USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Biden II

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[pjcrows]

Is there a creditable source for this? I did see a piece on Fox News saying that Hunter is actually running the country now, but took that with a grain of salt.

I'm not saying Joe's the best man for the job, but to denounce him because he muddled some names is harsh. People are always getting names muddled. How often has my sister called me her daughter's name? How often do parents call their kids by the wrong names? These are not dementia patients. If you want to pick on Joe, find something else to use.

Welcome Harry

 

[faible]

How did Trump use the Presidency for personal gain?
It would have been a hell of a lot easier for him and his family if he never entered politics. He was already a very wealthy man and had nothing left to really prove.
If its purely ego, then yes I agree with you but he never really gained anything of tangible value during his Presidency.

Biden is very much the same. I lost count of the number of times he used the words 'I' and 'me' during his press conference today. He has this unshakeable belief that he alone can save the US and the news today that he has not held a cabinet meeting this year comes as no surprise.

This whole 'Trump had nothing to gain for President and was doing it for the good of the nation' is one of the weirder arguments that gets rolled out.

Yes, Biden is deeply flawed because I think he genuinely believes he alone can save the US of A. Which is obviously egotistical and problematic. But he doesn't actually use the office for direct personal gain, unlike Trump.

Refer to Jamolad's post for a few examples of Trump using the office for direct personal gain. Trump is a lifelong criminal. He should be locked up, not anywhere near public office. Biden is just your run of the mill politician.

 

[Crow54]

Welcome Harry

Who is Harry?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I have no doubt you would always expect your wife to do what was best for you.

Don’t worry, you’ll never have to worry about having a wife.

Okay mate...

 

[KAYNE]

Their only hope is Michelle Obama saving their arse. But that’s seems 0% chance

I am not sure that is a good move by the Democrats. Hilary lost as she was just curtailing Obama. Not sure Michelle would be a good option so late in the run.

I think they're definitely regretting the choice of Kamala as VP (or is it Trump) as if they had a decent VP it would be easier to slot them in now.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

Keep hearing this.

There is still 4 months before the election. In our county and many others, the entire election cycle starts and ends within 4 months.

There is still time for them to make a switch, but it needs to be before the convention. The convention needs to be a flawless and unified showcase of the candidate.

The convention is about a month away, right? I don't think that's long enough time for the Dems to have a consensus on who replaces Biden. They normally have 6 months of primaries and debates etc. I just don't see that unity coming together so quickly.

 

[pjcrows]

The convention is about a month away, right? I don't think that's long enough time for the Dems to have a consensus on who replaces Biden. They normally have 6 months of primaries and debates etc. I just don't see that unity coming together so quickly.

They'd know who it is already.

 

[happy_eagle]

The convention is about a month away, right? I don't think that's long enough time for the Dems to have a consensus on who replaces Biden. They normally have 6 months of primaries and debates etc. I just don't see that unity coming together so quickly.

I think Harris would be the logical choice. I think she can beat Trump (the polls suggest at least she's more of a chance than Biden).

At the very least it will put more focus on Trumps age and health (both physical and mental) which will help the Democrats.

Then pair her with a VP option from a key battleground state/region. Whitmer would be good, but not sure a dual Female ticket is going to be a great idea.

 

[Jamolad]

Who is Harry?

My kids and I sometimes refer to "Harry High-Pants"...is you belt buckle at the bottom of your ribs? If yes then he might mean that?

 

[MPMonkeys]

Just off the top of my head I would list selling pardons; holding official functions at his properties and charging way overs for everything from hire to catering to secret service accommodation; and guess we'll never know how many copies of classified documents he sold (nor to who and at what price). His son in law did alright out of the Saudis too, though I have to admit I have no idea what that large amount of cash was for so willing to listen if you can explain why that was all above board. Obviously there is all the other grifts that came after his presidency...the constant begging for donations, the gold sneakers, NFTs, the Bible's etc...but they were after his presidency so are just transparent money-grabs not related to his tenure?

I know presidents have issued pardons but honestly don't recall any other than Trump actually selling pardons.

That's off top of my head...want me to Google to see what else? Reckon there were lots of suspicious payments from certain countries to businesses of Trump's... payments that were way way overs and in some cases were unexplained as no goods or services were provided to justify those payments. Or can you Google that stuff yourself?

So, in other words - there is nothing conclusive you can point to. You have no dollar figures, no copies of receipts, nothing. Its all just Twitter, Reddit nonsense.

By the way, Trump issued 237 pardons. The 13th lowest of all Presidents and the 4th lowest since World War 1.
Obama issued 1927 pardons.
Roosevelt holds the record at 3687

 

[MPMonkeys]

This whole 'Trump had nothing to gain for President and was doing it for the good of the nation' is one of the weirder arguments that gets rolled out.

