2024 Rolling ALL-Australian Team

[H00t]

Enjoying all the angst and gnashing of teeth over Cam's well deserved selection. I can only put it down to ignorance, there's really no other explanation.

You do realise the person Cam Rayner was being compared to stats wise in the post you were replying to was Jack Ginnivan right?

Someone nowhere near the AA squad and wouldn’t have even been though of as an option yet someone whose had an equal year to Cam and been much more consistent throughout the year.

 

[H00t]

Perhaps watch some games instead of basing an opinion on stats. Rayner is generally to this point a low possession/high impact player. Although during the 9 game streak he was moving up to 25 or so possessions. Give Rayner 25 possessions and carnage will ensue.

He’s done that twice this year. He does some flashy things that makes him a lot more noticeable but he typically does very little most games he plays.

 

[bungalow_bill]

The main surprise is Rayner over Rankine to be honest. Even with Rankine missing 8 games, he was still one of the best forwards in the league this season.

Rayner had the 5th most total coaches votes for any forward this year with the top 4 (JHF who Champion Data are calling a mid-forward, Cameron, Hogan and Moore the others).

I wouldn't pick him in my final team because he still missed 8 games but I think he had a better year than Rayner even with 2/3rds of the games played.

Interesting stat. More votes than Daniher is surprising. Justifies his selection IMO but an argument could be made for Rankine.

 

[Trav 20]

Nick Daicos hasn't made the Champion Data All Australian team.

Cool.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Nick Daicos hasn't made the Champion Data All Australian team.

Cool.

Just shows what champion data is worth

 

[bungalow_bill]

People do realise Daicos aside that Cameron was the only bloke keeping the Pies half competitive this season right? It sure wasn’t Darcy Moore and his non defending. I’m glad he’s been rewarded everyone is losing their marbles on who will be the 3rd ruck in the squad that’s all. Take your pick on Gawn/Xerri as the no1 ruck

Big O underrated as usual.

 

[Trav 20]

Just shows what champion data is worth

Ball use last two thirds of the year.

Ranked around 100, which seems right if you watched closely.

 

[rye]

anybody who thinks weitering deserves a blazer over andrews has rocks in their head honestly. bloke leads a defence that leaks like a sieve because hes too busy clamping washed up players like charlie dixon

22

Charlie Dixon

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.6

5star

D

10.5

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.5

2star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

G

2.5

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

to be bothered peeling off to help the rest of the backline like the elite key defenders do.

 

[Orange crush]

Big O underrated as usual.

He got beaten by Lachie Keeffe a part-timer playing his first game of the year …., farking lol

 

[SSSSSS]

I might be alone in this thinking but I want my ruckman to have less clearances not more.

If my ruckman is clearing the ball it means it's not getting into the hands of my midfield.

Marshall and Xerri are good players but their actual ruck craft is poor.

Gawn all the way.

 

[bungalow_bill]

He got beaten by Lachie Keeffe a part-timer playing his first game of the year …., farking lol

Was a big part of our 9 game streak. Underrated.

 

[hawkman]

I might be alone in this thinking but I want my ruckman to have less clearances not more.

If my ruckman is clearing the ball it means it's not getting into the hands of my midfield.

Marshall and Xerri are good players but their actual ruck craft is poor.

And usually just hacking the ball out of there which could go anywhere

 

[Orange crush]

I might be alone in this thinking but I want my ruckman to have less clearances not more.

If my ruckman is clearing the ball it means it's not getting into the hands of my midfield.

Marshall and Xerri are good players but their actual ruck craft is poor.

Gawn all the way.

This! Marshall and X, probably Briggs as well, are like big bull midfielders rather than rucks

 

[bungalow_bill]

Yeah. Who else had his own club fans on Big Footy tellling him to “f**k off” like the Lions fans did with Rayner after their Round 12 loss to Hawthorn? Their patience with him seemed to have run out by that point.

But then he plays 6 decent games over the next 10 rounds and the AA selectors lose their minds.

Fan not fans. We have one very vocal supporter who never misses an opportunity to have a go at Cam. And at least 6 elite games.

 

[Fadge]

Ball use last two thirds of the year.

Ranked around 100, which seems right if you watched closely.

So is that still around the same 'efficiency' as the likes of Gulden and Bontempelli?

 

[Fadge]

I might be alone in this thinking but I want my ruckman to have less clearances not more.

If my ruckman is clearing the ball it means it's not getting into the hands of my midfield.

Marshall and Xerri are good players but their actual ruck craft is poor.

Gawn all the way.

Underrated post.

One of my pet hates at any level of footy is a ruckman grabbing the ball and trying to hack it forward. It works 1 in 10 times, and is to the detriment of the team the other 9 times.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Rayner, McKay and Moore out

Flanders, Wilkie and Marshall in

Dylan Moore out of the 44 man squad is an interesting take (especially when you have removed 3 forwards and replaced them with none - they pick a certain number per area of the field as they should so it's not 40 midfielders and half back flankers). If you read through this thread, nearly everyone has Moore in the 18, let alone the 44.

The case for Moore:

He is #1 amongst small/non-key forwards for both total coaches votes and games receiving votes
He is #1 amongst all forwards for score involvements (top 5 league wide).
He is #2 in the league for assists (currently the 11th highest season on record, with finals still to play).
He has the most goals (34) + assists (31) of any non key forward in the squad
He is averaging more of the ball than any other forward in the squad (20 disposals).
He has more tackles inside 50 than any other player in the squad.

Jason Akermanis in 2004 is the only other time a player has ever accrued 400+ disposals, 30+ goals and 30+ assists.

I think he deserves his place in the squad this season - do you think there is a half forward (or any small forward) that has been better?

