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NFL 2024 NFL - Week 17

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THURSDAY, DECEMBER 26 @ 5:00 AM
Kansas City at Pittsburgh LIVE

THURSDAY, DECEMBER 26 @ 8:30 AM
Baltimore at Houston LIVE

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 27 @ 12:15 PM
Seattle at Chicago LIVE

SUNDAY, DECEMBER 29 @ 5:00 AM
Los Angeles Chargers at New England

SUNDAY, DECEMBER 29 @ 8:30 AM
Denver at Cincinnati LIVE

SUNDAY, DECEMBER 29 @ 12:00 PM
Arizona at Los Angeles Rams LIVE

MONDAY, DECEMBER 30 @ 5:00 AM
Carolina at Tampa Bay LIVE
Dallas at Philadelphia LIVE
Indianapolis at New York Giants
Las Vegas at New Orleans
New York Jets at Buffalo LIVE
Tennessee at Jacksonville

MONDAY, DECEMBER 23 @ 8:05 AM
Miami at Cleveland LIVE

MONDAY, DECEMBER 23 @ 8:25 AM
Green Bay at Minnesota LIVE

MONDAY, DECEMBER 23 @ 12:20 PM
Atlanta at Washington LIVE

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 24 @ 12:15 PM
Detroit at San Francisco LIVE

AUSTRALIAN T.V. GAMES
LIVE ON NETFLIX AT 5.00 AM ON 26/12: Kansas City at Pittsburgh
LIVE ON NETFLIX AT 8.30 AM ON 26/12: Baltimore at Houston

LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12:15 PM ON 27/12: Seattle at Chicago
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 8.30 AM ON 29/12: Denver at Cincinnati
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12.00 PM ON 29/12: Arizona at Los Angeles Rams
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 5.00 AM ON 30/12: Dallas at Philadelphia
LIVE ON ESPN2/KAYO AT 5.00 AM ON 30/12: New York Jets at Buffalo
LIVE ON 7MATE AT 5.00 AM ON 30/12: Carolina at Tampa Bay

LIVE ON 7MATE AT 8.05 AM ON 30/12: Miami at Cleveland
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 8.25 AM ON 30/12: Green Bay at Minnesota
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12.20 PM ON 30/12: Atlanta at Washington
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12.15 PM ON 31/12: Detroit at San Francisco


LIVE ON watchESPN AT 5:00 AM on 30/12: NFL RedZone

All Games live on TAB app


NB: VIC, NSW, TAS times
less 30 mins SA
less 1 hour QLD
less 1.5 hours NT
less 3 hours WA
 
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He was dreadful, but that’s really dreadful.

Some bad play calls, but nothing too egregious. He just sucked.

Eg

Oh and he capped off the second interception with a personal foul penalty on the defender that made the pick (Benford).
So add a minus 15 yards

 

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One spanking of the hapless Browns is definitely needed.

I hope you enjoy trading the first pick for some other equally as useless magic beans.
The spread for the game is like -18 points or something, 😂 don't think I've seen one that big for a while in a divisional matchup.
 
Maybe it's just cause I like left handed QBs but geez Penix throws a good ball, tight spiral, lots of zip. Hasn't put up any great numbers in his first two games but hasn't done much wrong either, calm in the pocket, you can absolutely see the talent and him becoming a quality NFL QB.
 
Or how about a professional defense do their job?

If you are unable to prevent the opponent from taking the ball and jamming it down your throat

You lose

This isn’t college
This isn’t high school

Do your damn job

Personally I think it was egregious they allow you to get ball back after fg

But I will allow we are now a participation trophy world, so no going back to how it always was until offended teams started crying losing to a fg “isn’t fair”
I don't mind the FG one now, especially when you can get such free yardage from a kick-off now.

But yeah, if you can't stop a TD drive, then you don't deserve the ball back.
 
Or how about a professional defense do their job?

If you are unable to prevent the opponent from taking the ball and jamming it down your throat

You lose

This isn’t college
This isn’t high school

Do your damn job

Personally I think it was egregious they allow you to get ball back after fg

But I will allow we are now a participation trophy world, so no going back to how it always was until offended teams started crying losing to a fg “isn’t fair”

Can’t believe so many people are against the OT rules. If my team didn’t get the ball and can’t defend one possession without a touchdown getting scored then you don’t deserve to win. You had a whole game to beat the other side. Don’t blame it on not getting the ball when the defense wasn’t good enough to make one stop at the end.
 
Can’t believe so many people are against the OT rules. If my team didn’t get the ball and can’t defend one possession without a touchdown getting scored then you don’t deserve to win. You had a whole game to beat the other side. Don’t blame it on not getting the ball when the defense wasn’t good enough to make one stop at the end.
Yeah but there’s a reason each team gets a possession to start a half.

Every team has strength and weknessess, some stronger on O than D and vice versa. Don’t think it’s fair that one team may get to use their advantage.
 
I hope Davante Adams is happy.
The Jets used void years to lower their cap costs in 2024 - but this created dead cap hits in 2025 for at least six players - TE Conklin ($5.9 million), CB D.J. Reed ($4.6 million), Edge Reddick ($4.3 million), DT Kinlaw ($4.4 million), OL Ty Smith ($3.6 million) and OL Schweitzer ($900,000).

Note they traded both Reddick AND Ty Smith in - neither have really added much except the dead cap hits and the lost picks.

El Jetos also get a further $5.9 million cap hit in 2025 from Mike Williams contract, EVEN THOUGH THEY TRADED HIM AWAY ALREADY this season.

