why would we do that deal? Just so we can take Tauru, who's probably really around the pick 12-15 mark?

It's the biggest load of garbage that this year is heaps stronger than last year......some absolute jets came out of last year and none of this year would be ahead of Reid or McKercher, for a start, no way, not even close.........I have also read that.

It's all opinion. I hope we take the blue-chip prospect at 2, unless we take an offer we couldn't refuse. Not just take the best offer because of the market demands and we are kinda trapped. That would be a stupid way to operate.

If there was a Walter, Darcy etc in the top 10, we'd be all over it, but there clearly isn't.

Mate you might very well take 2. But even Troy Makepeace is saying you love the bloke and will use pick 2 if you have to.

As per the pick swaps. I’ll need to re-listen to it to make sure I heard it correctly.

But Twomey on gettable was saying Richmond knocked you back - so in essence you do want to trade down and you do want a pick around 6/7 for what appears to be Tauru.

The evenness of this draft is why you won’t get hauls from prior years for your pick 2.

Pick 3 got 12&14.

 

[justroyal]

Amen. That and a forward system that creates space. So many kick were just sat on top of a stationary forwards heads and so many of our goals seemed to be cheap ones running back into an open fwd line. When the ball hit the deck we had no pressure and the poor backs were under the pump again.

Exactly. So we’re going to put all our eggs in the basket of another McDonald/Cadman type who we don’t even know if we can actually develop.

While the poor kid will have to climb the escalator to success just to get close to the ball every time Powell, Jy, LDU or McDonald does an uncalculated frantic kick inside 50. Then we will just hear how we missed out a quality mid from that draft and hear how we have to wait and see before judging norths call for another 3-4 years, when we could keep hitting our top midfield hard.

It's actually a great point you make re our entries. And obviously with our defensive side re our midfield. All the more reason's for Brady to stroll into Draft night Connor McGregor style.

Richmond can bleat all they like through the media........they ain't getting any combo of Lalor/FOS/Jagga with 1 and 6.
Dealing with us they are locked in assured of it. If not, we take the jet midfielder at 2.

All the picks at 6 have caveats attached to em .....regardless of media rubbish.

Langford - great contested and aerial game, but slow
Smillie - big size, but questionable contested game
Reid - elusive, but not enough hurt factor and size

Then you are heading in Allen and Lindsay territory.......they ain't in the class of Lalor/FOS/Jagga

Richmond could recreate Cotchin and Martin all over again.

Saints should be crawling over broken glass if they had an opportunity to get to 2....FOS could be another Robert Harvey clone.

I hate to repeat ‘exactly’, but exactly! You watched the games this year, you know exactly what we need. Sheezel, McKercher annd Wardlaw showed us what we need. And honestly, I think we need to keep going with the gws approach, draft all these quality top picked mids when they’ve had the opportunity. And then take a look what options are around for a forwards.

Powell’s decent, but he isn’t showing he can keep making the intensity jumps that this team requires. Will, well is will, and Jy seems to be on the way out of there. So why the **** not let a Draper, Lalor or FOS type develop along side Parker and wardlaw, Sheezel and Kercher?

 

[My Left Foote]

I'm not sure why we'd go around telegraphing our draft order to everyone.

I smell a bluff.

That's much better than smelling a Glenn Luff

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Mate you might very well take 2. But even Troy Makepeace is saying you love the bloke and will use pick 2 if you have to.

As per the pick swaps. I’ll need to re-listen to it to make sure I heard it correctly.

But Twomey on gettable was saying Richmond knocked you back - so in essence you do want to trade down and you do want a pick around 6/7 for what appears to be Tauru.

The evenness of this draft is why you won’t get hauls from prior years for your pick 2.

Pick 3 got 12&14.

And everyone laughed at how terrible that trade was from a West Coast perspective.

 

[stavro#4]

And everyone laughed at how terrible that trade was from a West Coast perspective.

So getting 1 top 10 pick would be better and a future first to grab a pick like 15/16/17etc

Anyway. Let’s just see what happens.

 

[My Left Foote]

Mate you might very well take 2. But even Troy Makepeace is saying you love the bloke and will use pick 2 if you have to.

As per the pick swaps. I’ll need to re-listen to it to make sure I heard it correctly.

But Twomey on gettable was saying Richmond knocked you back - so in essence you do want to trade down and you do want a pick around 6/7 for what appears to be Tauru.

The evenness of this draft is why you won’t get hauls from prior years for your pick 2.

Pick 3 got 12&14.

Troy Makepeace said, "My mail is Tauru won't make it past 5, so if North are keen on him it will have to be 2"
At no point did he say we love him and will use pick 2.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Mate you might very well take 2. But even Troy Makepeace is saying you love the bloke and will use pick 2 if you have to.

As per the pick swaps. I’ll need to re-listen to it to make sure I heard it correctly.

But Twomey on gettable was saying Richmond knocked you back - so in essence you do want to trade down and you do want a pick around 6/7 for what appears to be Tauru.

The evenness of this draft is why you won’t get hauls from prior years for your pick 2.

Pick 3 got 12&14.

I keep my ears to the ground on stuff and I've not heard anything that suggests we have Tauru in our top 2-3. I think the mistake people like Twomey or even our dear Troy make is not realising 1) we have Tauru bang on the nose around 6 or 7 but 2) the thing that makes us do that trade is what others would call the steak knives. We have opened the door to be tempted. We keep 2 and we're going to get the guy top or second on our board. We're after some form of bounty because what really should be the jewel in any trade that happens is the chance to draft the second (or third taking in Ashcroft) player in the draft. Not the Tigers pick 6. Not the Saints pick 8. What astounds me most is in shopping that pick other club supporters think we're desperate. We're just gauging the desperation of others to get their main man.

I hate repeating my own lines but this is a deep draft, not a superdraft. That top 4-5 is still a rung above the rest. The rest evens out more with a standard of "pretty good". I know which rung I'd rather be in while we still have the opportunity.

 

[Sphynx]

Love all the oppos fans desperately tell us what we do and don't need to do because we are (which mostly satisfies them).

Last I looked, we are the ones with the 4-5 elite young mid prospects. An AA FF, a borderline AA Ruck and a bloke at CHB that looks every bit an AA in the making.

And we have a bundle of R1 picks in the reserves hitting their second pre-season.

I'm sure we'd like some things, but we aren't desperate for anything.

We'd need the deal to be in our favour, otherwise we just take best available.

What a shame, adding the second best kid in the land to an already ridiculously high end batch of young midfilders.