 

[I wanna pash Nash]

Dylan Moore out of the 44 man squad is an interesting take (especially when you have removed 3 forwards and replaced them with none - they pick a certain number per area of the field as they should so it's not 40 midfielders and half back flankers). If you read through this thread, nearly everyone has Moore in the 18, let alone the 44.

The case for Moore:

He is #1 amongst small forwards for both total coaches votes and games receiving votes
He is #1 amongst all forwards for score involvements (top 5 league wide).
He is #2 in the league for assists (currently the 11th highest season on record, with finals still to play).
He has the most goals (34) + assists (31) of any non key forward in the squad
He is averaging more of the ball than any other forward in the squad (20 disposals).
He has more tackles inside 50 than any other player in the squad.

Jason Akermanis in 2004 is the only other time a player has ever accrued 400+ disposals, 30+ goals and 30+ assists.

I think he deserves his place in the squad this season - do you think there is a half forward (or any small forward) that has been better?

Slay

 

[Rash]

my AA Team:

Ryan-Collins-Blakey
Houston-Wiettering-Whitfield
Gulden-Cripps-Merrett
Moore-Hogan-Warner
Stengle-Curnow-Cameron
Gawn-Daicos-Bont
Zorko-Butters-Serong-Neale

 

[Guardian Hawk]

my AA Team:

Ryan-Collins-Blakey
Houston-Wiettering-Whitfield
Gulden-Cripps-Merrett
Moore-Hogan-Warner
Stengle-Curnow-Cameron
Gawn-Daicos-Bont
Zorko-Butters-Serong-Neale

I like that team.

Being a Hawthorn supporter, I obviously like Sicily and thought I'd do a comparison between he and Blakey after seeing Blakey in your team. This is what I found when I compared them:

Coaches votes - Sicily
Disposals - Sicily
Contested - Sicily
Marks - Sicily
Contested marks - Sicily
Intercepts - Sicily
Spoils - Blakey
Metres Gained - Blakey
Score involvements - Sicily

Was interesting. Obviously they play it a little differently with Blakey more a pure rebounder and less defensive and Sicily playing on KPF's (despite being much shorter). This is evident in the data with Blakey losing 40+% of his one on ones (and being involved in very few of them) whilst Sicily loses 18% and is involved in more than double. Despite being much better defensively and Blakey being purely attacking, found it interesting that Sicily still gets more of the ball at higher efficiency, more score involvements, etc.

How do others (without my bias) interpret this? Am I overlooking important considerations?

 

[Mr Meow]

I like that team.

Being a Hawthorn supporter, I obviously like Sicily and thought I'd do a comparison between he and Blakey after seeing Blakey in your team. This is what I found when I compared them:

Coaches votes - Sicily
Disposals - Sicily
Contested - Sicily
Marks - Sicily
Contested marks - Sicily
Intercepts - Sicily
Spoils - Blakey
Metres Gained - Blakey
Score involvements - Sicily

Was interesting. Obviously they play it a little differently with Blakey more a pure rebounder and less defensive and Sicily playing on KPF's (despite being much shorter). This is evident in the data with Blakey losing 40+% of his one on ones (and being involved in very few of them) whilst Sicily loses 18% and is involved in more than double. Despite being much better defensively and Blakey being purely attacking, found it interesting that Sicily still gets more of the ball at higher efficiency, more score involvements, etc.

How do others (without my bias) interpret this? Am I overlooking important considerations?

I'd take Sicily over Blakey for a deeper defender, and for an attacking rebounder I'd take Holmes over Blakey for the back flank.

Players who weren't hyped or as impressive early in the year can struggle to edge back in over ones who were in people's rolling teams round 1-10.

Personally I think Sicily would be a good addition to the 2024 AA side. CHB is surely in play too, leaving full back for Weitering vs Andrews vs Collins.

 

[Rash]

my AA Team:

Ryan-Collins-Blakey
Houston-Wiettering-Whitfield
Gulden-Cripps-Merrett
Moore-Hogan-Heeney
Stengle-Curnow-Cameron
Gawn-Daicos-Bont
Zorko-Butters-Serong-Neale

i forgot heeney, he is in for chad warner.

 

[Orange crush]

Rayner is generally to this point a low possession/high impact player. Although during the 9 game streak he was moving up to 25 or so possessions. Give Rayner 25 possessions and carnage will ensue.

Give him 25 coz he can’t win them himself

 

[Lingsface]

Underrated post.

One of my pet hates at any level of footy is a ruckman grabbing the ball and trying to hack it forward. It works 1 in 10 times, and is to the detriment of the team the other 9 times.

Depending on conditions I think, can work wonders on a wet or windy day.

 

[Lingsface]

Dylan Moore out of the 44 man squad is an interesting take (especially when you have removed 3 forwards and replaced them with none - they pick a certain number per area of the field as they should so it's not 40 midfielders and half back flankers). If you read through this thread, nearly everyone has Moore in the 18, let alone the 44.

The case for Moore:

He is #1 amongst small/non-key forwards for both total coaches votes and games receiving votes
He is #1 amongst all forwards for score involvements (top 5 league wide).
He is #2 in the league for assists (currently the 11th highest season on record, with finals still to play).
He has the most goals (34) + assists (31) of any non key forward in the squad
He is averaging more of the ball than any other forward in the squad (20 disposals).
He has more tackles inside 50 than any other player in the squad.

Jason Akermanis in 2004 is the only other time a player has ever accrued 400+ disposals, 30+ goals and 30+ assists.

I think he deserves his place in the squad this season - do you think there is a half forward (or any small forward) that has been better?

Moore out is not even an option he is in the team no doubt.