USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Biden II

[Gethelred]

Okay, we've had a good run. Some have had a good laugh and others have melted a little, but from this point we're improving the standard of discussion.

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Play nicely from here, please.

 

[GreyCrow]

Awesome idea - let’s give more influence to those that care about money and not people. Bravo

Like Republicans?

 

[Kram]

Does anyone here support trump?

Yep, the dude is totally and utterly hilarious.

 

[pjcrows]

They arent covering it up. Where are you getting this misinformation from? Numerous commentators on MSNBC and CNN and numerous newspapers including the new york times and the boston globe are calling for biden to step down.

Oh you mean they've been talking about it for only the last 5 days?

They've deliberately failed to report his blatant mental decline for the last year, minimum, at the direction of the DNC no doubt.

 

[magpie_marty]

We still have four more years my friend.

Both never achieved,
Update me of how much wonderful wall was achieved
Was it a great wall?
How many miles left to build?
Why are people pouring into the USA with a border wall two weeks from completion,
Trump has claimed this in his rally's for the past 3 years.
Much like trumps attempt at suing people Clinton,Cnn etc.

 

[magpie_marty]

There has been no real change on abortion laws and I'm not sure what it has to do with Trump anyway given he was not in power when RvW was overturned.

In any case, Trump is hardly a bible thumper. He has consistently said abortion laws should be left to the states so RvW is inconsequential anyway.

Seriously?
Abortion got thrown back to the states.
Trump has no stance on weeks etc,
It changes like his health care and infrastructure promises.
2 more weeks,you will see soon big announcement. etc etc

 

[pjcrows]

Democrats gave had opportunities to codify Roe v Wade before. Truth is, they like it as an election issue.

 

[Kram]

Trump is going to win the premiership by 10 goals, or the grand slam title in straight sets bagling his opponent with ease.

Do you have one of those hats yet?

 

[Xtreme]

Do you have one of those hats yet?

No but I have signed Kayleigh pictures on my wall

 

[CrowdedHouse]

Democrats gave had opportunities to codify Roe v Wade before. Truth is, they like it as an election issue.

I always felt that, and with the gun laws with Republicans. An opportunity to fire up their base and raise dollars from.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Democrats gave had opportunities to codify Roe v Wade before. Truth is, they like it as an election issue.

Correct. It’s a non issue legally speaking but the Democrats seem to think it’s a vote winner.

The truth is everyone knows abortion has not been outlawed and nothing is ever going to change in that space. But it does get the tin foil hatters tiled up.

 

[pjcrows]

Correct. It’s a non issue legally speaking but the Democrats seem to think it’s a vote winner.

The truth is everyone knows abortion has not been outlawed and nothing is ever going to change in that space. But it does get the tin foil hatters tiled up.

I think it's certainly a vote winner. It had a big impact in the 2022 mid terms. Hence, why the Democrats don't actually want to solve the issue.

 

[swingdog]

I think it's certainly a vote winner. It had a big impact in the 2022 mid terms. Hence, why the Democrats don't actually want to solve the issue.

Same with Republicans and immigration.

 

[Satan]

No but I have signed Kayleigh pictures on my wall

Are they the nude ones .. sorry thinking of wife no3 of Trump

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

LegalEagle has weighed in on why the Supreme Court's decision is awful.

 

[E Shed]

This piece from The Shot sums up the whole sorry mess for me including how gutless our politicians on both sides have been in their bending over for the US. It eviscerates Dems and GOP alike but clearly points how just how dangerous another Trump Presidency will be with his stacked Supreme Court waving through everything the right wing think tanks have had on the drawing board for many years. They have played a long game in getting control of the highest court and have everything in place to create their Gillead.