Yes, Biden is deeply flawed because I think he genuinely believes he alone can save the US of A. Which is obviously egotistical and problematic. But he doesn't actually use the office for direct personal gain, unlike Trump.

Refer to Jamolad's post for a few examples of Trump using the office for direct personal gain. Trump is a lifelong criminal. He should be locked up, not anywhere near public office. Biden is just your run of the mill politician.

They were not examples. They were just wild guesses mixed in with a good dose of tin foil hattery.

 

[Crow54]

My kids and I sometimes refer to "Harry High-Pants"...is you belt buckle at the bottom of your ribs? If yes then he might mean that?

Who knows? I'm short waisted, and don't wear a belt with my pants, so goodness knows how that applies to me.

 

[Jamolad]

Who knows? I'm short waisted, and don't wear a belt with my pants, so goodness knows how that applies to me.

Well I'm out then. Only other idea I have is if you carry a 44 magnum that would blow someone's head "clean orf" their shoulders, but in all the excitement you don't know whether you fired 6 shots or only 5.

Well, do you, punk?

 

[Jamolad]

So, in other words - there is nothing conclusive you can point to. You have no dollar figures, no copies of receipts, nothing. Its all just Twitter, Reddit nonsense.

By the way, Trump issued 237 pardons. The 13th lowest of all Presidents and the 4th lowest since World War 1.
Obama issued 1927 pardons.
Roosevelt holds the record at 3687

How many pardons did they sell?

 

[faible]

They were not examples. They were just wild guesses mixed in with a good dose of tin foil hattery.

Seems to me you're just not wanting to hear anything bad about the Donald.

 

[faible]

By the way, Trump issued 237 pardons. The 13th lowest of all Presidents and the 4th lowest since World War 1.

It's not just about the number of pardons, it's about who they were to, and why.

 

[Blue1980]

I am not sure that is a good move by the Democrats. Hilary lost as she was just curtailing Obama. Not sure Michelle would be a good option so late in the run.

I think they're definitely regretting the choice of Kamala as VP (or is it Trump) as if they had a decent VP it would be easier to slot them in now.

This is why they are considering it https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/only-michelle-obama-bests-trump-alternative-biden-2024

However I think whoever they run v trump if not Biden will definitely perform better as they will actually be able to campaign.

 

[Blue1980]

The convention is about a month away, right? I don't think that's long enough time for the Dems to have a consensus on who replaces Biden. They normally have 6 months of primaries and debates etc. I just don't see that unity coming together so quickly.

You do it at the convention.

There is no world replacing Biden is worse than keeping Biden, unless they replaced him with Steve Bannon.

 

[Blue1980]

Seems to me you're just not wanting to hear anything bad about the Donald.

Doing the usual Republican hide the pickle trick, claim they don’t support trump, but only ever criticize democrats.

 

[Blue1980]

Seems to me you're just not wanting to hear anything bad about the Donald.

I get the vibe MPMonkeys takes this about as a free kick count in an afl game, maybe even less so.

 

[Maggie5]

Just off the top of my head I would list selling pardons; holding official functions at his properties and charging way overs for everything from hire to catering to secret service accommodation; and guess we'll never know how many copies of classified documents he sold (nor to who and at what price). His son in law did alright out of the Saudis too, though I have to admit I have no idea what that large amount of cash was for so willing to listen if you can explain why that was all above board. Obviously there is all the other grifts that came after his presidency...the constant begging for donations, the gold sneakers, NFTs, the Bible's etc...but they were after his presidency so are just transparent money-grabs not related to his tenure?

I know presidents have issued pardons but honestly don't recall any other than Trump actually selling pardons.

That's off top of my head...want me to Google to see what else? Reckon there were lots of suspicious payments from certain countries to businesses of Trump's... payments that were way way overs and in some cases were unexplained as no goods or services were provided to justify those payments. Or can you Google that stuff yourself?

Plus the 7.8 millions from his hotels. But the best part was when he became President, he increased to fees for his club memberships.

A grifters is gonna grift.

 

[MPMonkeys]

How many pardons did they sell?

None as far as I know but then again I am one of these people who relies on facts and not fairy-tales.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Plus the 7.8 millions from his hotels. But the best part was when he became President, he increased to fees for his club memberships.

A grifters is gonna grift.

News at 11. Price rise during inflation era.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Seems to me you're just not wanting to hear anything bad about the Donald.

Absolutely he has his faults but its getting tiresome reading the same rhetoric that is based on nothing but peoples imagination or something they read on the interwebs.

 

[Maggie5]

News at 11. Price rise during inflation era.

You would be a much better poster if you were more informed on the topic you are posting about.