AND IT DOESN'T END THERE!

On top of the 29.6 million already smacking them as dead cap in 2025, Jets management need to decide what to do with
Rodgers ($49 million dead cap hit),
C.J. Mosley ($16.4 million),
Davante Adams ($8.4 million) and
Allen Lazard ($6.6 million).

Up to a further $80.4 million cap hit if all 4 go (yes some of it might be deferred to 2026 if one or two are post-June 1 cuts).

Who would keep all 4?

 
Can’t believe so many people are against the OT rules. If my team didn’t get the ball and can’t defend one possession without a touchdown getting scored then you don’t deserve to win. You had a whole game to beat the other side. Don’t blame it on not getting the ball when the defense wasn’t good enough to make one stop at the end.
The rules are geared towards offense these days, it is simply ridiculous to have a game come down to a coin flip - if it were fair/even chance for the D to win by making a stop then teams would elect to defer the ball in OT after winning the coin toss at least some of the time. That never happens, for obvious reasons.
 

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On the OT rules - saying the defense should make a stop is fair enough, except the modern rules are so weighted in favour of offense that it’s now an enormous disadvantage rather than a slight disadvantage for the other team to get the ball first.

And the league know it too, because they’ve been forced to change it for playoffs. So why wouldn’t they change it for regular season games too? That’s potentially cost Atlanta a playoff spot and is a significant sliding door for the NFC with Green Bay possibly in the 7th seed now.

It doesn’t affect me personally either way this season at least, but it’s simply a stupid way of deciding how a pretty important game finishes imo. Plus it’s just unsatisfying as a general fan of the sport.
 
The rules are geared towards offense these days, it is simply ridiculous to have a game come down to a coin flip - if it were fair/even chance for the D to win by making a stop then teams would elect to defer the ball in OT after winning the coin toss at least some of the time. That never happens, for obvious reasons.

Good point - nobody ever defers if they win the toss, showing how egregious the imbalance is.

If both teams get to possess it, then you defer (in what 49ers fans will forever call the Shanahan cluster **** rule after this year’s SB).
 
Tough on Brown getting ejected after being assaulted two-on-one.

And the cowardly offsetting personal fouls don't really discourage anyone from fighting.
Line judge nearly copped a broken leg from the rolling around players...

 
One spanking of the hapless Browns is definitely needed.

I hope you enjoy trading the first pick for some other equally as useless magic beans.
Business as usual for analytical boys
 

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There is absolutely no truth to rumor spread by A11dAtP0w3R and Exe Gesis that this is me that called in yesterday…


Fans like this complain yet they still pay to go to games. Time for the morons in the Browns fanbase to wake up and stop attending.

Gruden singing from my hymn book, DTR is the worst, **** Stefanski for benching Winston right before fantasy playoffs.

Sanders ending up in Cleveland just feels right. Hopefully my boys Berry and DePo do the right thing.
 
I get what you’re saying about about ‘fair’ but professional sport isn’t always fair. It will be fair when every single play can be reviewed and penalties/outcomes can be taken away and added to each play and we’ll take away all human element like officiating (I know that’s a totally different rabbit hole)

But the team isn’t winning on the coin toss. There winning when they get the ball and score a touchdown. There is another team out there to do there job and stop them. Of course each team gets the ball at each half cause there are two halves, it’s a pretty reasonable solution.

So question, if each team gets 2 possessions guaranteed. Would you say the first team is at a disadvantage not knowing they will have 4 downs the whole length of the field compared to the first side that is playing the game ‘normally’. Would it be outrage if the first team scored a TD, then the 2nd team went on a 14 play drive with 4th downs every single set of downs and scored and ending up winning ? Yeah the side who gets ball first has that chance to go on all 4th downs but we know that isn’t going to happen.

Like I said, it’s been a whole game and both sides have probably made mistakes, left points on the field somewhere and after 60minutes going to complain they didn’t win cause they didn’t get the ball is how ‘losers’ talk. I obviously agree who gets the ball is at an advantage but it’s sport, and sometimes luck is a huge part of it and good teams make their own luck. And i personally think the drama of sudden death who scores first is great, nail biting but great.

The meet in the middle with the other team getting the ball after a field goal is a good balance out
 
The meet in the middle with the other team getting the ball after a field goal is a good balance out

No, it really isn't.

What is a good balance out is both teams having the same opportunity to score in what is essentially a new game.

Remember, both teams couldn't beat each other for 4 quarters but now we are saying, you got lucky and won the toss so score a TD and we can all go home.

That team secures a huge advantage based off a coin toss. It's unfair at its core.
 
There is absolutely no truth to rumor spread by A11dAtP0w3R and Exe Gesis that this is me that called in yesterday…


1) ditto what ADP said...fans do have a degree of power to force change. Irate customers, boycotts, or en masse protestations across social media, the media, etc, are needed, otherwise the fans are living a form of Stockholm Syndrome here. I think some Browns fan(s) with a strong voice in the media need to step up first most as that can put pressure on Haslam. Like what McAfee is doing with the Colts. I mean, you seldom hear Haslam being heavily criticized in the football media like other NFL owners are. That needs to change.

2) It's not one guy in a random Aust Football message board who sees the truth and the level of decrepitness. It's a perception seen by all of Cleveland and across the nation. Not saying there's comfort in that, but hearing the exact same diatribe from various random Browns fans shows it's all true. It's not a difference of opinion of the few versus a majority of shills.
 

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