Instant Erudition with Jo Dyer Instant Erudition is the Shot’s new fortnightly column: a quick read from Jo Dyer to whet your whistle while you wait for our next feature article With Julian Assange now safely back on Australian soil, let us acknowledge that the fact he was sequestered inside for 4387 days, including 1901 days in solitary confinement in Britain’s highest security prison for the crime of publishing truthful information, is shocking. The United States, the world’s self-proclaimed bastion of free speech, pursued Assange relentlessly from the moment he revealed details of the war crimes they’d committed, of their cavalier attitude to skyrocketing civilian deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their enthusiastic commitment to spying on allies. They wanted revenge and were determined to ensure no one would embarrass them thus again. They marshalled the Espionage Act of 1917, a wartime law designed to punish locals’ traitorous behaviour not journalism by a foreign citizen. While Barack Obama understood the First Amendment implications for news organisations if individuals were charged for publishing rather than leaking classified information and declined to do so, Trump had no such qualms. He authorised the Department of Justice to begin their legal pursuit of Assange after his CIA boss’s assassination plots were kiboshed by cooler heads. The Trump administration said later that Assange’s case was never raised with them by Australian officials – “not once” – as the various Coalition Governments happily abandoned an ailing Assange to his fate. Even once a Democrat was returned to the White House, Assange’s persecution continued. Rumour has it it took so long for Biden’s DOJ to start a discussion with Assange’s lawyers because senior Democrats and particularly Hillary remained apoplectic at Wikileaks’ 2016 leaks of the Democratic National Committee’s and John Podesta’s emails that revealed the ostensibly neutral DNC plotted ways to undermine Bernie Sanders’ primary campaign, just as Sanders’ team had long claimed, and that Hillary had private views on key topics she shared only with those who paid $445,000 to hear them. They blamed Wikileaks and the Russians for the loss of the White House, rather than misogyny, a flawed media and a candidate with baggage. One can understand the Democrats’ fury. Noone wants their unvarnished selves in the spotlight. But these are the masterminds who know that Donald Trump is the greatest threat to American democracy since slavery yet insist a slack-jawed Joe is the translucent bulwark that will save us. Perhaps if there had been more transparency about the true state of Biden’s physical and mental decline prior to last week’s catastrophic debate instead of a futile torrent of leaks thereafter, we wouldn’t have had to sit through those terrifying 90 minutes where Trump’s wild dishonesty was camouflaged by Biden’s senescence, the moniker “Sleepy Joe” finally apposite. When seeking the nomination in 2016, Biden promoted himself as a one-term President – a transitional leader who would restore stability and calm to a traumatised country. Trump’s refusal to accept his defeat and his decision to run again in 2024 consigned America to ongoing tumult. This in turn convinced Biden to hang on. Having defeated Trump once, he is convinced he is the only one who can do it again, instead of recognising that with sufficient time, a strong campaign and a united Democratic party behind them, literally any competent candidate could beat a convicted felon, judicially determined rapist and abject failure of a President like Trump. Given all that has transpired since his last rejection by the American people, Trump would have struggled to attract a single vote more than he secured in 2016 and there are myriad reasons he would lose a swathe. But a palpable lack of enthusiasm if not outright concern at the prospect of four more years of a fading octogenarian has given the politically disinterested a reason to vote Republican despite Trump – despite Trump! – or an excuse to stay home altogether. Biden keeps Trump camouflaged again. And there doesn’t seem a damn thing anyone can or will do about it as a defiant Biden doubles down, promises he’ll get more sleep and successfully demands all viable alternatives fall in behind him. The Democrats are betting the future on a dud hand and long odds. Things became arguably more serious, even sinister, with the US Supreme Court’s latest astonishing ruling. Since the entrenchment of the Conservative majority, the Court has busily attended to restricting access to abortion, liberalising gun laws, restricting voting rights, striking out Government regulatory powers, criminalising homelessness, narrowing statutes to assist January 6 insurrectionists and diminishing the authority of experts and power of government agencies. They have now contorted the court and the Constitution to find the President to be above the law. This majority of six justices, including a predatory oaf, a grifting sexual harasser, an insurrectionist-adjacent venal and an ardently submissive wife has, according to Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s powerful, excoriating dissenting judgment, invented “an atextual, ahistorical, and unjustifiable immunity that puts the President above the law.” The decision is, she writes with Jackson and Kagan’s reliable support, “deeply wrong”, a compromised court creating “a law-free zone around the President” at the very time the US is grappling with a former rogue President who openly disdains the rule of law and muses on executing those who oppose him. With this fanciful new immunity, a President could have authorised his CIA Director to assassinate Assange after all while a horrified world watched on (and the Morrison Government looked away). And it is with this reeling wreck of a country that we have thrown in our military lot. In a book out this week, Nuked: The Submarine Fiasco that Sank Australia’s Sovereignty, Andrew Fowler takes us back through the duplicitous disaster of AUKUS in all its devastating detail: from the opportunity for a new independent geo-political strategy the submarine deal with France offered, to the all-the-way-with-USA China hawks in Defence who immediately worked to undermine it. From the ongoing uncertainty as to when – even if – we’ll ever get nuclear subs from the massively overstretched US construction yards we’re now underwriting to the fact we don’t have the technical capacity to operate them if we do; from the proliferation of ex-US military men who pocketed large amounts of Australian taxpayers’ cash to provide advice on Australia’s best interests to their advice spookily aligning with the interests of their home country and that of the weapons manufacturers on whose Boards they sit. From the transparently political games Morrison played with our national security as he obsequiously cleaved us to the US while hoping to blindside a resurgent Labor with a khaki-tinged campaign, to the craven capitulation of the ALP who embraced AUKUS within 24 hours of its announcement, its privileging of old Anglophonic allies and an anti-China military strategy a price they elected to pay to avoid being wedged in a tight political race, regardless of the ultimate cost to them, to us and the country. Read Nuked and gasp, and then weep…and then hope new Prime Minister Keir can at least provide us with a few happy days of distraction from the cataclysmic state of the American nation. The catastrophic state of the United States - The Shot Instant Erudition with Jo Dyer Instant Erudition is the Shot’s new fortnightly column: a quick read from Jo Dyer to theshot.net.au

