USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[pjcrows]

It's called racism and sexism.

I reckon heaps of em voted for this bloke...

 

[pjcrows]

Do you want Harris to lose or just predicting she will lose?

They're both bad outcomes in my opinion. Turd burger vs Shit sandwich. We've had this debate ad nauseum in this thread.

 

[Aussie in exile]

I reckon heaps of em voted for this bloke...

The alternatives didn't bare thinking about.

 

[Aussie in exile]

They're both bad outcomes in my opinion. Turd burger vs Shit sandwich. We've had this debate ad nauseum in this thread.

So what is the lesser evil for you?

 

[pjcrows]

So what is the lesser evil for you?

That's genuinely difficult. Ultimately probably the Democrats, because they'll actually concede. But one of the reasons why their current mess exists is because they keep asking people to vote for them because they're 99.5% shit, instead of 100% shit.

I'm of the opinion that the "lesser of two evils" cycle that has been circling the drain for about four decades is a key factor in why Trump has been able to elavate to his current position. Trump/MAGA is a symptom of a bigger problem and was inevitable.

 

[pjcrows]

The alternatives didn't bare thinking about.

So they weren't racist for 8 years but then switched back to being racist again?

 

[Aussie in exile]

So they weren't racist for 8 years but then switched back to being racist again?

That's the US for you.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

I know you said you're not interested in doing a prediction. That was the point of my response - I'm saying if my you think my analysis and predictions are wrong, have a crack at one yourself, rather than acting high and mighty.

If I was saying Harris is on the right track you would've liked it, so let's not pretend you don't know how an electoral college map works.

Or maybe you don't? In which case, yikes.

Oh, the wriggling and evading. It's hilarious.

As you are well aware, I never suggested that your analysis and predictions are wrong. I simply keep pointing out the barracking aspect, and you keep avoiding a response to that.

As to your other straw man assertion, I'll bend over (virtually) and proclaim how wrong I was if you can find any post I've liked simply because it predicts a Harris win.

 

[pjcrows]

Oh, the wriggling and evading. It's hilarious.

As you are well aware, I never suggested that your analysis and predictions are wrong. I simply keep pointing out the barracking aspect, and you keep avoiding a response to that.

As to your other straw man assertion, I'll bend over (virtually) and proclaim how wrong I was if you can find any post I've liked simply because it predicts a Harris win.

Where have I "barracked" that she would lose? I've suggested Harris is headed for a loss, and provided reasons why. It seems difficult for you.

(By "liked", I meant agreed with, not specifically pressed the "like button".)

 

[EagleMan87]

That's genuinely difficult. Ultimately probably the Democrats, because they'll actually concede. But one of the reasons why their current mess exists is because they keep asking people to vote for them because they're 99.5% shit, instead of 100% shit.

I'm of the opinion that the "lesser of two evils" cycle that has been circling the drain for about four decades is a key factor in why Trump has been able to elavate to his current position. Trump/MAGA is a symptom of a bigger problem and was inevitable.

I'm sorry, but if you honestly think the two choices this election are as bad as each other, then you're clueless at best.

 

[pjcrows]

That's the US for you.

So when they vote for a black person they're fine, but when the same people don't vote for a black person they're racist.

That doesn't make any sense.

 

[pjcrows]

I'm sorry, but if you honestly think the two choices this election are as bad as each other, then you're clueless at best.

No need to apologise.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Where have I "barracked" that she would lose? I've suggested Harris is headed for a loss, and provided reasons why. It seems difficult for you.

(By "liked", I meant agreed with, not specifically pressed the "like button".)

I make no secret of my view that a Trump win would be disastrous and therefore I hope he loses. So, yes I hope Harris wins because she's the only one in the race against him. It doesn't mean I play the cheerleader game that many here play, agreeing with every personal prediction of a Harris win.

Not worth arguing further so I'll leave it there.

 

[Aussie in exile]

So when they vote for a black person they're fine, but when the same people don't vote for a black person they're racist.

That doesn't make any sense.

It's you not answering the question properly that doesn't make sense

 

[pjcrows]

It's you not answering the question properly that doesn't make sense

Help me out - you're the one who brought up racism.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Help me out - you're the one who brought up racism.

Oh dear seek help.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

FMD it's tiresome reading one poster telling another poster "I know what you're really thinking".

 

[Crankyhawk]

FMD it's tiresome reading one poster telling another poster "I know what you're really thinking".

particularly as I recall pjcrows specifically saying earlier that he was not wanting a Trump victory, just that this is what the prediction was based on combination of polls and gut feel.

and the earlier question of "do you want harris to lose or do you just predict she will lose" was then a little confusingly answered as "both outcomes are bad" - both outcomes are identical in the question...

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I'm sorry, but if you honestly think the two choices this election are as bad as each other, then you're clueless at best.

There are plenty of hard leftists - just to give one example - piping up from time to time saying exactly that.

They believe America is completely stuffed, and electing a Dem or a Repugnican is just rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic.

I personally wouldn't go that far, but their reasoning is far from "clueless".

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[swingdog]

There are plenty of hard leftists - just to give one example - piping up from time to time saying exactly that.

They believe America is completely stuffed, and electing a Dem or a Repugnican is just rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic.

I personally wouldn't go that far, but their reasoning is far from "clueless".

That's a fair position.

Where it stretches credibility is to want Trump to win because he might "blow it all up", when Project 2025 is pretty much all about systematically consolidating a Christian, capitalist state.

 

[pjcrows]

That's a fair position.

Where it stretches credibility is to want Trump to win because he might "blow it all up", when Project 2025 is pretty much all about systematically consolidating a Christian, capitalist state.

I can understand someone in 2016 voting for Trump to "blow it all up" (as in, a big f*ck you to Washington).

Not now though. I certainly understand the resentment/anger towards the establishment, but championing Trump ain't it.

 

[Cmarsh]

Seems Trump is still favourite on the betting markets, quite comfortably. Not really sure why.

 

[Satan]

Seems Trump is still favourite on the betting markets, quite comfortably. Not really sure why.

Fk betting big on polymarket for trump which is shifting the market

 

[Captivating]

Seems Trump is still favourite on the betting markets, quite comfortably. Not really sure why.

Because the sugar hit the dems got from the change from Biden to Harris is wearing off. Not unexpected. The bump Trump got post assassination attempt also wore off after about a month too.