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

They arent covering it up. Where are you getting this misinformation from? Numerous commentators on MSNBC and CNN and numerous newspapers including the new york times and the boston globe are calling for biden to step down.

I think they are referring to the willful ignorance of his decline over the past couple of years rather than the current reporting. Many left media outlets have consistently called him sharp and the best version of Biden leading up to the debate.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Can a few of the people/investment groups/big corporations who fund the Democrats and give them 100's of millions of dollars can they say we're holding back our /endorsement pledge/donations until you replace the candidate?

Is that illegal? Any laws around political donations in the US like that?

Biden has millions in financial backing himself.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Like Republicans?

lol. You think money doesn’t control the democrats. How cute!

 

[Seeds]

Can a few of the people/investment groups/big corporations who fund the Democrats and give them 100's of millions of dollars can they say we're holding back our /endorsement pledge/donations until you replace the candidate?

Is that illegal? Any laws around political donations in the US like that?

It sounds like they might be doing that

 

[Seeds]

Oh you mean they've been talking about it for only the last 5 days?

They've deliberately failed to report his blatant mental decline for the last year, minimum, at the direction of the DNC no doubt.

Probably cos they were unaware. Biden has literally been hiding from the media for a year.

 

[Gough]

Is he high right now? Surely he can't expect anyone to believe this.

 

[GreyCrow]

lol. You think money doesn’t control the democrats. How cute!

Oh I do but like most you excuse Republican traits to attack Democrat ones

 

[Gough]

Oh I do but like most you excuse Republican traits to attack Democrat ones

Trump attends Houston lunch to ask oil bosses for more campaign cash

Invitation-only meeting comes on heels of controversial dinner at Mar-a-Lago where Trump reportedly offered $1bn quid pro quo

www.theguardian.com

At least some are discreet about it.

 

[pjcrows]

Probably cos they were unaware. Biden has literally been hiding from the media for a year.

That's interesting. Any of them actually investigate why, or did they just take his word for it?

I mean, a fortnight ago, he was in the best shape of his life, and any commentary to the contrary was met with derision.

 

[pjcrows]

Can a few of the people/investment groups/big corporations who fund the Democrats and give them 100's of millions of dollars can they say we're holding back our /endorsement pledge/donations until you replace the candidate?

Is that illegal? Any laws around political donations in the US like that?

That's how their entire political system functions.